Chapter 460: Towards an Uncertain Future

"Hazō." Kei gave a ghost of a smile. "Probability dictates that it must be a good morning somewhere, perhaps in Fang or Claw. If so, please assume we are there for the purpose of phatic greetings."

"It is good to see you," Snowflake said (today identified by the bright green ribbon snaking through her hair).

Both seemed tired. No, not tired but profoundly weary, as if despite having the day having just begun, they were ready to go to bed and roll the dice on whether tomorrow would be any better. Hazō almost felt guilty for making them stay awake to see him.

"I take it Shikamaru briefed you on the Clan Council meeting, then," he said sympathetically.

Kei nodded. "It is reassuring to know that no matter how the rest of the world changes, at least the clan heads of Leaf can still be counted on to act like bickering children whenever significant decisions must be made."

She paused briefly.

"No, the opposite of that."

Hazō laughed.

"Let me guess," he said. "You stayed up late working on logistics for the war, and now you're exhausted and frustrated with the stupidity of the people around you, and struggling to remember why you're trying to save the place to begin with."

Snowflake gave a snerk.

"An astute guess," Kei said, "but no. Merely KEI unpleasantness. Teething issues now that the KEI Master Database is fully armed and operational. To what do we owe the honour of this visit, Hazō?"

"Nothing special. Just…" It wasn't easy to say. Part of Hazō felt like saying such things out loud made them more real, more likely to come true, as if reality would have mercy as long as he pretended hard enough. "Just that we're at war now. Maybe that's not as dangerous as the Dragons breaking free and eating this entire reality, but it's more immediate. I want to spend time together while it's still quiet, before we all get dispatched."

Kei raised an eyebrow.

"To the battlefield, I mean," Hazō clarified.

"I believe you are exaggerating," Kei said. "While, yes, probability dictates that our relationship will soon be terminated by the death of one or all parties—most likely Snowflake and myself, since you are not yet fit for field duty—the risk is not so much higher than usual. We are, after all, shinobi. You recall Yūhi Kurenai's highly-publicised Satsugai Manor mission last month."

Hired to defend a daimyo from an anticipated assassination attempt, the genjutsu expert had single-handedly taken out a squad of elite chūnin through a combination of misdirection, manipulation, negotiation, and ultimately a gruesome bloodbath that left the client a very grateful gibbering wreck. The Hokage had held her up as an example of what all social specs should aspire to, but yes, it also served as a valuable reminder that combat with enemy ninja did not require a declaration of war. The very nature of shinobi missions maintained a status quo of mutual killing, and the resulting hatred between the villages.

"Any mission beyond the humble D-rank carries some risk of death," Kei said, "and as chūnin summoners, we shall surely never see those again. 'Before every mission, say farewell,' as the saying goes. Granted, this war will essentially be an A-rank mission of unknown duration, but as Ami's sister, I am accustomed to watching my loved ones depart on such. At least in a war, we will not be heading into the darkness alone."

Hazō shivered at the cool breeze that briefly blew through the room.

"Talking about our impending doom is a fine and traditional Gōketsu pastime," he said, "but can I suggest another one? I hear good things about boardgames. Under the circumstances, some peaceful escapism would be nice."

"Peaceful escapism? What about Pilgrim's Trail, then?"

A gentle journey down the Fire Country's main pilgrimage route, vying to see who could collect the most souvenirs, paint the most landscapes, and generally accumulate the most pleasant memories? Perfect.

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"Nooo!" Hazō groaned. "Snowflake, why would you take the only village spot? You already had six coins while I'm down to one!"

"What an unfortunate coincidence," Snowflake said, deadpan. "It seems that you must skip several opportunities to arrive at the inn first and have a chance of claiming a cheap meal, or starve while the rest of us luxuriate in our wealth. How do I spend nine coins before the end of the game?"

Hazō looked down at the board, seeking options. His pilgrim meeple looked back in disapproval.

"No, there's still a chance. If I get an encoun—Kei, did you just take the last encounter spot?"

"You encounter a travelling noble," Kei read out the card. "Gain three coins. Why, how convenient. So, Hazō, will you gamble your sole coin on a cheap meal being available at the inn—as long as you hurry—or pray, with slightly higher odds, that there is something affordable at the souvenir shop, or perhaps take the safe option and donate it to the temple for marginal returns?"

On reflection, Hazō should have seen it coming from their last 'peaceful game', which had involved taking turns to save up for and buy gem mines, and featured no player interaction to speak of. With pinpoint precision, Kei and Snowflake had purchased only those mines which other players could afford (or reserved them, which generated wildcard tokens with which to expand their range of targets). There being a limit on gems in hand, Hazō and Noburi had spent most of their turns discarding now-useless gems and drawing new ones, only for the sisters to make those useless next.

"Say," Snowflake asked, "are those inexpensive yet extremely finite dango I smell?"

Hazō sighed. "Changing topics to something that might not drive me to despair, what were you saying about the KEI Master Database?"

"The fruit of many months of tedious labour, finally completed," Kei said. "We now possess a list of every KEI shinobi with the ninjutsu, genjutsu, taijutsu techniques et cetera that they are prepared to teach to others, and the fees charged for same. The core principle is that should one learn such a technique and proceed to teach it to another, one must pay 25% of the money gained to the originator at the top of the chain, to a minimum of 25% of the original fee. Thus, every KEI shinobi receives an incentive to share their personal techniques in exchange for a consistent income stream. When the originator dies, statistically within a few years of beginning to teach, the technique is released into the public domain. For obvious reasons, clan shinobi are excluded from this system, and any sale of techniques to a clan is to be brokered by the KEI to ensure a fair deal. The commission on all of this will help shore up one of the KEI's primary weaknesses, its operating budget.

"It is also a means of preparation for Isan. When the first Isanese arrive, bearing exotic arts and ignorant of the economic realities of the modern world, they will be ripe for exploitation by the clans. The KEI Master Database will secure their income, at rates demonstrably analogous to those enjoyed by KEI shinobi, and incentivise trade in both directions."

"That sounds hard to enforce," Hazō said after a few seconds' thought. "How do you stop people teaching others in secret and not bothering to pay the originator?"

"A risky prospect in the long term," Kei said, "as techniques exist to be used, and thus knowledge of a technique will be revealed as soon as one uses it on a mission with other KEI shinobi. In general, however, I agree that our tools are limited, even with the KEI Intelligence Division. That would, in fact, be the purpose of last night's unpleasantness."

"Oh?"

"At last night's KEI general meeting, it was established that one Fu Kōhei, a ninjutsu specialist genin, has already attempted to cheat the system out of greed. After a brief trial, it was ruled that, as he had abused the agency granted to him by membership of the KEI, that agency would be stripped from him. Thus, he was declared Anathema to the Fellowship of the Konoha Enlightenment Initiative, or AFKEI."

"Is that something distinct from just banning him?" Hazō asked.

"Ami insisted on the formal designation," Kei said. "She hopes that, in time, such apostates will ally to form a rival organisation hostile to the KEI's leadership and policies, and a shared title would be a useful advantage to offer them until an original group identity crystallises. As ever, her genius is beyond me.

"As to the ruling itself, formally speaking, no. Informally speaking, Fu is a traitor to the KEI, one who would exploit his downtrodden fellows with the tools intended to uplift them, and anyone associating with him will de facto be aiding and abetting a known criminal. In effect, we have sentenced him to be"—her voice went very quiet—"ostracised."

"This is something of relevance to you as well, Hazō," Snowflake said, giving Kei a look Hazō couldn't read, "as his current landlord. Many will be watching to see what decision you make in the coming days."

The KEI's declared enemy was a Gōketsu estate genin. Great. Hazō was now stuck between expelling a man whom he'd promised food, shelter, and eventual adoption, on nothing more than the word of the KEI—which wasn't quite a statement that the KEI's authority trumped his own, but was too close for comfort—and publicly choosing to grant those things to a soon-to-be-infamous thief and traitor.

"For what it is worth," Kei said softly, "it was not my intent to place you in such a position. That the AFKEI shinobi happened to be living on your estate was purely ill fortune."

No, Hazō trusted his sworn sister not to corner him for political purposes, and this kind of manipulation wasn't her style to begin with. Nor did Naruto seem like a subtle enough operator to come up with the idea.

Then again, there were enough KEI genin on the estate. Was it so improbable that one of them would turn out to be a bad apple by chance?

"Speaking of troublesome individuals on the Gōketsu estate," Snowflake said, "rumours say you have pardoned Haru."

Hazō stared. "Firstly, I haven't—he's on parole so he can get back in shape before Asuma sends him into combat—and secondly, I just did that last night. How are there rumours that made it all the way to you?"

Snowflake shrugged. "Apparently, all the KEI genin have been watching him in horrified fascination. When he stopped hammering that wretched pillar of rock and put on a haori with the Gōketsu crest right before said genin headed to the general meeting…"

"I see," Hazō said. "Is there anything about the estate that the KEI doesn't know?"

"Why it's home to a Wakahisa fish breeding specialist," Snowflake said with a wry smile. "We have heard some very disturbing theories, only a few of which are accurate."

"What?" Hazō demanded. "Why would he tell anyone he's one of those?"

"I assume that he is not one of nature's infiltrators, and forcing him to spend the best part of a year constantly surrounded by suspicious ninja without revealing any details of his personal background was too much to hope for. Regardless, the majority of rumours do not consider why the Wakahisa would train fish breeding specialists to begin with, and instead pertain to traitorous plots against the Village Hidden in the Leaves, forbidden experimental Water ninjutsu, and of course fish god sex cults."

"Of course," Hazō said resignedly.

"My advice to you if you wish to preserve OPSEC," Snowflake said in tones of perfect seriousness, "is to lean into it as much as possible. Given the rumours about you and Akane, and now Ino as well, few will doubt it when they hear you are exploring yet more new and exciting realms of depravity."

"You realise Ino will kill him?" Kei asked.

"True," Snowflake said. "Stick to the treason."

"Pretending that entire conversation just now didn't happen," Hazō said, "if it comes up, let people know Haru hasn't been pardoned yet. I'm keeping that option open. Right now, I'm just having him go apologise to the yakuza families and pay them blood money—which, now I think of it, he doesn't have because he gave it all away. Huh."

The two girls exchanged glances.

"You realise Akane will be furious when she returns," Kei said.

If she returned, corrected the voice from somewhere deep and dark inside Hazō's soul. If she'd encountered Rock soldiers, taking out patrols in preparation to open up a second front… Or just a chakra beast powerful enough to wipe out a patrol, with some terrible ability like the quisling tyrant had…

"It cannot be helped," Snowflake replied. "Even if Hazō were to apologise in person as she insisted, after such a delay nobody would believe he was doing it on the Hokage's orders. Hazō, it may be in your interest to abandon hope of placating Akane, and focus on developing contingencies for when other shinobi begin to imitate Haru as she feared. Not that I imagine the war will leave much time for such thoughts, on your part or theirs."

The war might not leave time for much. In fact, that was part of the reason Hazō had come to see Kei and Snowflake in the first place.

"Actually, there's something war-related that I wanted to talk to you about, Kei."

"Yes?"

"Asuma wants Mari to fight in the war."

"Of course he does," Kei said with an edge of puzzlement. "You forced his hand with regard to that issue some time ago."

"What do you mean?"

"You asked him for permission to teach her the Shadow Clone Technique," Snowflake said. "In effect, you were requesting for her to be added to the active duty roster, since there is no earthly reason why a non-combatant would be taught a classified A-rank ninjutsu. The Hokage would hardly refuse, when refusal would equate to a formal statement that he did not wish Mari to act as a Leaf shinobi."

"I assumed you did it in awareness that it was in any case only a matter of time," Kei said. "Mari, after all, never so much retired as went private. She has served the Gōketsu in every way that she would otherwise serve Leaf, with the possible exception of assassinations. ANBU, and thus the Hokage, could not help but notice eventually.

"Regardless, why is Mari's fate my concern?"

"Because I think you should give some serious thought to whether you want it to end like this," Hazō said. "If you don't decide what you want now… you might never get another chance.

"What are you after, Kei? An apology? Reparations? If so, what kind? Is this about you and your relationship with Mari, or are you acting on behalf of the others who died in Hidden Swamp? I know you might not have all the answers yet, but I don't want you to run out of time to look."

Kei nodded heavily. The room was silent.

"I want my Mari back," she finally said in a voice just above a whisper. "I want the bold, beautiful, impossibly heroic woman who paused her quest to change the world because she cared about my feelings. I want the woman who took care of us in the wilderness, who paid attention to how we felt and took great care not to hurt us—not for real—even after years building habits of apathy and cruelty. I want the woman who apologised, and promised to do better, and did better. I want her to come back and replace the woman who forgot I could feel pain, and the woman who used my pain against me the night before my wedding. I want her to apologise in a way that makes them gone forever.

"I cannot have that, Hazō. I am not someone who can understand people, or redeem them. I am not someone who is good with trust. I do not know what causes me to feel it, or why some things destroy it and others do not, or where it goes or how to bring it back. But the Mari who is there now claims I must trust her, while unable or unwilling to offer me anything that would help."

She reached up as if to wipe her eyes with her sleeve. Snowflake promptly put a handkerchief in her hand instead.

"Who… who cares about reparations?" Kei asked. "Who, says the selfish little girl, cares about the others from Hidden Swamp? I cannot save them. Mari cannot save them. There is no room in my hands to hold onto even my own happiness, much less play-act a champion.

"How can I trust her, Hazō? How can I look at this woman with immense, untold power to hurt me, and trust that this paragon of deception has my best interests at heart, unlike her identical twin to whom my pain is nothing if facing it would interfere with her narrative of redemption, or her other twin who will break me to the exact extent that I stand in her way? I am not Akane, to trust unconditionally and have faith in my ability to survive betrayal. I am merely"—she gestured with her hands—"this.

"My hero cannot save me this time, not even if she is truly here. Even Ami cannot save me from my own weakness. All the answers in the world cannot change that."

Hazō looked at Kei's moist eyes, then down at the board. His woebegone pilgrim looked up at him in mute condemnation. Hazō couldn't think of anything to say to either of them that would turn the situation around, much less if the endgame was nigh.

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I'll try to do the Ino scene tomorrow. If I fail, I'm sure @eaglejarl will do a sterling job (assuming he doesn't want to offscreen it).

Voting is open. Assume that nobody died as a result of the Ino scene and the results of the offscreen stuff aren't in yet.

Voting closes on Saturday 28th of August, 1 p.m. New York time.
 
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So, unrelated to the post above which I haven't read yet, I had a thought:

We're probably vastly underestimating the viability of recovering people from the afterlife. At the very least for select people, particularly Jiraiya.

Think about it. That entire sequence of events was right in the middle of a April Fools section where the 'Fools' was that the authors dropped simulationism and wrote the story they wanted.

You know what the authors have very clearly stated that they want? They want fucking Jiraiya back so they can stop writing politics and start writing face-punching. And then when they got free reign to do w/e, they made a portal to the afterlife.

A bigger hint could not exist.

I haven't seen anyone bring this point up. I bet if we get that portal open again Jiraiya is going to be like, a mile away in plain sight.

Lets make it a bigger priority.
 
So, unrelated to the post above which I haven't read yet, I had a thought:

We're probably vastly underestimating the viability of recovering people from the afterlife. At the very least for select people, particularly Jiraiya.

Think about it. That entire sequence of events was right in the middle of a April Fools section where the 'Fools' was that the authors dropped simulationism and wrote the story they wanted.

You know what the authors have very clearly stated that they want? They want fucking Jiraiya back so they can stop writing politics and start writing face-punching. And then when they got free reign to do w/e, they made a portal to the afterlife.

A bigger hint could not exist.

I haven't seen anyone bring this point up. I bet if we get that portal open again Jiraiya is going to be like, a mile away in plain sight.

Lets make it a bigger priority.
You should join the Discord. Everyone there is accustomed to seeing @eaglejarl's weekly "Resurrect Jiraiya already!"
 
So, unrelated to the post above which I haven't read yet, I had a thought:

We're probably vastly underestimating the viability of recovering people from the afterlife. At the very least for select people, particularly Jiraiya.

Think about it. That entire sequence of events was right in the middle of a April Fools section where the 'Fools' was that the authors dropped simulationism and wrote the story they wanted.

You know what the authors have very clearly stated that they want? They want fucking Jiraiya back so they can stop writing politics and start writing face-punching. And then when they got free reign to do w/e, they made a portal to the afterlife.

A bigger hint could not exist.

I haven't seen anyone bring this point up. I bet if we get that portal open again Jiraiya is going to be like, a mile away in plain sight.

Lets make it a bigger priority.
What the QMs want to happen is mostly unrelated to what will actually happen. They're upholding simulationism over most other things, and the fact that resurrection doesn't already exist in the setting despite myths like Edo Tensei existing means it's probably going to be pretty hard. We have advantages that people like Jiraiya didn't have in the form of existing rifts, but I don't think that we have good reason to believe we're vastly underestimating the viability of resurrection. (At least, I don't think QM desire is by itself a strong indicator of any form of mechanics)
 
I think it is very important that we ensure that the Haru situation isn't about placating Akane. Her getting angry at Hazou was a good reality check because he was acting "out of character" but his decisions regarding Haru need to be for his own moral standards, not Akane's. Obviously her input is important/valid etc. but I think Kei's attitude in this chapter is one we should vehemently oppose in the future.
 
What the QMs want to happen is mostly unrelated to what will actually happen. They're upholding simulationism over most other things, and the fact that resurrection doesn't already exist in the setting despite myths like Edo Tensei existing means it's probably going to be pretty hard. We have advantages that people like Jiraiya didn't have in the form of existing rifts, but I don't think that we have good reason to believe we're vastly underestimating the viability of resurrection. (At least, I don't think QM desire is by itself a strong indicator of any form of mechanics)
This is normally true, yes, but it briefly wasn't.

When the authors dropped simulationism, they started writing what they wanted. In the short term, this was just the whole interesting scene with Itachi and some other stuff. But, while I'd have to check when the exact cutoffs were and some other things, it's possible that the authors were also thinking long term.

In other words, they may have used their free reign to alter the simulation in the present to give it the best chance of continuing to be the sort of story they want to write in the future.

Y'know what sort of story they want?

A story with Jiraiya.
 
"I want my Mari back," she finally said in a voice just above a whisper. "I want the bold, beautiful, impossibly heroic woman who paused her quest to change the world because she cared about my feelings. I want the woman who took care of us in the wilderness, who paid attention to how we felt and took great care not to hurt us—not for real—even after years building habits of apathy and cruelty. I want the woman who apologised, and promised to do better, and did better. I want her to come back and replace the woman who forgot I could feel pain, and the woman who used my pain against me the night before my wedding. I want her to apologise in a way that makes them gone forever.
I think this is a delightful insight into the Keiko-Mari dynamic. Mostly because Keiko's problem is wishing for the return of a person who never existed in the first place. So like, this is never going to be resolved unless she can get over the picture of Mari in her head.
 
When the authors dropped simulationism
1: They explicitly said this happened only because there was a miscommunication amongst QMs. I don't think we can/should bank on that happening again, and it working out in our favor to the degree it did.
2: They also explicitly said that it was a one-time thing and not to bank on it

In other words, they may have used their free reign to alter the simulation in the present to give it the best chance of continuing to be the sort of story they want to write in the future.
I would certainly be grateful if that were true, but imo this is wildly speculative and based on meta optimism rather than anything that has been indicated to us the players, in or out of story. The fact that we got a rift portal that left a scar and can potentially be re-powered is itself a massive advantage. It might have turned what would be a Sealing 120 project to a Sealing 80 project or whatever. So far as we know that is the big help they gave to us. Still doesn't mean we're overestimating the difficulty
 
So, unrelated to the post above which I haven't read yet, I had a thought:

We're probably vastly underestimating the viability of recovering people from the afterlife. At the very least for select people, particularly Jiraiya.

Think about it. That entire sequence of events was right in the middle of a April Fools section where the 'Fools' was that the authors dropped simulationism and wrote the story they wanted.

You know what the authors have very clearly stated that they want? They want fucking Jiraiya back so they can stop writing politics and start writing face-punching. And then when they got free reign to do w/e, they made a portal to the afterlife.

A bigger hint could not exist.

I haven't seen anyone bring this point up. I bet if we get that portal open again Jiraiya is going to be like, a mile away in plain sight.

Lets make it a bigger priority.
Okay, what more can we do? We've already identified the Rift Scar and seen the obvious potential to re-open it and start exploring the other side, but we can't open it yet, we don't have the tools to do so. And we're working on that, with Kagome doing research on seals that might shed more light on the Rift Scar. Undoubtedly those seals will take us below the minimum level of abstraction, putting us in the realm of technobabble 'the folds of the chakra field have more contusions than normal here' and the like, but dollars to doughnuts they'll pave the way for a seal project to interact with the rift scar and maybe refuel it.

Do you think Kagome isn't working hard enough? Do you think we can help out with our... 9 effective Calligraphy and 30 effective Sealing? Do you think there's anything else we can do on the side to speed things up? Genuine questions here, I personally lean no on each but if you have a good argument that we're leaving money on the table I'd be on board with picking it up.

But otherwise, there's a fixed limit to how fast we can do necromancy, and we're already at it. Even if we shuffled it up our list of priorities even more, that doesn't speed anything up in and of itself. It's not like we aren't trying our best here.
 
Do you think Kagome isn't working hard enough? Do you think we can help out with our... 9 effective Calligraphy and 30 effective Sealing? Do you think there's anything else we can do on the side to speed things up? Genuine questions here, I personally lean no on each but if you have a good argument that we're leaving money on the table I'd be on board with picking it up.
We could bring Oro in and promptly be turned into a nervefarm
 
Okay, what more can we do?
Nothing ourselves; we need to pitch it to Asuma.

If we get Leaf's sealmaster corps behind it, things will go a lot faster. More brainpower, more resources, a research post at the site of the rift, etc.

If we want to do this, we need to put some more effort in, though; Asuma is aware of the portal, but has not already jumped on it. We need to change his mind on the issue, and I see a few ways we can do this:

  1. Come up with a compelling argument.
    1. Hokage is a very time consuming job, so it's possible that Asuma hasn't fully thought through the implications or possibilities of the portal.
    2. Bringing it to his attention again might be enough, and costs us little if we bring it up while talking with him for other reasons.
  2. Bring him progress. If we have additional information or research progress that shows that the project is more viable than he's currently aware, he'll be more likely to invest in it.
    1. Did he read the mission report from when we took some sensory experts over to look at it?
    2. Does Kagome have any progress?
  3. Bring other things to the table.
    1. We have resources, put them on the table. Offer money, favors, whatever.
    2. If we agree to invest in the project, Asuma will be more inclined to go for it.
  4. Approach Leaf sealmasters independently.
    1. CHECK WITH MARI FIRST. We do not want to look like we're going behind Asuma's back.
    2. If other sealmasters see merit in the project or are interested in working on it, that's something we can bring to Asuma. He knows when to defer to experts, and if the experts see merit in it...
    3. Approach sealmasters, tell them whatever we can that isn't classified, ask them what they think or if they want to join the project.
    4. Work around the Dragon Portal project; we don't want to be pushing two agendas, and that one is higher priority. Ask people who aren't working on it, or just ask if they'd be interested in researching the afterlife portal in their free time or after the dragons are solved?
As an example of #1, we could pitch it as a medical thing like someone mentioned. Injured person in, healthy person out. That's going to be useful during a war.

Unrelated to that, it occurs to me we know a certain someone who has a ton of resources and would love the chaos caused by the paradigm shift of reviving people. Can we safely tell Ami, or would it be treason and/or result in it getting back to Mist?
 
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As an example of #1, we could pitch it as a medical thing like someone mentioned. Injured person in, healthy person out. That's going to be useful during a war.
I think even under the best of circumstances, achieving necromancy within the scope of the war with Rock is a dubious proposition. Achieving reliable, targeted necromancy even moreso, since we don't know if Daizen's case can be reliably repeated. There's benefits to Leaf once we get them, of course, but getting Hokage support right now runs in spite of the war with Rock, not in support of. My first impression of his reaction, even if we make a favourable enough pitch to convince Asuma 'this is worth spending Tower resources on in addition to the Goketsu's private investment', is that he'll tell us to contact him again once Leaf's not at war.

From the other side, on what benefits we can get out of this, I don't personally think the sealmaster alliance will be a very big help. Are any of them (that aren't Orochimaru, who we would approach directly if we were aiming for him since Asuma wouldn't order him around) better than Kagome, or have a lot of veterancy in this domain? If nobody can get the job done faster than Kagome, would we get any bonuses to Kagome's rolls? I'm not sure, he already has a bonus from Jiraiya's sealing notes IIRC, and I'm not sure the other sealmasters of Konoha aren't just redundant to that.

What does sound useful is building a permanent outpost at the rift site, establishing a Leaf presence to ensure the location is not compromised, have supplies on-hand for when we get the rift open and start missions on the other side, etc., but I don't think that's a bottleneck on time compared to the seal research, and it'll be much easier to argue for when we have more promising results, like 'we took Kagome's seals to the rift scar and based on our complex sealmaster analysis of the fabric of spacetime there it should be possible to make a seal that re-opens the rift, allowing us to venture into the afterlife at will and bring people out'.

And I should also spare some words for the casual grip deathism has over people. We've mainly shaken it out of Team Uplift, but there's a very real chance that Asuma's first reaction to necromancy will be something along the lines of 'you'd deny our ancestors their promised reward?' and we'll have to burn most of the conversation just convincing him that if we had 'make Hashirama alive again no jutsu' that it would be a good thing to bring him back, let alone the slam dunk 'I want this as well, and believe this plan can work, and am willing to invest resources into seeing it accomplished faster' that we'd need to see gains.

That said, all in all you're right in that there may in fact be a way to somewhat speed the process up, but by my read of it it's marginal gains, potentially costly, and not the best odds of success. Asuma may very well be in the right if he says that Leaf needs to focus on winning the war against Rock or Hazou won't even be able to finish the project at all, that it's more important to get necromancy than to get it fast. I'd say at the very least we should wait to see how the war with Rock develops so it doesn't look to Asuma like we immediately got bored of the war and hecked off to one of our pet projects instead of trying to defend Leaf as best as possible.
 
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Reaction post! Out of order, because I care about the order and totally not because I initially forgot to quote things. Nope.


You recall Yūhi Kurenai's highly-publicised Satsugai Manor mission last month."

Oh no! But we would have heard if something happened, right? Would explain Asuma being cranky though.

Hired to defend a daimyo from an anticipated assassination attempt, the genjutsu expert had single-handedly taken out a squad of elite chūnin through a combination of misdirection, manipulation, negotiation, and ultimately a gruesome bloodbath that left the client a very grateful gibbering wreck. The Hokage had held her up as an example of what all social specs should aspire to, but yes, it also served as a valuable reminder that combat with enemy ninja did not require a declaration of war. The very nature of shinobi missions maintained a status quo of mutual killing, and the resulting hatred between the villages.

Okay, yeah, didn't think so. I wonder where those chunin were from? That we don't even know who a group of killed chunin are from really does good background work for the level of deathworld violence that goes on.

Also Kurenai is a badass.

On reflection, Hazō should have seen it coming from their last 'peaceful game', which had involved taking turns to save up for and buy gem mines, and featured no player interaction to speak of.

Oh hey, I actually own Splendor! Kinda fun, but feels almost like a solved game too often. My friend and I, out of 10 test rounds, have yet to have a game where we can't predict the winner based on who goes first and the board state.
I'm sure what doesn't apply to other things though. Course not. That would be silly. Anyway, what's the ninja distribution that we got from the meeting of our fellow ruling class oligarchs?

The core principle is that should one learn such a technique and proceed to teach it to another, one must pay 25% of the money gained to the originator at the top of the chain, to a minimum of 25% of the original fee. Thus, every KEI shinobi receives an incentive to share their personal techniques in exchange for a consistent income stream. When the originator dies, statistically within a few years of beginning to teach, the technique is released into the public domain.

Oh hey, a pyramid scheme with good intentions and an off-valve. Neat. Please let's try not to exploit it. But year yeah, enforcement will be a difficulty. Will give incentive to only teach very flashy and recognizable moves.

Thus, he was declared Anathema to the Fellowship of the Konoha Enlightenment Initiative, or AFKEI."

*Snrk* nice.

No, Hazō trusted his sworn sister not to corner him for political purposes, and this kind of manipulation wasn't her style to begin with. Nor did Naruto seem like a subtle enough operator to come up with the idea.

Oh hey, Ami's flirting again! Or just trying to take us down a peg for her own machinations. Or just wants to watch us struggle. Maybe all three. It could be random chance. It might even be. But, I wouldn't bet on it.

Given the rumours about you and Akane, and now Ino as well, few will doubt it when they hear you are exploring yet more new and exciting realms of depravity."

"You realise Ino will kill him?" Kei asked.

"True," Snowflake said. "Stick to the treason."

"Pretending that entire conversation just now didn't happen,

Kei and Snowflake talking about Hazou's inevitable doom in front of him is... Honestly pretty endearing, and I can easily picture it. And is the sort of exchange that helps show where edges of the blurred lines of individualism are here (that could have been a person's internal conversation or between any two people). Also shows board game playing in a free for all setting with both of them participating gets a whole new level. Neat.

and trust that this paragon of deception has my best interests at heart, unlike her identical twin to whom my pain is nothing if facing it would interfere with her narrative of redemption, or her other twin who will break me to the exact extent that I stand in her way?

Oh hey, look at Kei stumbling upon the Mari multitudes. And I don't know if it's more sad that she thinks that of Mari, or that I don't know if she's wrong about it.

Hazō looked at Kei's moist eyes, then down at the board. His woebegone pilgrim looked up at him in mute condemnation. Hazō couldn't think of anything to say to either of them that would turn the situation around, much less if the endgame was nigh.

That's not ominous at all. Nope nope. Okay y'all. We need to step up the endgame protocols. Now where's the time machine so we can lighthouse (or would that be called hyperbolic time chambering instead?), and the last minute unexpected ally?

The KEI's declared enemy was a Gōketsu estate genin. Great. Hazō was now stuck between expelling a man whom he'd promised food, shelter, and eventual adoption, on nothing more than the word of the KEI—which wasn't quite a statement that the KEI's authority trumped his own, but was too close for comfort—and publicly choosing to grant those things to a soon-to-be-infamous thief and traitor.

So I think this is worth paying attention to. We could easily Hazou-pilot this, but this also could be a thing we actively controlled for a better outcome. I think, no matter what, we need a policy on how much we care about Ninja being in good standing with the KEI, and what to do if they aren't. Certainly kicking him out isn't really an option, for both the optics and uplift. Maybe making a public statement that anyone who can't be trusted to keep that sort of deal isn't likely to keep clan secrets, and as such isn't in consideration for adoption? If the KEI wants us to do something stronger about it, then they'd have to start compensating us for taking care of so many of their members. If that happens, charging a fee for our continued service to those who are AFKEI (heh) would seem like a reasonable middle ground maybe? Or slightly different housing arrangements. We don't want to push them to snap or go missing though.

"I want my Mari back," she finally said in a voice just above a whisper. "I want the bold, beautiful, impossibly heroic woman who paused her quest to change the world because she cared about my feelings. I want the woman who took care of us in the wilderness, who paid attention to how we felt and took great care not to hurt us—not for real—even after years building habits of apathy and cruelty.

That's... At least she realizes that person never really existed. But it is really hard, when you love someone who doesn't exist, and may have never existed, but letting go that idea of them feels like betraying the version of them you wished existed/that you want to remember them by. I have to say, Kei in this chapter, I get her perspective and thought to an unusual degree. Whether that says things about Kei, Vel, me, circumstances, or all the above is open to interpretation.
 
You should join the Discord. Everyone there is accustomed to seeing @eaglejarl's weekly "Resurrect Jiraiya already!"
Where i find the link to it?

Ok from more to less immediate priorities

The genin, KEI the organization (kamidammit Ami) problem.
Public trial: basicaly ask KEI, all tree realy a small favor of mutual intrest, Kei the organization deliver a formal acusation on the goketsu state requesting the expulsion of the AFKEI ninja with basis that their betrail of the organization also indicate that he is unfit to join a clan and his selfish actions also break with the way of the goketsu and the will of fire.
There Ami or Kei the person will mecrylessly evicerate expose their argument on the AFKEI situation and we can safely Ban him and look good doing it, then we can use the precedent on further AFKEI ninja. We can even have a jury of state ninja so hazo can barely do any talking.
Of course we run the plan trough mari first.
And we notify assuma, he will not realy care but he still hazo's boss and its good practice to not go behind his back.

For necromancy, we have 2 avenues:
3D seals this is usefull because its a totaly new avenue of sealing, more complex seals for more exoteric effects like rip a hole in reality.

Sumoning scroll seal, we need to lean how the seal do reverse summoning. So we can make a seal to open the rift.

The Edo tensei seal will probably a super complex 3D seal to luckly hazo have dowloade 2 seal the do the stuff we want already.
 
Okay, what more can we do?

I don't see us asking for much or how this could negatively impact the war enough to veto. And I'm almost certain Asuma knows what we're up to by now and has been indulging us. I'd be really confused if he didn't. Anywho, we could expand the scope and speed with which we are dealing with our rift experiments.

Not sure if Kagome's been doing experiments but we could ask if he's got anything promising. Or if he would be cool sharing his results.

After that, I'd propose we handle the rift in the same way we communicated with our clan during our Isan venture as far as communicating from afar speedily. This should accelerate research IMO.

As for Orochimaru, we should go through Kabuto first before he thinks it's worth sending up the foodchain. I'd entice Kabuto by asking Noburi first though. We can sanitize the reason and give him the data to look at. We'll move on from there. I'd think he'd have some sealing knowledge if he's working with a bio-sealer.
 
I have an idea for the problematic excommunicated genin. We adopt him, provide food/shelter/status for him, and train him as promised. However, when he performs missions the proceeds go to KEI instead of Goketsu. We don't really need the money but we could definitely use the goodwill/setting the example, and it could be good for the genin too. Shows that there are consequences when you defect in the Prisoner's Dilemma but your life isn't over and he can have a second chance.
 
I have an idea for the problematic excommunicated genin. We adopt him, provide food/shelter/status for him, and train him as promised. However, when he performs missions the proceeds go to KEI instead of Goketsu. We don't really need the money but we could definitely use the goodwill/setting the example, and it could be good for the genin too. Shows that there are consequences when you defect in the Prisoner's Dilemma but your life isn't over and he can have a second chance.
Are all the missions proceeds suppose to be extra as repair + compensation? Or is it going to be just enough to pay off the 25% fee?
 
I have an idea for the problematic excommunicated genin. We adopt him, provide food/shelter/status for him, and train him as promised. However, when he performs missions the proceeds go to KEI instead of Goketsu. We don't really need the money but we could definitely use the goodwill/setting the example, and it could be good for the genin too. Shows that there are consequences when you defect in the Prisoner's Dilemma but your life isn't over and he can have a second chance.

I hard disagree, both because we have limited slots, and also because it spits in the face of all the ninja that want to be adopted that are doing their best and deserve to be adopted more than this person. The fact that they get a reward for defecting is Not the kind of message we want to send if we want goodwill.
 
I hard disagree, both because we have limited slots, and also because it spits in the face of all the ninja that want to be adopted that are doing their best and deserve to be adopted more than this person. The fact that they get a reward for defecting is Not the kind of message we want to send if we want goodwill.
I generally agree with this, but we don't need to adopt them next. This is mostly an answer to Hazou's internal conflict over having promised this person that they will eventually be adopted. When that time comes, I would do what I suggested.

EDIT: Though that's what, like 3 years away minimum? If we don't negotiate for more adoption slots and only use the allotted 2 per year it's even further out, like 5+ years. This is probably a non-issue altogether, as at this point we're either gods or dead (or worse)
 
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No, bad @Shrooms do not fuck up our political footing even more.
The goal is to kick him out while looking that hazo authority as lor goketsu still given he the final say.
having KEI the organization "convinced" lord goketsu that the AFKEI ninja broke faith with the way of the goketsu by acting selfishly and try to exploit the clanless ninja. Is the way to go.
 
Hired to defend a daimyo from an anticipated assassination attempt, the genjutsu expert had single-handedly taken out a squad of elite chūnin
Surprised ninja willing to risk their lives, jonin and chuunin lives, on a civilians. Even a daimyo
"You realise Akane will be furious when she returns," Kei said.
Huh? Wat hazou do?
You forced his hand with regard to that issue some time ago
ANBU, and thus the Hokage, could not help but notice eventually.
Skeptical of kei/snowflake arguments
woman who used my pain against me the night before my wedding
Anyone remember what this was?
 
SC Math for Chapter 460:
@eaglejarl, @Velorien
With Hazou injured and Akane out on mission, only Kei continues to FOOM. By the SOP, Kei is training for 12 training blocks. With 4 base XP, the SC payout is:
  • Kei: +4.8 XP (4 x1.2)
There are previous payouts unaccounted for:
Chapter 453:
SC Training: Kei is training at 1.2x, Akane at 1.0x, with a base XP of 8:

Kei: +9.6 XP
Akane: +8.0 XP
Chapter 454:
SC Training: Kei gets 1.2x, Akane gets 1.0x with a base XP of 6:

Kei: +7.2 XP
Akane: +6.0 XP
Chapter 455:
SC Training: From 30 base XP, Kei is at 1.2x.

Kei: +36 XP

@eaglejarl @Velorien I assume Akane can't SC train this update?
Chapter 458:
SC Training: Kei probably made clones this morning while Akane is out getting murdered, so only Kei gets SC XP at 1.2x:

Kei: +3.6 XP

QMs, feel free to correct us if Akane should be getting SC XP.
Chapter 459:
SC Training:

Kei: +1.2 XP
 
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