What do we want to do for Thursday's update? Seems to me that our next step for Dragon war is to figure out what we need to learn and what to outsource(for now). Next is to either focus on fixing the Goketsu dynamic and getting Hazo much needed rest.

However, I do want to work on Doggos gold at some point.
 
What do we want to do for Thursday's update? Seems to me that our next step for Dragon war is to figure out what we need to learn and what to outsource(for now). Next is to either focus on fixing the Goketsu dynamic and getting Hazo much needed rest.

However, I do want to work on Doggos gold at some point.
We can combine Doggo gold and Hazō's rest pretty effectively into one update.
Hazō sat down, leaning back against Cannai's warm back, and relaxed. The Boss had given permission for this during one of the many debriefings they'd had while Hazō and the diplomatic team were making their journey to the west; Hazō took care not to abuse the privilege but both of them found it calming. Perhaps a little too calming, actually. The warmth, the soft fur, and the slow rhythm of Cannai's breathing calmed his body's aches a tiny bit and could easily lull him to sleep if he wasn't careful.
All we'd have to do is add a few words to the gold section. Perhaps:
'while there, snuggle with Cannai'
 
What do we want to do for Thursday's update? Seems to me that our next step for Dragon war is to figure out what we need to learn and what to outsource(for now). Next is to either focus on fixing the Goketsu dynamic and getting Hazo much needed rest.

However, I do want to work on Doggos gold at some point.
I agree that we should do all of the above, mostly in that order, but I think Velorien is auto-completing the last plan as Thursday's update.
 
Note: 1 round in FtD is 3 seconds, not 6, changing your calculations to about 25m per zone and 3540 casts. I also think you might have confused sets of 10 casts (Hazou spending his entire chakra reserve) with single casts, and thus estimated the job as 10x as easy as it really is.

By my calculations it costs about 92,000 chakra to cast Tunnel Excavation the 3540 times it would take to make a complete tunnel. Still, partial tunnels help.
Each cast of Tunnel Excavation lasts for 1 minute or 20 rounds. At Effect 1, each round the jutsu is active we can tunnel one zone. This means we can tunnel 20 zones per cast, I actually don't think it changes the calculation at all. Since the zones are half as long, but we can tunnel for twice as many rounds.
 
I don't think we should try to get doggo gold.

Cannai, to me, seemed to catch on the it would be valuable, but steered the conversation away at that point (assuming he wasn't trolling. I don't think he was, but honestly it's hard to tell). I think trying to push to get it wouldn't be likely to work. Certainly, the last time we had a deal for 7th path gold it went on a very particular direction, and if anyone caught wind of the deal, it would raise red flags. The fact that we don't have much to offer that I can think of, and the dogs are currently busy (Dragon war plus watching the near-pangolin border) means I can't see them making this a priority.
Also, at some point I'd have concerns about inflation, though I haven't sat down to look at the numbers (that's a lie, but we're past marked for economics and I'm no Rihaku). A sudden influx of gold is exactly the sort of thing to destabilize the economy, which Asuma has already... Advised against.

I think that we're better off investing in businesses that produce revenue, rather than extracting gold. Though it was be hilarious (read: awful) if this led to 7th path clans fighting over gold because they think they can trade it to us for us to give them superweapons (which isn't even particularly inaccurate).
 
I don't think we should try to get doggo gold.

Cannai, to me, seemed to catch on the it would be valuable, but steered the conversation away at that point (assuming he wasn't trolling. I don't think he was, but honestly it's hard to tell). I think trying to push to get it wouldn't be likely to work. Certainly, the last time we had a deal for 7th path gold it went on a very particular direction, and if anyone caught wind of the deal, it would raise red flags. The fact that we don't have much to offer that I can think of, and the dogs are currently busy (Dragon war plus watching the near-pangolin border) means I can't see them making this a priority.
Also, at some point I'd have concerns about inflation, though I haven't sat down to look at the numbers (that's a lie, but we're past marked for economics and I'm no Rihaku). A sudden influx of gold is exactly the sort of thing to destabilize the economy, which Asuma has already... Advised against.

I think that we're better off investing in businesses that produce revenue, rather than extracting gold. Though it was be hilarious (read: awful) if this led to 7th path clans fighting over gold because they think they can trade it to us for us to give them superweapons (which isn't even particularly inaccurate).
We already underwent inflation with the amount of scrips we printed, especially since Leaf promised to pay the face value of gold. If anything, Fire country is suffering from the lack of coinage to match our scrips. Also, we could raise concerns with Asuma and his advisors about the amount of gold incoming if you think it's so detrimental.

The dogs are busy with what? They aren't really mobilizing any more amount of doggos to deal with the dragons, and they may be worried about the pangolins but the pangolins aren't near us.

Anyway, the whole point of getting Doggos gold is that we trade for resources Leaf and the Goketsu needs in exchange for goods that they may consider valuable, whether that's doggos chew toys or meat or whatever.

Then we keep going down the list of trade partners, like spiders and bears. Even if they can't directly trade with us, they can trade through doggos diplomats.
 
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I don't think we should try to get doggo gold.

Cannai, to me, seemed to catch on the it would be valuable, but steered the conversation away at that point (assuming he wasn't trolling. I don't think he was, but honestly it's hard to tell). I think trying to push to get it wouldn't be likely to work. Certainly, the last time we had a deal for 7th path gold it went on a very particular direction, and if anyone caught wind of the deal, it would raise red flags. The fact that we don't have much to offer that I can think of, and the dogs are currently busy (Dragon war plus watching the near-pangolin border) means I can't see them making this a priority.
Also, at some point I'd have concerns about inflation, though I haven't sat down to look at the numbers (that's a lie, but we're past marked for economics and I'm no Rihaku). A sudden influx of gold is exactly the sort of thing to destabilize the economy, which Asuma has already... Advised against.

I think that we're better off investing in businesses that produce revenue, rather than extracting gold. Though it was be hilarious (read: awful) if this led to 7th path clans fighting over gold because they think they can trade it to us for us to give them superweapons (which isn't even particularly inaccurate).
I think that we should pursue gold, but do it slowly and carefully. We shouldn't try to make an extremely large amount of money by quickly selling a large amount of gold. Instead, we should slowly start selling small to medium sized amounts (maybe even set up a fake gold mine) over the course of several months. That way, we can actually get some money out of this.

There might be disagreement over exactly how cautious we should be and how much gold we should sell, but I think selling a small amount can be done risk free with proper precautions and is thus a no brained.

I agree with you that's we should invest in business that supply a steady amount of revenue. I think a great way to get the capital to do that is to sell a small to medium amount of gold.
 
I think that we should pursue gold, but do it slowly and carefully. We shouldn't try to make an extremely large amount of money by quickly selling a large amount of gold. Instead, we should slowly start selling small to medium sized amounts (maybe even set up a fake gold mine) over the course of several months. That way, we can actually get some money out of this.

There might be disagreement over exactly how cautious we should be and how much gold we should sell, but I think selling a small amount can be done risk free with proper precautions and is thus a no brained.

I agree with you that's we should invest in business that supply a steady amount of revenue. I think a great way to get the capital to do that is to sell a small to medium amount of gold.

No. We should be farming more food. Investment into businesses take too long to deal with the famine. It's a good idea for the long run, but not our immediate concern of financial collapse and Leaf instability.
 
No. We should be farming more food. Investment into businesses take too long to deal with the famine. It's a good idea for the long run, but not our immediate concern of financial collapse and Leaf instability.
You're right; we should probably focus on investing in food and agriculture right now instead of long term revenue sources.

Still, I think that a moderate influx of capital from selling a small amount of gold in the short term would still help us make that kind of investment. We really don't have that much capital right now and will have a hard time investing as is.
 
I love the doggos, but reading the chapter reminded me that Hazo would work very well with Spider summon. Maybe once we unlock Shadow Clone v.2 (it's all hivemind)
 
I think Konoha's situation is such that a short-term influx in gold is well worth the medium- or long-term costs of having that extra gold on the market.

Improving agricultural output is worth pursuing but it will take months to make a noticeable difference to all the starving people right now, whereas a gold influx could lower the damage right then and there.
 
I think Konoha's situation is such that a short-term influx in gold is well worth the medium- or long-term costs of having that extra gold on the market.

Improving agricultural output is worth pursuing but it will take months to make a noticeable difference to all the starving people right now, whereas a gold influx could lower the damage right then and there.

It really depends on what we're growing. I seen some crops that takes as little as thirty days to grow.
 
From what I can tell, the issue is not that there isn't enough food, it's that the cost of food/other stuff has skyrocketed due to the shaky status of the market caused by the scrip situation. Scrip is supposedly backed by Tower gold, so the Tower having more actual gold would stabilize the market.
 
We should try for the most impactful and time efficient solutions first.

That mean Doggos gold, other summon path trader partners, indoor farms, and finally further investments.
 
I'd love to go long term, but people are starving now and if we don't do something about it, no one will. So yes I think we should go get gold from Doggos. We should do it the instant we have a break from keeping Dragons from [REDACTED] the entire world.
 
No. We should be farming more food. Investment into businesses take too long to deal with the famine. It's a good idea for the long run, but not our immediate concern of financial collapse and Leaf instability.
Note that it's currently the end of November.

It really depends on what we're growing. I seen some crops that takes as little as thirty days to grow.
What would those be? I was trying to find fast-growing items for a thing I was writing a while back and couldn't come up with anything faster than 90 days at the absolute minimum.
 
I'd love to go long term, but people are starving now and if we don't do something about it, no one will. So yes I think we should go get gold from Doggos. We should do it the instant we have a break from keeping Dragons from [REDACTED] the entire world.
we just secured that break

also I wanna ask the Bears about their Scroll again so securing a trade deal with them could go with that. (Then again, it's just another meeting scene and if we're gonna do boring old meeting scenes I have others I'd prefer to knock out first) ((Then again then again, we could offscreen this kind of thing and just have the QMs infodump whatever the Bears say)) (((((((((THEN AGAIN THE BEARS ARE PARTY ANIMALS SO THAT KIND OF MEETING ACTUALLY SOUNDS PRETTY FUN, LIKE IS NEGOTIATING WITH THEM JUST DOING ECSTASY OR WHAT?!?!)))))))))
 
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I would inquire if Leaf's mines actually do have the situation under control first. They might be increasing their capacity to mine slowly or they might need help. I'd ask Asuma first either way, before we try and acquire 7th path gold.

It might be a issue of lack of civilian miners or collapsed tunnel or something.

Also, it's about time we tugged on the Karasu Seal plot hook. I'm willing to bet that they'll be useful for providing experience in working with the probably more difficult Bijuu seals.
 
we just secured that break

also I wanna ask the Bears about their Scroll again so securing a trade deal with them could go with that. (Then again, it's just another meeting scene and if we're gonna do boring old meeting scenes I have others I'd prefer to knock out first) ((Then again then again, we could offscreen this kind of thing and just have the QMs infodump whatever the Bears say)) (((((((((THEN AGAIN THE BEARS ARE PARTY ANIMALS SO THAT KIND OF MEETING ACTUALLY SOUNDS PRETTY FUN, LIKE IS NEGOTIATING WITH THEM JUST DOING ECSTASY OR WHAT?!?!)))))))))
Oh yeah, next plan. I think we should set up meetings with as many boss summons as possible Cannai, Kumokugo, Monkey etc, and pitch Crusader idea. We can ask Cannai about gold at his meeting.
Would other ninja villages (or perhaps civilian cities) be interested in trading food for gold? (This is a rhetorical question)

Better question, how long would it take for several ninja to facilitate a trade and transport the goods to and from Konoha?
Probably not very long with storage seals, we need about ~50 (metric) tons of rice a day to feed Konoha, that's ~500 storage seals. We could be doing that easily. Assuming we have 3 ninja to un/load the seals, and we un/load 4 seals a minute, that takes ~90 minutes to un/load 50 tons of grain.
What would those be? I was trying to find fast-growing items for a thing I was writing a while back and couldn't come up with anything faster than 90 days at the absolute minimum.
Apparently lettuce, but realistically we need many tons of grain. We will not be feeding all of Leaf on lettuce. Unless MfD cereal crops are not like IRL ones, and given the eastern theme I'd say we're looking at growing rice. Which takes 120 days, according to the Internet. Realistically, at this time of the year, we're going to have to buy it from other countries. No real way about it, we simply cannot produce rice on the scale necessary, we need ~50 tons of rice every day to feed Leaf.

@eaglejarl @Velorien am I correct in assuming, that like IRL Asian countries, rice is the overwhelmingly predominant crop and the staple of the MfD diet?
 
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Got an idea.

Why not level craftsmanship (calligraphy) and use ice as a temporary mockup for the great seal? Would need to control the temperature to maintain it, but it should be easier to work with than granite, no?

Speaking of which. If food is out, why not gather Ice? Besides being used for food, it would be useful for Ice-packs. Could be useful to med-nin.

I can see usage for Air conditioning too.
 
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Probably not very long with storage seals, we need about ~50 (metric) tons of rice a day to feed Konoha, that's ~500 storage seals. We could be doing that easily. Assuming we have 3 ninja to un/load the seals, and we un/load 4 seals a minute, that takes ~90 minutes to un/load 50 tons of grain.
This seems like the beginning of a plan. I'd personally recommend we discuss how we are going to distribute the food to the population with Asuma. He'd probably be able to sort out the logistic way better than we can.
 
Got an idea.

Why not level craftsmanship (calligraphy) and use ice as a temporary mockup for the great seal? Would need to control the temperature to maintain it, but it should be easier to work with than granite, no?

Speaking of which. If food is out, why not gather Ice? Besides being used for food, it would be useful for Ice-packs. Could be useful to med-nin.

I can see usage for Air conditioning too.
Calligraphy doesn't let you do 3d carving so you still need someone to work from the diagram.
 
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