What blood and what chakra? Literally the only remaining connection we have is the summoning scroll Noburi is about to overwrite.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
What blood and what chakra? Literally the only remaining connection we have is the summoning scroll Noburi is about to overwrite.
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The blood on the scroll doesn't go away when another person signs it. You just write on a new line. We have his chakra from seals he infused.
Oh, awesome, we can start looking forward to his final bequest randomly blowing up in our faces!
There are lots of names on the scroll. There is exactly one whose connection is currently overridingly dominant and about to be tragically obliterated for absolutely no reason in, oh, hours.
Thank heavens we consulted with literally anybody before proceeding with this plan.
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Are you implying Hazou is the only one who knows Noburi is signing the toad scroll? Pretty much anyone we would consult already knows, besides maybe Orochimaru.
It's kinda too late since voting is closed but what else do you have planned for the toad scroll?
Edit: plus, for all we know, the connection fades when the summoner dies.
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The scroll is not usable in such way: the last time we saw part of it ended in system crash for Hazou brain. We cannot make use of Jiraiya connection to it in any way, shape or form and Asuma is not going to let us sit on a scroll until we have sealing 100.
It was "Use the Scroll" or "The Hokage takes the scroll"
How many lateral-thinking-focused protagonists have both advanced research-quality sealing specialities plus the resources to explore the deep, S-Class hidden exoteric, plus the original scroll somebody managed to obtain the ownership of without seizing it for themselves, plus decades of recorded personal experience interpreting it as the literally world-class expert in the matter while his second, his brother, and his third, his sister, remain available resources? 'Cause, y'know, I feel like this might have come up before the most recent vote.
Yeah, it's not like we could buy time with the Dog scroll or Asuma isn't eager to start a conflict with either Orochimaru or Tsunade or something...
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Lailoken, can you please stop obsessing over a link that we have absolutely no evidence exists and can probably assume doesn't simply by the fact that they can't simply reverse summon a dead summoner.
Any link which did exist was focused by their blood, so breaks when they die, as that blood is no longer connected to them, as their body is no longer connected to them. Simple.
Any link which did exist was focused by their blood, so breaks when they die, as that blood is no longer connected to them, as their body is no longer connected to them. Simple.
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Not when it involves bringing Jiraiya back.
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But that's my point. It doesn't. You're chasing a shadow. I suspect that something set up for the purpose of bringing someone back could be successfully prepared and used to that end if needed. Orochimaru seems to have that kind of thing.
The summoning scroll is not that, and lacks several key elements that would allow it to be used as such. It simply doesn't contain the information needed to revive Jiraiya.
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Have you even read comic books? The guy is literally known for inventing them!
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What? Asuma wants all the scrolls active, having the Dog Scroll is unrelated to having the Toad Scroll. If a Scroll isn't used, it's going to be taken. It' just common sense in the EN. Tsunade would just agree and punch us until we start using it, Orochimaru doesn't care, not enought to even stop his research.
Even if it would work, and it would not, it wouldn't buy enough time to reach even Sealing 60
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Comic books feature resurrections with absolutely no cause, nonsensical causes, causes that might make sense if you squint a little, causes that make sense but break the entire setting if applied logically, etc.
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- Europe
We did inherit his position as clan head and got his name legally. So that should count for something.
something something names are powerful something something magic
If we want to understand something about the larger universe we might want to talk to a bunch of priests/monks and try to figure out what myths hold truths in them.
Kagome was largely right so far with his conspiracy theories, so weird ramblings are useful.
I'm perfectly happy to find out that a right-wing predisposition to the omnis- I'm depressed Honda parts on the Bratz omnivorous- omnibiance suspiciously-forgotten Naruto-non-canon experience. Can we toss in some Gatling-kunai Arial Ariel Ariel Ariel Ariel- fuck speech recognition- launchers?
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@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail, some questions:
On Summoning Scrolls, there's a list of names of all previous Summoners and the current one, written in blood. Does the name of the current Summoner visibly differ from those of the previous ones, such as by being brighter or glowing a tacky ominous red? If there is such a difference, does the Toad Scroll currently consider Jiraiya a "previous summoner" or the "current summoner"?
On Summoning Scrolls, there's a list of names of all previous Summoners and the current one, written in blood. Does the name of the current Summoner visibly differ from those of the previous ones, such as by being brighter or glowing a tacky ominous red? If there is such a difference, does the Toad Scroll currently consider Jiraiya a "previous summoner" or the "current summoner"?
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Thank you [CCnJ, Nara version: Actual appreciation of effort spent on subject that was already known]. I did know where Moon was, and what it was. I meant if there was a discord conversation leading to a "we should invade Moon" conclusion, or if it was a meme I was missing, or if MMKII literally just had the idea, thought it was crazy, and then immediately posted it.
Other people have pointed out the difficulty with using that connection, if it even exists, and how stalling for time wouldn't get us remotely enough time to get good enough at sealing to be able to use it. We only Just got rid of the major malus. But, I also don't think trying to buy time that way would work, since Noburi's training was partially driven by what clan he'd be contracting with, and switching clans would push back when he was ready, which would increase the difficulty of selling us being able to do that.
I think that (Watsonian) comparing Noburi's hurt, everyone else's ire at us doing it, is an easy bargain if it meant getting Jiraiya back, but we have to weigh certainly of the negative results with very slim changes of positive. Likewise, (Doylist) taking away EJ's chance to write Hazou with the dogs, which he's expressed interest in, and stopping what is already a successfully voted plan would need to have a high burden of likely payoff.
Emstar
The Shining One
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An artifact that takes person from plane A to plane B is pretty much what we want. In this respect, cribbing some features from the summoning scroll (and likely Minato's Goddamn Notes ) is probably along the right track.
Its definitely crazy.
You would totally want to take over Crimson State Island instead. Look at that place, remote as hell, away from all the lunatics, easily defendable, etc etc.
What the hell even goes on over there?
@Shrooms poked the discord chat fo post crazy ideas in thread, and so I obliged.
Its definitely crazy.
You would totally want to take over Crimson State Island instead. Look at that place, remote as hell, away from all the lunatics, easily defendable, etc etc.
What the hell even goes on over there?
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Tua
鸡肉面条汤
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Crimson = Red = Uzumaki hair = Front for Hidden Whirlpool = Paradise of Sealing = Ability to summon the Death God = Win social combat to make him release Jiraiya
I mean, at least try to ask harder questions. Like how to not accidentally treason.
Emstar
The Shining One
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The answer is clearly to grow out our facial hair and praise Jashin.
Checkmate, atheists.
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- Europe
Tua
鸡肉面条汤
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- شوربة الدجاج المعكرونة
We should send them a scroll informing them of that, then.
Not under Asuma's name without asking him, obviously. Because that'd be treason.
No, under our own name. And then we can declare ourselves Hohokage as the sovereign leader of Crimson State Island.
And guess who can't commit treason anymore? Us. Because we are no longer subservient to Asuma so we can act like his equal and do whatever we want.
Obviously we'd have to annex the land our compound is on and declare it to be territory of the Crimson State Island. Could potentially be a problem, but I have it on good authority that Asuma likes us
, so it'll be fine.
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There are no visible differences between the names.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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Just a billion identical instances of "Momochi Zabuza", eh?
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- Kiev, Ukraine
I personally would be very interested in learning names of previous Scroll owners and history behind these people. Like, say, who did Jiraiya got the Scroll from? Who was the first Toad/Dog/Pangolin/Condor Summoner? Are there other names we and/or Hazō would recognize?