If that's your idea of a massive retcon you must have had an aneurysm when everyone forgot where they left their disguise kits.

Also, for the record, there's no such thing as "my post" or "@Velorien 's post" when it's an official announcement. We both do the wordsmithing, we both sign off. i.e I deserve an equal share in whatever criticism you have for the first post and he deserves equal credit for this one.
Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to criticize Velorien directly or specifically. I just called it Velorien's post because Velorien posted it.

As for the aneurysm, didn't I send you some slightly asshole-ish PM over that at some point?
 
The sound of something going really fast. It's a joke referring to our XP growth after abusing strategically utilizing Shadow Clone and Noburi's bloodline ability to transfer chakra. Basically, all our XP goes into leveling Resolve and Shadow Clone (until spreadsheet rules force us to invest in other stuff before returning to Resolve and Shadow Clone). This allows us to use more and more clones, each of which is worth an additional +10% XP per 3 hours of training. So the effects accumulate and eventually we will be earning over 5 times more XP per day than the average ninja.
I'm afraid I don't really understand the mechanisms behind this. Why are we leveling Resolve and Shadow Clone specifically? Also, how do we level?
 
@Velorien @eaglejarl
Hello! Long time reader here, interested in taking a more active role in the quest. I've never voted for anything on SV before and am not entirely sure how the whole process works. (I only started commenting on this site with any frequency a several weeks ago). I also don't really know the etiquete for the site or this thread in particular (I've been going off the Reddiqutte when writing my comments but I should probably know the real deal if I'm going to be more active). What should I be aware of? What, besides the Rules doc, should I look at before I get started? Is it ok to ask the QMs questions like this directly or should I ask them to the general thread first?

I suggest reading the rules of the actual forum as well. They are a bit more stringent than reddiquette.
 
I'm afraid I don't really understand the mechanisms behind this. Why are we leveling Resolve and Shadow Clone specifically? Also, how do we level?
We level by doing awesome stuff the QMs like and by IC time passing. Special training methods can boost experience gain from time passing. Shadow Clones that spend their time training give a big boost to experience gain, but cost a lot of chakra to maintain and hurt your brain when they pop if they did a lot of stuff that the original did not (which is necessary for their training to have a point). Noburi solves the chakra problem during training and Resolve defends against the brain pain.
 
I'm afraid I don't really understand the mechanisms behind this. Why are we leveling Resolve and Shadow Clone specifically? Also, how do we level?
In the Jutsu doc attached to the welcome page of the quest, Shadow Clone mechanics are included on the doc. You should read the Rules doc before bothering with the others, but essentially, investing XP into Shadow Clones means we can have clones last longer and summon more of them at a time, meaning more time that they're training in a day. However, there is psychic backlash from absorbing so many memories at once, so you have to boost your Resolve or take psychic damage essentially, known in these rules as a "Mental Consequence".

XP is earned passively through training, though extra XP can be earned from specific bonuses. Our base rate is 2XP per day +1XP if the total word count of a plan is under 300 words. "QM had fun" XP can also be awarded, sometimes a point for each scene or pretty much however much they want to give. Lastly, there is a +1 bonus for each instance of "Creative Training" voted in, assuming that the training is something ordinary ninja wouldn't do and it's actually useful training. Every time we do this we have to think of a new type of training though. There's a link to a list of suggestions of these in my Signature. "Ami Style Training" is what it's called in my signature.

We can choose where to invest this XP, and investing XP in a skill levels it up.
 
You can vote for whatever you want while voting is closed (which it currently is) and those votes won't do anything since whenever a new chapter is posted all votes are reset.

Just like so:

[X] Armageddon Initiative but with Youthsuits

Nothing bad will come from this, nothing at all.
 
Our base rate is 2XP per day +1XP if the total word count of a plan is under 300 words.
This isn't quite right, actually. XP awards are based on the quality of the plan (in terms of how interesting it is, what it aims to accomplish, and how well it does so). 1-3 XP per in-universe day is typical; outstanding plans sometimes earn 4, and disastrous plans can earn 0, though this is very rare. If a plan covers less than a day, it receives proportionally less XP, and sometimes a plan receives 0 XP if that time period was already covered by an XP award from a past plan.

The brevity bonus follows the following pattern:

0-300 words: +1 XP
301-400: +0
401-500: -1
...etc.

Oh, also, you can check the current status of the vote by going to Thread Tools at the top right of the screen and selecting Vote Tally, then "New Tally".
 
[X] Armageddon Initiative but with Youthsuits

Nothing bad will come from this, nothing at all.
To expand on the esteemed @Tua's explanation, Youthsuit Green (which I can't seem to find in the current colour palette) is a reference to the traumatic (for the QMs) events of the Youthsuit Incident, and serves as a request for punishment by those who believe that Hazō's life is currently too easy.

Edit: one more thing. When you have some spare time, you could do worse than check out some of the entries under "Informational" at the bottom of the page. A lot of them won't be relevant to you right now, and a few are outdated, but there's some interesting stuff in there that you won't be able to find elsewhere.
 
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In the Jutsu doc attached to the welcome page of the quest, Shadow Clone mechanics are included on the doc. You should read the Rules doc before bothering with the others, but essentially, investing XP into Shadow Clones means we can have clones last longer and summon more of them at a time, meaning more time that they're training in a day. However, there is psychic backlash from absorbing so many memories at once, so you have to boost your Resolve or take psychic damage essentially, known in these rules as a "Mental Consequence".

XP is earned passively through training, though extra XP can be earned from specific bonuses. Our base rate is 2XP per day +1XP if the total word count of a plan is under 300 words. "QM had fun" XP can also be awarded, sometimes a point for each scene or pretty much however much they want to give. Lastly, there is a +1 bonus for each instance of "Creative Training" voted in, assuming that the training is something ordinary ninja wouldn't do and it's actually useful training. Every time we do this we have to think of a new type of training though. There's a link to a list of suggestions of these in my Signature. "Ami Style Training" is what it's called in my signature.

We can choose where to invest this XP, and investing XP in a skill levels it up.
This is EXTREMELY helpful. Thank you so much!
To expand on the esteemed @Tua's explanation, Youthsuit Green (which I can't seem to find in the current colour palette) is a reference to the traumatic (for the QMs) events of the Youthsuit Incident, and serves as a request for punishment by those who believe that Hazō's life is currently too easy.

Edit: one more thing. When you have some spare time, you could do worse than check out some of the entries under "Informational" at the bottom of the page. A lot of them won't be relevant to you right now, and a few are outdated, but there's some interesting stuff in there that you won't be able to find elsewhere.
I remember the Youthsuit Incident (though I didn't pay close attention to how it happened since I was reasonably confident that the attentive players would never let it happen again without any input from me).

I'll check out the informational section. Thank you for the tip!
 
Reminder: I don't really understand what this means, and it would help me write the update if I did. One of the reasons my previous update went the way it did was that I legitimately had no idea why Hazō was intended to let Haru off with a slap on the wrist, so I couldn't have him present a reasoned argument to an angry Akane.
I actually don't know what Paper meant either, but my best interpretation of it is this: Akane and Kei are more concerned with Intent, while Noburi and Mari are concerned with Results. (I'm also not sure I actually agree with that but for the sake of attempting explanation: ) For example, Akane and Kei both care about the "why" of what Hazou is doing, regardless of what it is. Their Uplift is about getting people to share their preferred ideals. Noburi and Mari on the other hand are more focused on things like Medicine or Trauma Rehabilitation which are directly actionable and not really based on intent or ethereal qualities.
This is about right, I think. From talking with Akane and Keiko, they see Uplift as an abstract thing, to which concrete actions and results strive towards. Whereas from what I recall of our Uplift talks with Noburi, he's more concretely focused on problems like medicine. It's unclear what Mari's doing, but she doesn't seem very ideologically driven, rather trying to do good things such as with the abused kids. That said, this is probably more a question for the thread and the supporters of the "introspect" plan, which I cribbed from.
 
What is the cause of the current famine? How badly is it effecting the Village?
Scrip suddenly lost a lot of confidence from investors/merchants due to the bank run. The Tower was forced to back it up with Tower Gold, but since they don't actually have enough to cover everything they're riding their reputation/threat of violence to say "we will pay you back, just wait a while. Demand it sooner/say it won't be paid and we'll beat your ass". It caused these hesitant merchants to raise prices both because of the unstable economy and for those who had a lot of scrip and need to recoup their money. Other merchants are hesitant to come and deliver product in Leaf because of the economic crisis. And so on.

As for severity, I think all we know is the ninja are well fed but everyone else is not so lucky.
 
Scrip suddenly lost a lot of confidence from investors/merchants due to the bank run. The Tower was forced to back it up with Tower Gold, but since they don't actually have enough to cover everything they're riding their reputation/threat of violence to say "we will pay you back, just wait a while. Demand it sooner/say it won't be paid and we'll beat your ass". It caused these hesitant merchants to raise prices both because of the unstable economy and for those who had a lot of scrip and need to recoup their money. Other merchants are hesitant to come and deliver product in Leaf because of the economic crisis. And so on.

As for severity, I think all we know is the ninja are well fed but everyone else is not so lucky.
So the lack of food (originally) comes not from a shortage but from artificially raised prices due to decreased trust in currency. However, due to the turbulent finances of the villages, food imports to Konoha are genuinely decreasing and there is going to be/is already an actual shortage of food.

Does that sound right?
 
So the lack of food (originally) comes not from a shortage but from artificially raised prices due to decreased trust in currency. However, due to the turbulent finances of the villages, food imports to Konoha are genuinely decreasing and there is going to be/is already an actual shortage of food.

Does that sound right?
That's how I currently understand it, if there's more to it the QMs will have to correct me.

As far as the "shortage of imports" thing goes, though, the Tower will likely just send out D or C rank missions for ninja to run to other towns and buy food, then store it in scrolls and run back. That's what I'd do anyways. They need more money though since they've been having to cash out Scrip.
 
I've just caught up with this quest and I feel like it went in a completely different route on how I would've enacted a great societal change. Looking at our own world's history, no meaningful change was ever enacted nor status quo broken without copious amounts of violence and bloodshed.

By trying to change a system from within and forgoing violence, you give up your most powerful options. Rather than the current milquetoast approach, it would be much better to force civilization down the throats of those in charge of the current hidebound power structures. Akatsuki had that power, unfortunately they lacked the vision to implement it due to lacking OOC information and the help of the hivemind.

My personal path would have been to avoid any kind of contact with the ninja villages and create a hidden compound/research lab in a remote and unremarkable area. And only show ourselves when we had Naruto equivalent of a WMD and ability to bring civilization through judicious application of violence due to being S-level ninjas. A somewhat benevolent Akatsuki if you will.

After making an example out of the most powerful villages by means of complete and unexpected annihilation, especially Leaf due to its high concentration of powerful combatants, we would start a brutal culling campaign of any jounin level and above ninja.

We could've rebuilt everything from the ashes after breaking up the clan system, wide scale propaganda and indoctrination, as well as mandatory education for ninja and civilians alike. In 4-5 generations, we would've been left with our slice of Elemental Nations that had at least a post industrial revolution equivalent, unified under our supreme ideology by a new generation that grew up under constant propaganda in every facet of their lives, backed by the threat of what are basically nukes.

Democracy, abolition of slavery, abolition of serfdom etc. none of these were achieved without millions of deaths in real history. Of course, it isn't very rational to expect a mostly subsistence farming feudal society to come up with modern ideas on their own, but with the help of the hivemind it would be possible to bypass these limitations. In the end, it is worth it to sacrifice some 10-20k ninja lives for the untold millions of the next generations.
 
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Looking at our own world's history, no meaningful change was ever enacted nor status quo broken without copious amounts of violence and bloodshed.
Looking at our own history, no meaningful change was ever enacted (as far as I know) by a handful of teenagers working in isolation with no access to significant resources or information.

More broadly speaking, I think you are overlooking the countless times you would have died as missing-nin in a death world without allies and with the entire world as your declared enemy.

Edit: I also wouldn't mind seeing some citations for those millions of deaths. Many of the things you cite were established back when we lived in a world whose population wouldn't even have sustained millions of deaths.
 
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Looking at our own history, no meaningful change was ever enacted (as far as I know) by a handful of teenagers working in isolation with no access to significant resources or information.

More broadly speaking, I think you are overlooking the countless times you would have died as missing-nin in a death world without allies and with the entire world as your declared enemy.
That's why you hide very deep and very far until you have the power. Anonymity is the best tool.

Most of the disadvantages of traveling in a deathworld were negated when skywalkers were invented, and I doubt anyone would find you deep in Snow or in some forgotten island chain. With the invention of a WMD equivalent, it would make sense to just go 10-20 kilometers above a hidden village and simultaneously erase the most powerful of them from existence with coordinated airstrikes. You can probably wipe off all of the hidden villages with none the wiser within a week. Especially since information moves very slowly in feudal societies. Due to the hivemind, we are basically an out of context problem for the inhabitants of narutoverse. You cannot defend against the unexpected after all.

If we hid after inventing skywalkers and perfected a WMD, we would've flipped over the board that is the Elemental Nations and build whatever we want from the ashes.
 
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@EternityWarrior Even ignoring the whole wipe out most of civilization and rule over the corpse like a comic book super villain thing, there is still the practical concern of anything lethal and esoteric enough to murder all the strong people in one shot is likely to break the continent it's pointed at or turn it into elditch horror.
 
That's why you hide very deep and very far until you have the power. Anonymity is the best tool.

Most of the disadvantages of traveling in a deathworld were negated when skywalkers were invented, and I doubt anyone would find you deep in Snow or in some forgotten island chain. With the invention of a WMD equivalent, it would make sense to just go 10-20 kilometers above a hidden village and simultaneously erase the most powerful of them from existence with coordinated airstrikes. You can probably wipe off all of the hidden villages with none the wiser within a week. Especially since information moves very slowly in feudal societies. Due to the hivemind, we are basically an out of context problem for the inhabitants of narutoverse. You cannot defend against the unexpected after all.

If we hid after inventing skywalkers and perfected a WMD, we would've flipped over the board that is the Elemental Nations and build whatever we want from the ashes.
That's how you get killed by the Akatsuki (who all had flying mounts thanks to Itachi, Pain, and Deidara) or for that matter any S Ranker with Space Time bullshit or something like the Condor Scroll. For that matter, Akatsuki would've just won Nagi island without us for intel. Same way we would never have received the Dog Scroll and thus been able to intercept the DRAGONWAR
 
Democracy, abolition of slavery, abolition of serfdom etc. none of these were achieved without millions of deaths in real history. Of course, it isn't very rational to expect a mostly subsistence farming feudal society to come up with modern ideas on their own, but with the help of the hivemind it would be possible to bypass these limitations. In the end, it is worth it to sacrifice some 10-20k ninja lives for the untold millions of the next generations.

You have a funny way of looking at things. I think of revolutions as bad. If you can change your society without needing revolutions or murdering kings, it means that your society is more stable and is able to adapt to changes.

Otherwise you end up like the Soviet Union.
 
@Velorien @eaglejarl
Hello! Long time reader here, interested in taking a more active role in the quest. I've never voted for anything on SV before and am not entirely sure how the whole process works. (I only started commenting on this site with any frequency a several weeks ago). I also don't really know the etiquete for the site or this thread in particular (I've been going off the Reddiqutte when writing my comments but I should probably know the real deal if I'm going to be more active). What should I be aware of? What, besides the Rules doc, should I look at before I get started? Is it ok to ask the QMs questions like this directly or should I ask them to the general thread first?
Welcome! Lovely to have you. Other people have already answered all of your questions and I don't have anything useful to add, except perhaps for the direct links to SV's Rules and our post #2 which has all the MfD rules/stunts/etc in it.

Have fun, and do drop by the Discord at some point.
 
Welcome! Lovely to have you. Other people have already answered all of your questions and I don't have anything useful to add, except perhaps for the direct links to SV's Rules and our post #2 which has all the MfD rules/stunts/etc in it.

Have fun, and do drop by the Discord at some point.
Already joined the discord! Thank you for having me. I'm quite excited to join such a fun community.
 
@EternityWarrior Even ignoring the whole wipe out most of civilization and rule over the corpse like a comic book super villain thing, there is still the practical concern of anything lethal and esoteric enough to murder all the strong people in one shot is likely to break the continent it's pointed at or turn it into elditch horror.
I mean, is there anything called an actual civilization in the Elemental Nations? We're literally talking about a society consisting of subsistence farming peasants, where height of industry is workshops centralized in literal villages that are headed by a dictatorship. Even if you destroy everything, it isn't that important. You can easily start from scratch and build a world befitting your vision without losing much, since there wasn't any meaningful civilization to begin with.

You have a funny way of looking at things. I think of revolutions as bad. If you can change your society without needing revolutions or murdering kings, it means that your society is more stable and is able to adapt to changes.

Otherwise you end up like the Soviet Union.

I don't think there is a single society that one day decided they would change. French had "the" Revolution, America had the revolution and the civil war, most of Europe had two world wars. I'm not even getting into brutal civil wars in Asia. Only reason our world isn't having a new world war every couple of decades is nuclear weapons and the resulting mutually assured destruction.
 
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