Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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What is our plan for being stronger than the other S rankers rather than just on their level?
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I think the exponential nature of FOOM ultimately leaves us on the top of the pile if we can accumulate shinies along with it.
Put another way - if we gave Tsunade FOOM, how long do you think it would be before she became dominant? I give it a year at outside.
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Honestly, I doubt it. Tsunade doesn't seem to train much, instead spending all her time at the hospital.
Maybe that can be training for medkno or something, but I'm pretty sure she's past the point where healing schmucks is going to improve her knowledge base much.
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That's fair. I think the point still stands. Hidan? Itachi? If you gave a conflict-focused S-ranker FOOM, I expect that they'd wind up the clear winner in a lot of matchups due to their ability to diversify without hurting their pre-FOOM base rate.
... If we told her the end result was multiple of her, exponentially many, all in the hospital...
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*Low of Solipsism Intensifies*
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FOOM is technically unproven within the MfD world, so we can use the time needed to train a bunch of academy washouts as well as giving our team that time to FOOM. By the time we have in universe results that FOOM can work for the kids our team should be S-rank or better.
We're in the middle of a world war right now, so Asuma cannot afford to have a statistically relevant number of active, strong ninja taking time off to begin a training process that takes months at a minimum to show a worthwhile return on time and effort investment.
Time is on our side while FOOM is unproven. If we wait until we are already approaching S-rank Asuma will just want to "buy" it off of us since the proof is apparent.
As for making sure FOOM doesn't get leaked to people who will not listen to us, we can talk to Asuma about why we, and he, will want to limit access. I'll explain why I trust him:
Leaf shouldn't be viewed as a single object because we, the Goketsu, are one clan among many that, along with the clanless and civilians, make up Leaf.
We do not need to convince every single person in Leaf to help with Uplift, only Asuma because of his position and inclinations. Asuma has already demonstrated a willingness to foster cooperation between all of Leaf's clans when he organized his contribution competition. He also has expressed deep remorse for when circumstances prevented him from actively helping us when Oro became far too interested in us. If he did not care for Hazou personally on some level he would have said something along the lines of: "Tough shit soldier. The needs of the village come before any one clan. Fend for yourself politically if you want to stay a clan head but if you start a physical fight I'll make sure you die."
From a political point of view there has never been a better time for us to mention that we believe we have figured out a way to eventually change the power dynamics in the village in his favor so not only will Leaf be better able to repel foreign aggressors but also prevent actors like Oro from indirectly flouting the spirit of Asuma's orders and wants.
Asuma will not give FOOM to people whom he believes would abuse it because he does not want more people like Oro running around causing him headaches and heartache. He would be incredibly grateful to us because we will be giving him the means to stand like his father did as a personally strong Hokage, something that has to lurk in the back of his mind in the form of self doubts in some form.
Officially, there would be no announcement that we would be giving academy washouts specialized training because the Hokage cannot be seen as favoring one clan over another. In reality, I believe Asuma desperately wants a solution to his comparative ineptitude even if he is not consciously aware of it.
Once Asuma is fully onboard with the FOOM plan we can then gradually introduce our Uplift ideology to him as we practice what we preach. We would be taking the lowliest chakra capable people in Leaf and turning them into soldiers of unparalleled pedigree. By proving the superiority of our ideology with actions and results we can begin truly convincing people that Uplift works better than their previous systems.
Multiple steps:
- Find academy washouts that fit our Uplift-aligned criteria
- Train them so that they build up enough reserves for SC, this might take years
- Petition Asuma for each one individually once that particular student reaches the SC bench mark as confirmed by Noburi checking their chakra capacity.
- Let them FOOM for years so their XP rate can accelerate as they get older so the process hopefully becomes exponential
- Bada bing, bada boom, they're now S-rank, thanks to FOOM
Would you not want Honoka to be S-rank one day? The idea is to basically have hundreds of kids like her FOOMing in the far future to help us spread Uplift.
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No what I'm saying is that the Hokage will never let an academy drop out learn SC
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It's kind of unprecedented for us to know it as chuunin. Usually it's reserved for Jonin only.
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Honoka is 6. She won't be learning SC for 6-10 years. In that time we can just teach her if we want and no one can stop us
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That would be part of the discussion to convince Asuma to let us try. It's never been done before (to our knowledge) and the potential rewards are worth it, especially because if we get academy washouts to the point they can learn SC we've at least increased the number of Leaf's genin. That's still a worthwhile outcome even if in context it's technically a fail state.
What makes you believe she can't learn it sooner?
Why do you want to flout Asuma's authority over who gets to learn SC? I genuinely don't understand why you want Hazou to be so adversarial with Asuma when he's been as cooperative as possible with us considering his position.
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Ok how do you do this?
once again how do you do it faster than they can graduate from the academy?
And because I plan on breaking the power of all the villages when we can.
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First, obligatory reminder that SC Training with Resolve 100 doesn't make anyone an S-ranker -- it'll just give them elite-jounin stats and let them have a shot at finding some S-ranker quality powers.
Second, I'll provide some numbers to make this clearer. The spreadsheets I've been making for the team-members are thankfully really easy to work with:
Academy Washout Resolve Grinding
Unfortunately, it will take 20 years in-character before a washout with mediocre stats and below-average XP-rate (1 XP per day, compare to the rest of the team-bar-Hazou's 2.1) becomes an elite-jounin, even with SC Training under Hazou's optimal direction and with some access to chakra water to make the process more efficient. There's a reason these graduates tend to die. Because they're garbage.
In particular:
- 800 days (2.2 years) until they earn any bonus XP from SC at all
- 6 years until they have a relevant stat above 20
- 8 years until they have a chuunin-level stat (Athletics 50)
- 12.9 years until they have jounin-level defenses (Athletics 70/Alertness 60) and chuunin-level attack (Taijutsu 50)
- 17 years until they have a full jounin-level top-3
- 20.4 years until they have an elite-jounin top-3
FOOM will not turn everyone into S-rankers. Base XP rate matters a lot.
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All we need initially is access to more academy washouts like we did with Honoka. We teach them ourselves and/or have them taught by retired ninja we trust according to Kagome's proven curriculum.
These students would not become ninja without our intervention, so any that prove capable of improvement are a net positive to Leaf's forces. However, we can argue to Asuma we can go further to really make a change on the international stage.
Tutoring and giving them the usual benefits of being in a clan, essentially. We're gonna be picky when it comes to choosing students because they absolutely have to align with Uplift or be open to learning more about it enough that we believe they will believe in it in time. We can have retired or off duty Goketsu ninja give the students pointers and advice that many clanless kids lack which could have been the deciding factor in their former ninja academic careers.
Could you elaborate on this please? Do you want to conquer them, scour them the from the face of the planet, cause social unrest within them so they splinter as international political entities, or something else?
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To start of with I issue a threat that if anyone launches a war our hit squad of 6 essies will go through and kill the Kage who started it.
Then I go and crack open the five, seal all the tailed beast into Hazou, enslave Jashin, make a contract with the dragon, crack open hell or any other significantly powerful entity and declare Hazou god emperor and give all of the elemental nations eternal life
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This seems surprisingly unambitious. There's no mention of a world-spanning polycule anywhere.
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Then I go add the Five to my polycule, add all the Tailed Beasts to my polycule, add Jashin to my polycule, add the Dragons to my polycule, add all the inhabitants of Hell to my polycule, declare Hazou god emperor and add all of the Elemental Nations to my polycule.
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@Dictator4Hire The general disinclination towards sharing FOOM (one that I share) likely has it's roots in a general disbelief in the benevolence of the inhabitants of The EN.
A well founded belief considering the only true believers we know are Team Uplift and even then Hazou and Akane are the bulk of it. The EN is made of monsters mate and many are understandably unenthused at the idea of strapping chainsaws to said monsters.
A well founded belief considering the only true believers we know are Team Uplift and even then Hazou and Akane are the bulk of it. The EN is made of monsters mate and many are understandably unenthused at the idea of strapping chainsaws to said monsters.
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Note that there are, by definition, no chakra-capable Academy washouts. You can wash out in your first two years based on academics/physical conditioning/attitude/etc. Once chakra training starts in third year, you either graduate or you leave in a box.
(Modulo the occasional person who is too massively crippled to continue the training but is not actually dead.)
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Out of curiosity, did Akane ever officially graduate? She fled Leaf/went missing the night before officially graduating, and I got the feel that she was unceremoniously given her headband and got slotted into the armed forces.
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Is Asuma even going to be Hokage by then? Either Naruto will take it or one of us will, imo.
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