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To what extend should we involve Kagome in FOOM OPSEC?
Tell him it's important, that it needs to be trapped more securely than his own bedroom, and offer (IN GOOD FAITH) to tell him why. Kagome knows he's a bad liar and has elected not to know things in the past, but the more info he has, the better he can tailor the defenses to the room's true purpose.
 
Tell him it's important, that it needs to be trapped more securely than his own bedroom, and offer (IN GOOD FAITH) to tell him why. Kagome knows he's a bad liar and has elected not to know things in the past, but the more info he has, the better he can tailor the defenses to the room's true purpose.
Again, Kagome is willing to trade off secrecy against security. Ordinarily this is good practice, but in this case security is less relevant (nothing of value is being defended, a day's worth of SC training is trivial) while secrecy matters a ton. Extensive trapping harms our ability to keep a secret.
 
Just tell him it actually is a sex dungeon and dont let anyone get near it or see in
KAGOME: "But... Why are we hiding the garden against the stupid spying stinkers? We should just trap it six ways to Sunday."

MARI: "Because it's going to be Mari's super special fun time room."

KAGOME: "So... Why isn't Ami going there with you?"

EVERYONE: [shocked silence]

KAGOME: "Seriously, I found out about Kei and Tenten. Why is everyone surprised? I'm honestly not that bad..."
 
Whatever someone goes looking for, they should find it. If they look deeper, they should find a new, still interesting secret.
As much as I like this line of thinking, I think it opens a vulnerability of its own if implemented incorrectly. The ultimate goal here to get people to stop looking, and if we accidentally signal 'we do multi-layered security' in the wrong way that'll just encourage people to keep prying just in case.

In my opinion, what we want is a single slam-dunk 'so this is what they were hiding!' moment that feels qualitatively different from any of the false layers. I'm not 100% certain of this idea, but I suggest putting our necromancy notes and plans there as that layer. It's a real secret of ours, one that people would understand us wanting to keep hidden (as most people would think us crazy for trying), but not one that we really have to keep hidden.

This way, if we only put one or two decoy layers above it, prying eyes will quickly push past obvious fake-out layers and then reach an actual real secret, something that might actually have warranted this whole scheme to begin with, and leave with their curiosity satisfied.
 
(This is my first ever plan. Yay!)
[X] FOOM OPSEC: There Is No Kill Like OVERKILL

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As FOOM takes off, we must create a place for the Shadow Clones to train covertly, so people don't notice us making so many shadow clones.
  • Create entrance (and emergency exit) in secure areas of Gōketsu compound where clan members can be seen entering without suspicion
  • Tunnel deep underground. Twice as deep as suspected Byakugan range.
  • Set up highest-OPSEC secret facility per Kagome's and Kei's specifications (use purifiers for air, dig using tunneling jutsu, etc.), have Kagome design and implement information security (have AB seals permanently active)
    • Primary purpose: cover for training facility
    • Secondary purpose: high-OPSEC/Byakugan-resistant area for meetings, storage of classified materials, seal-development (only what is safe to do underground), and Project Necromancy
  • Set up training facility (with hidden entrance) well below seal base
    • Specialized spaces for taijutsu, meditation, etc.
    • Design to FOOMers' specifications
    • Have emergency food/water etc.
  • Hazō implements and maintains Kagome security measures on lower section of base (but have Kagome make the seals)
  • Prioritize secrecy over size. Futureproof.
Standard Operating Procedure:
  • Take advantage of having high-OPSEC facility. Use for regular clan meetings.
  • Do non-SC training on surface.
  • Any heavy SC training or regular refilling must be done in underground facility
    • Give no reason to suspect mass SC training
    • Create mass SCs only inside facility, barring emergency
  • Treat Sealing Research Base as SECRET, but Training Facility as TOP SECRET
    • If you do not need to know about this, you do not know about this
  • Do not talk about either base unless under heavy OPSEC or in the facility itself
  • Mari, disguise base usage as something else. Have fun ;P
Offscreen:
  • Discreetly investigate Konoha's underground defenses/survelience.
Check/Optimize with Mari and FOOM Clan Members before implementation.

To Asuma
  • We are making a secret, underground seal research facility
  • We will be creating/selling/buying AB seals from Tower
  • This is a matter of clan secrets
I want to preemptively tell Asuma about the underground sealing facility for a few reasons.
  1. We're clearing the plan with Mari first, so it will only happen if Mari doesn't think it's a horrible idea.
  2. I have zero confidence in our ability to keep the Tower from learning about it in the mid to long term. Let's be real, the Tower is absolutely going to find out about this. I'd much rather let them know in advance than have them randomly discover another underground facility and freak out.
  3. Telling the cover story to the Tower does not endanger the secret to the rest of Leaf. Much like chakra detecting seals we gave the Tower earlier, we can 100% trust the Tower not to blab about our secrets that we shared for natsec. Not if we told them instead of them discovering them on their own, that is.
  4. The Tower is probably really touchy about underground bases post-Collapse. If we tell him in advance, we won't trigger any of the many underground defenses they have (almost definitely) set up post-Collapse. I can see this preventing a big scare sometime in the future.
  5. We don't have to worry about the Tower prying as long as we say it's for clan secrets. We keep the details extremely light and only say the few sentences written down.
  6. We need to stay in the good graces of the Tower and this is a good way to sucker up without actually giving away anything.
  7. It would be a really fun seen to write! (EJ says it's an 8/10, since he has to save room at the top for rez-ing Jman)
That said, I'm open to changing my mind if someone makes a good argument. I care about the general gist of my plan far more than I do this specific aspect, so I'm willing to compromise if a lot of people in the thread don't like this.
 
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One thing I want to note: We don't want to be too clever.

Layers of misdirections sound fun, but is it effective? Usually, one or two layers are enough.
 
In my opinion, what we want is a single slam-dunk 'so this is what they were hiding!' moment that feels qualitatively different from any of the false layers. I'm not 100% certain of this idea, but I suggest putting our necromancy notes and plans there as that layer. It's a real secret of ours, one that people would understand us wanting to keep hidden (as most people would think us crazy for trying), but not one that we really have to keep hidden.

This way, if we only put one or two decoy layers above it, prying eyes will quickly push past obvious fake-out layers and then reach an actual real secret, something that might actually have warranted this whole scheme to begin with, and leave with their curiosity satisfied.
It's like putting some soft-core porn in your outer Veracrypt instance. If people get in they see the porn and say "Ah, okay. Nothing too objectionable here" and don't go looking for the inner Veracrypt containing the recipe for Coke.
 
J-man thought Hazo already changed the fate of nations. I guess he never counted on his son changing the fate of entire plane of existence.
 
I think eaglejarl was commenting on the legends of the original Liberator who was around the time of the villages' founding, compared to the more recent Liberator who was a Mist/Orochimaru plant depending on who's telling the story.
Where was the original liberator mentioned? I'm having trouble finding it
 
Where was the original liberator mentioned? I'm having trouble finding it
"We were told that you were, um, the village's best storyteller," Hazō said. "We were hoping to hear about the history of the Country of Iron."

Granny Yoshino raised her eyebrows. "Well, now. Curiosity's a fine thing in the young. Take a seat—mind the cat—and I will tell you the story as it was told to me by my mother, and to her by her mother, and to her by Old Man Kanda who always thought he knew everything."

Her voice took on a melodic, ritualised quality, ruined only by the occasional cough.

"The Land of Iron is harsh, but fair. To those who do nothing, she gives nothing, but to those who bend their backs in worship, she once gave all the riches of the earth.

"In time, those riches attracted the eyes of the cursed shinobi, who cannot see a thing without desiring it, and cannot desire a thing without at once taking it by force. For countless generations, we lived under their thrall, our daimyo nothing but a helpless puppet, all that was best in our land sent to the clans of the south as tribute to line their pockets.

"But one day he was born. Ashikage no Yōtarō, the Liberator. The Liberator was blessed by the Heavens with more of the magic called chakra than a dozen of the cursed shinobi, and he had a vision. Hidden away in the wastelands of the north, he devised a sword art that drew its strength from any man's chakra, be it as mighty as a storm or as feeble as a falling teardrop, so that no longer would all power be held by a few oppressors while the greater part of mankind suffered beneath their yoke.

"When the time was right, he came to seek disciples within each of the great cities. He told them that the way of the cursed shinobi was the way of spies, thieves and assassins, and preached of another way, a way for men of honour to serve their land. He taught all who wished it the art of the samurai, the honoured servant that carries out the will of the people. And when the cursed shinobi came to collect their due once more, the samurai cut them down like the dogs they were, and set their heads upon spears outside the great city of Konoma.

"But the armies of freedom were not ready. When next the cursed shinobi came, they came in force, an alliance of clans such as could not have been imagined in those early days. They slew the Liberator and hunted down every last one of his disciples. They burned all of the great cities to the ground to ensure that no trace of rebellion survived, and they placed cruel overseers so that we would never think to rise again.

"Now the Land of Iron is a shadow of what it once was. The cursed shinobi pillaged the land until there was nothing left, then left her for dead. But we know that the iron of our land is not only within the earth, but also within each of our hearts, and we await the prophesied time when the Liberator shall return to turn that iron into a warrior's steel."

Wakahisa said the first thing on his mind. "Aren't you afraid that the ninja will punish you for talking about them like that?"

Hazō tried to kick him in the ankle as subtly as possible. But Granny Yoshino didn't seem to think there was anything odd about the question.

"What could they take from us that they haven't taken already?" she said bitterly. "What have they got to fear now they've slain our warriors and broken our weapons? The only shinobi with any interest in us anymore are the missing-nin, and they are the enemy of our enemy."

She gave Hazō and the others a meaningful look, but said nothing more.​
All the way back in Chapter 12. EagleJarl's been waiting for *ages*.
 
Based on Cannai's poem, I think he is around in some fashion (assuming the poem is real, which I am doing).



"Beyond the trees my rest shall be"
- The trees could refer to many things, including the Land of Fire, but I interpret it as referring to the place Hazou visited, presumably the Naraka Path or the afterlife. His rest could mean that he is actually resting there, or he died and his original self is in Naraka.

"I leave there seven rocks with seven locks
Each rock a treasure's home
Treasures bright shall guidance give"
- No idea. The rocks are the paths I guess? Especially because the second line makes it sound like the rocks could be planets, and the locks could be all sorts of bullshit. The Five's individual seals, the Great Seal, etc. Each path could have a big ol lock for some sort of sage monster. But if there are 7 locks and the Five/Dragons are what are imprisoned, then we're missing an eldritch monster... Wait, didn't Kagome say the Moon was one of these rocks? Maybe the moon's lock covers the 10 Tails' shell or something. Also, he refers to "treasures" instead of monsters so it could be something else. OR there's loot if you defeat the Dungeon Boss... Loot that can guide you to the Sage.

"Truth or death, no equal chance
To find the way to me."
- Not entirely sure what the 'no equal chance' part means but the fact that death can lead you to the Sage either means that he is in fact in Naraka or the Dogs are secretly a Jashin cult
Let's tell this poem to our lovely wife and ask her what she understands next chance we get.
 
I think lovely is stretching it.
kumogo is best girl


Speaking of her being best girl it's really a shame that we won't get her scroll for Kagome. Since he and Hazō are going to save their entire clan we could probably have set Kagome up with a contract with her immediately
 
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[X] (FOOM OPSEC) Layers Upon Layers
[X] FOOM OPSEC: There Is No Kill Like OVERKILL

Both seem good.
 
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