The trick is that what we did at the iron mine wasn't punching. It was aggressive action against other entities, but closer to bullying the poor little chakra beasts than anything else. Something only counts as punching when you can hype it up at least a little :D
 
The trick is that what we did at the iron mine wasn't punching. It was aggressive action against other entities, but closer to bullying the poor little chakra beasts than anything else. Something only counts as punching when you can hype it up at least a little :D

When Oneiros implied the Mine would be baby shit, EJ replied and I quote "challenge accepted" :p
 
Just be glad that you're not a meat person. If we breathe them in, the spores have a habit of taking root and starting to grow inside our lungs and nose. Very painful, generally fatal unless caught early and flushed with alcohol."

*innocent voice*

So, we might be able to do something with this.

If only we had a seal that could feasibly aerosolize a concentrated solution of alcohol...

Sigh. I'm not going to, but I really should put a gazillion-point penalty here for forcing me to admit that writing punching is no fun anymore because you guys have outgrown all the normal threats and it's difficult to justify throwing level-appropriate stuff at you. I guess I'll have to learn to enjoy...*gags*...politics and romance. :sadbird:
But we haven't dug too deep yet! : (
 
Without doing much work on making mineshafts...we do have Tunneling Excavation and Earth Clones capable of detonating explosives which expose stupid boxes. Are detonations along these lines viable?
 
Actually, in hindsight we can just use Tunneling Excavation to carve out mineshafts and have people come in from behind to set up safeties. We'd have to figure out where the soil is looser, but I'm pretty sure a combination of HLaM and Living Roots for scouting can do the job.
 
Rather than working with mineshafts, it might be a better idea to leverage all the explosive and storage seals and attempt Open-Pit mining. This form of mining strips the ground directly and exposes the buried ore. Some up and downsides are in the wiki article. Explosions should kill anything burrowed in the ground.

So I propose lots of blasting down into the ground with explosive seals until ore is exposed, then mine that way. With storage seals, take out all the extraneous dirt and rock (called the overburden) and dump it somewhere else. In the real world hauling away the overburden is problematic, but storage seals make this much less difficult.

Depending on whether bloodbriar, tanglethorn, and sickvine can survive compressed upon by tons of dug up overburden without access to sunlight/limited oxygen, it might be possible to reclaim the land by simply burying all the nuisance vegetation and restart with new ground. Though the blasted ground still might require some form of treatment.
 
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Rather than working with mineshafts, it might be a better idea to leverage all the explosive and storage seals and attempt Open-Pit mining. This form of mining strips the ground directly and exposes the buried ore.

So I propose lots of blasting down into the ground with explosive seals until ore is exposed, then mine that way. With storage seals, take out all the extraneous dirt and rock (called the overburden) and dump it somewhere else.

Depending on whether bloodbriar, tanglethorn, and sickvine can survive compressed upon by tons of dug up overburden without access to sunlight/limited oxygen, it might be possible to reclaim the land by simply burying all the nuisance vegetation and restart with new ground. Though the blasted ground still might require some form of treatment.
Not a bad idea. Maybe we could have Earth Clones use Tunneling Excavation to just go straight down while 'removing' dirt until they find a patch, and then do mining the old-fashioned way.

Edit: Actually, wait. Does Tunneling Exacavation still work if chakra monsters are in the area? Because we can just use that on the land's surface and have the tunnels we form just expose the sickweed for us to kill.
 
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Hazō frowned. "I thought that careful planning and preparation—Summoning Technique: Candoru!—was the cornerstone of professionalism?"

Poof!

"WHAT IN THE NAME OF BLOOD GRAVY WAS THAT?!"
"IT STABBED ME IN MY DINGUS!! WHO STABS A GUY IN THE DINGUS?!?!"
"I'll show you recharging, Toad boy. I'll recharge your ass right under that damn lake. I'll—"

"Sorry," Hazō said. "What was that, Candoru?"

"Nothing."

Candoru is a gem and I love him a lot.

"QM had fun" bonus: 0 Sigh. I'm not going to, but I really should put a gazillion-point penalty here for forcing me to admit that writing punching is no fun anymore because you guys have outgrown all the normal threats and it's difficult to justify throwing level-appropriate stuff at you. I guess I'll have to learn to enjoy...*gags*...politics and romance. :sadbird:


That just means that you'll have to start throwing hands, esoterically. An area where jinchuuriki-weirdness or a sealing failure left a huge chunk of land that blocks Summoning. Sleeping horrors that exist in the gradient mesh between the Painted World and the Out, only coming out to munch on people who fuck around with its den: the Fabric/Threads. Outer Beings taking an increased interest in the world. Jinchuuriki hearing about Project Uplift and fleeing their nation to join --causing political stuff that'll bring punching. A sealing master decides that Hazou is too dangerous and begins to deliberately set off sealing failures near the Goketsu Estate. One of Orochimaru's old experiments tries to bring his vengeance upon the Leaf by calling on her citizens to rise up against the Amoral Exile.

It is possible to reclaim this land but it will be a massive amount of work and definitely not economically viable solely for the iron mine. If you want the mine to work then you could bring in miners to dig a new shaft, which you would then have to inspect for infestation. You would need a large amount of ninja-hours to thoroughly blow up and burn fifty acres of land, then have pangolins roll across it very thoroughly or bring in hundreds of civilians to turn it over and dispose of all the sickweed roots. You would need to outfit them all with Purifier masks and there would probably still be some losses.
With storage seals, take out all the extraneous dirt and rock (called the overburden) and dump it somewhere else.

I'm down with that. And if we save the soil, we can fertilize it with that one jutsu as Till'n'Fill missions... plus or minus the old fashioned way (once we get the sewers up and runing, we could create modified storage scrolls to put at the ends and use that, too). That would render the mine... relatively economically viable while also laying down the foundations for good farmland.

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Edit: I mean, our sewers are going to have to be the size of an adult person, plus some room for maneuverability --if only for maintenance. And medicine in MfD isn't advanced enough to prevent Cholera --sure, it sounds obvious enough, but we didn't discover it until 1884. Well, 1854, technically, but the knowledge only became widespread after someone else independently discovered the information in '84 and then took steps to publicize the knowledge.

Anyway, point being, if we have sewers, we could easily start Cholera outbreaks in the Leaf, since there's a dissonance between what we know and what they know. So I propose that we get to work on a modified sealing scroll. Wet-proof (maybe using leather, the expensive kind that lasts for decades?), conditional auto-trigger (waste touches it), and maybe increased space. Between Hazou's non-debuffed sealing stat and Kagome's sheer awesomeness, that should be possible.

So we collect waste via the scrolls and then safely deposit it somewhere away from water sources... or turn the waste into compost and use it as fertilizer for the Mining Town's Farmland?
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Depending on whether bloodbriar, tanglethorn, and sickvine can survive compressed upon by tons of dug up overburden without access to sunlight/limited oxygen, it might be possible to reclaim the land by simply burying all the nuisance vegetation and restart with new ground. Though the blasted ground still might require some form of treatment.

Not sure if we want to bury chakra-plants under lot of soil. Chakra being the weird, inherently incomprehensible soft magic system that it is, that could just allow them to spread. I say that we use (at least) four Kagome-s of explosives and then just bring in new soil (from the mine, as you've described above) to be fertilized.
 
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I'm down with that. And if we save the soil, we can fertilize it with that one jutsu as Till'n'Fill missions... plus or minus the old fashioned way (once we get the sewers up and runing, we could create modified storage scrolls to put at the ends and use that, too). That would render the mine... relatively economically viable while also laying down the foundations for good farmland.

Not sure if we want to bury chakra-plants under lot of soil. Chakra being the weird, inherently incomprehensible soft magic system that it is, that could just allow them to spread. I say that we use (at least) four Kagome-s of explosives and then just bring in new soil (from the mine, as you've described above) to be fertilized.

Is mass-replacing soil for regular farmland a think? Because that might be something to look into in the future. Buy up unproductive/exhausted land and wholesale revitalize it. But that's a massive project on it's own.

My intention from the beginning of open-pit mining was to use that soil as the chakra-plants burying material. I suspect the nuisance plants need some exposure to the surface to survive over the long-term, even if powered by chakra. Else they'd not need to be at the surface at all. They're probably similar to a lot of weeds that way, very resilient to damage and keeps their main body below the ground for safety. But bury them in sufficient material and even they can't survive over a long enough period. (But this is all speculation, the safest method is to do actual testing)

It is possible to reclaim this land but it will be a massive amount of work and definitely not economically viable solely for the iron mine. If you want the mine to work then you could bring in miners to dig a new shaft, which you would then have to inspect for infestation. You would need a large amount of ninja-hours to thoroughly blow up and burn fifty acres of land, then have pangolins roll across it very thoroughly or bring in hundreds of civilians to turn it over and dispose of all the sickweed roots.

Advantage of the open-pit method would be killing all the worms infesting the mine tunnels and not needing to deal with digging new tunnels or inspecting the infestation. Blast (and blast again for safety) to kill the worms, and move the overburden on top of the chakra-plants area. Instead of dealing with the mine and land reclamation separately, the two would complement each other. Likely the same amount of ninja-hours required for the blow up and bury, but less pangolins to roll the land and less civilians to reclaim.
 
Edit: I mean, our sewers are going to have to be the size of an adult person, plus some room for maneuverability --if only for maintenance. And medicine in MfD isn't advanced enough to prevent Cholera --sure, it sounds obvious enough, but we didn't discover it until 1884. Well, 1854, technically, but the knowledge only became widespread after someone else independently discovered the information in '84 and then took steps to publicize the knowledge.

Anyway, point being, if we have sewers, we could easily start Cholera outbreaks in the Leaf, since there's a dissonance between what we know and what they know. So I propose that we get to work on a modified sealing scroll. Wet-proof (maybe using leather, the expensive kind that lasts for decades?), conditional auto-trigger (waste touches it), and maybe increased space. Between Hazou's non-debuffed sealing stat and Kagome's sheer awesomeness, that should be possible.

So we collect waste via the scrolls and then safely deposit it somewhere away from water sources... or turn the waste into compost and use it as fertilizer for the Mining Town's Farmland?

As long water from the aqueduct don't interact with the outgoing sewer water, we should be fine. No need to overthink this.
 
Just curious does anyone have problems working with Kabuto on project necromancy?

Do you think it would look better if we assembled a team of necrovengers necromancers first? We got uplift, and we could recruit Shikamaru and Ino, and anyone else we think might be interested/useful. We could all visit him together and probe him for ideas together, casting less suspicion on us individually.
 
Do you think it would look better if we assembled a team of necrovengers necromancers first?
Yes.

Clearly we need to go grab that Jashin cultist kid and Hidan.

Maybe the rest of Akatsuki too.

And Orochimaru.

Now that we have everyone with first hand resurrection experience on the team, we can attempt to persuade Kabuto.
 
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Personally, I'd like to avoid necromancy in the short & medium term. Too much potential to get entirely out of hand, and if works it's not like rushing the project will matter right?
 
Personally, I'd like to avoid necromancy in the short & medium term. Too much potential to get entirely out of hand, and if works it's not like rushing the project will matter right?
One OOC factor to consider is that I have issued a 1000XP bounty for Jiraiya's return to the story, with the bounty declining every IRL day.
 
I don't mean to criticize but this seems inconsistent.

I noticed that as well but the way I made sense of it was like this: the summon itself would be the one to decide whether going back was feasible or not, and that it wasn't an inherent block on the summoning technique itself.

From a gameplay perspective, I also figured that the strength/size of the summon also determines how much (mental) damage the summons take if they are killed on the Human Path. Someone as young, small and - more importantly - obstinate as Candoru would probably keep answering the summon, even if it incurred maluses on the Human Path until they had enough time on the Seventh Path to recuperate (the time of which would again be based on size/strength).

Just my theory though.
 
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