My understanding is that you turned in the elemental natures study course plus all of the seal theory that you had decoded, with the promise that the rest will come in as soon as it's available. If anyone disagrees with that assessment, speak now or forever hold your peace.

EDIT based on Discord: More specifically, I think you did not turn in any seals. That's what I'm going with unless someone can point to a winning plan that says otherwise.
 
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My understanding is that you turned in the elemental natures study course plus all of the seal theory that you had decoded, with the promise that the rest will come in as soon as it's available. If anyone disagrees with that assessment, speak now or forever hold your peace.

EDIT based on Discord: More specifically, I think you did not turn in any seals. That's what I'm going with unless someone can point to a winning plan that says otherwise.
We did turn in seals. Here:
Mari will turn in stuff as voted in the most recent plan:
Let Asuma know we'll be contributing Jiraiya's seal notes (minus any game-changing seals) for the contest.
Note that this says "seal notes", not "seals". The carve-out doesn't make a lot of sense in that context, since it wouldn't have had you turning in any seals whatsoever. Here's the most generous interpretation that I can make; you can pay a Fate Point to make reasonable modifications:
  • You are going to turn in everything in Jiraiya's notes that Kagome has decoded by the end of the contest that:
    • ... Is theoretical work related to seals, or;
    • ... Is a seal that seems innocuous (eg the lantern seals), or;
    • ... Is a seal that isn't innocuous but also is not clearly overpowered (i.e., err on the side of turning it in)
  • ...and you will not turn in things that have not been decoded, since they might be game-changing seals.
EDIT: Obviously, you're not turning in things that you promised not to turn in, such as the stuff you gave the Da-whathisface guy.
We then voted to keep the submission plan as specified above. Here's the relevant chapter, for reference.
 
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"How to gain Earth affinity" isn't a jutsu by any reasonable stretch of the term, imo. It's justu-relevant, but Jiraiya only left Naruto his jutsu, not everything relevant to jutsu.
As we've seen with the useful portions of the spy network, just because Jiraiya didn't explicitly give it to anyone doesn't mean it belongs to us. So there is a risk of future outrage.
 
As we've seen with the useful portions of the spy network, just because Jiraiya didn't explicitly give it to anyone doesn't mean it belongs to us. So there is a risk of future outrage.

I'd say that since it's not clearly defined in his will --something that we know Jiraiya was thinking about towards the end --then there's room. We could give Naruto a copy of it, in a gesture goodwill, since Jiraiya is a shared father figure for Hazou and Naruto both. Jiraiya was under the assumption that we'd get along famously with Naruto and he probably assumed we'd share a lot of info back and forth with each other... unfortunately, without Jiraiya as a mediator, Hazou's a bit extreme --even for Naruto.
 
Voting is closed for prize preferences.

Voting is open for plans concerning the next update. @Velorien may choose to close the voting and instead write the parts of the previous plan that I did not get to.

Adhoc vote count started by eaglejarl on Jun 15, 2020 at 11:31 AM, finished with 49 posts and 13 votes.
 
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[X] Action Plan: Talk to Tsunade


Tsunade
  • Check plan with clan.
  • Sizeable donation(>= 1M ryo) to Tsunade's charity, delivered quietly.
  • Send someone appropriate(if not Hazo, then Mari, Noburi, or Akane)
  • Schedule a conversation with Tsunade at her convenience.
    • Goketsu Clan does Till'n'FIll missions and is looking into sending volunteer teachers. Would be great to coordinate with doctor's visit.
    • Will teach MEW to Med-nin so that they can do walls as well.
    • Proposal: Develop tool and techniques for civilian doctors
      • Ninja medicine is the most effective in the EN, but unfortunately not available to civilians.
      • Will be harder, but not impossible. Goketsu's contribution to the contest is proof of concept.
    • Did the Hyuga's deal fell to the wayside? We may be able to pick up some or all of what Hiashi promised.
      • If not, how can we aid your effort?
      • If we cannot, we'll be boosting Goketsu finance until this is possible.
    • Advice for Goketsu clinic?
Date Akane.
 
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[X] An Implosion of Steam

  • Go blow off some steam.
    • Punch/explode some chakra monsters near Konoha. Make it a mission if possible, otherwise go to the Forest of Death to do it.
    • Obviously tell the clan we're doing this, and that we'll back off if things get dangerous.
    • Maybe we can invite Lee and make a competition out of it? Surely chakra monster meat can be worth some food for the Church of Youth to use?
  • Group meeting: Mari, Kagome, Noburi, Akane, Yuno, Haru, Keiko. Security: high.
    • (Confirm with Mari/Keiko whether sharing information about BotG with Yuno is acceptable beforehand.)
    • Introduction:
      • Team Uplift's goal is to dramatically improve the living conditions of everyone in the world. So far, we've been focused on opposing and reshaping our civilization's self-destructive systems. That remains the main priority.
      • But, as several recent events showed, the problem runs deeper: reality itself is fragile. Pain's plan was world-ending. Whatever his intentions were, the fact that a world-altering event on this scale can actually happen is terrifying. For you, it threw into stark relief some of the fundamental truths glimpsed by Sealing.
      • The truth is, deliberate human actions aren't even necessary. Reality is keen on tearing itself apart on its own. The damage from that is often catastrophic, and could be arbitrarily large. Worse still are the things that lurk outside, and occasionally seep through these tears: horrors of unfathomable power and malice, some of which can casually snuff out our entire universe.
      • It's a terrible truth. We're meant to be cowed by it, stuck helpless with fear — the same way we're meant to be resigned to the EN's system of violence. As far as you're concerned, that is merely more of the same: another terrible thing we'll need to eventually fix.
      • And while directly working on it is far above our current pay grade, it doesn't mean we can't gather information.
    • We have a large selection of leads we could pursue, but we should focus on the most salient one: Pain.
      • Points of discussion:
        • Pain/Rinnegan's nature and powers.
        • The ritual's purpose.
        • "The Five, still sealed after a thousand years of sacrifice".
        • The fate of the lost bijuu.
        • The bird summon — an archaeopteryx?
      • Provide Kagome with the detailed description of the ritual site, ask for his analysis.
      • Yuno: Perhaps there's something relevant in Isan's cultural knowledge?
 
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[X] Training Hazou: Yama-not gonna pass this up
Yamanaka Training Jutsu: 50 XP
Chakra Reserves 26: 52 XP
Save 14 XP

[X] Training Keiko: Yama-not gonna pass this up
Yamanaka Training Jutsu: 50 XP
Save 55 XP

[X] Training Noburi: Yama-not gonna pass this up
Yamanaka Training Jutsu: 50 XP
Save 288 XP

[X] Training Akane: Yama-not gonna pass this up
Yamanaka Training Jutsu: 50 XP
Save 38 XP

Everyone has the XP for this, except Hazou who only has 72/102 as of the end of chapter 349, but if the XP award for chapter 350 (plus 5XP bounty) is 30 or greater (which is likely as it covered 11 days), then Hazou has enough XP for this plan as well.

edit: XP has been awarded, I can now confirm that everyone can afford these plans.
 
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Everyone has the XP for this, except Hazou who only has 72/102 as of the end of chapter 349, but if the XP award for chapter 350 (plus 5XP bounty) is 30 or greater (which is likely as it covered 11 days), then Hazou has enough XP for this plan as well.

There might be some XP coming from the bowling omake contest too, once we get more than one entry for it.
 
Some thoughts I posted a while ago on who would be best to give the Dog Scroll to. Don't forget to check what people said in response, to get a clearer view of prior hivemind opinion.
So, with the contest about to be timeskipped to completion, we should start considering what to do in the scenario where we win the Dog Scroll. To my understanding there are two main choices for who to have sign it: Hazou and Akane.

Who should get the scroll? A collection of thoughts on the various implications:
  • Whoever signs the Scroll is going to be sent on summoner missions.
    • This will lead to dangerous encounters, which may complicate FOOM if we need to divert XP to 'stay alive' stats instead of Resolve.
  • Being a Summoner allows for very direct participation in our various 7Path schemes, such as personally going to the 7Path to train/trade/treason/etc.
  • Whoever signs the Dog Scroll is essentially locked out from signing future Scrolls. If we come into possession of the Otter/Kraken/Kangaroo/etc. Scroll in the future we will be forced to give them to whoever has not signed the Dog Scroll.
    • The other side is that we do not know for sure that we will ever acquire another Scroll, so who we choose to not sign the Dog Scroll may forever remain not a summoner.
    • Thus, if you (for example) believe that Hazou would be better suited to the Otters, you would have to weigh (increase in utility from signing Otters * odds that we find Otters) against (decrease in utility from not signing Otters or Dogs * odds that we don't find Otters).
  • Itachi might consider Hazou to have broken his word to use the Porcupine Scroll for trade if he turns it in without even the plausible excuse that he was just swapping it for the Dog Scroll.
    • However, it is not implausible that Hazou could argue that having Akane be the summoner is just as good for such a purpose as Hazou being the summoner.
  • What we can expect of the given summon clan is also relevant. If one person works much better with the Dogs than another person does, that's an advantage.
    • Worth keeping in mind is that apparently the whole 'Pangolins conquering and enslaving the Condors' thing is some bad rep for the Goketsu on the Seventh Path.
  • At the end of all of this, we have to not just consider what we want, but what our clanwants. I would not want to make a unilateral decision if it would upset and alienate our teammates.
    • Though what I remember of the Toad Scroll assignment is that the de facto assumption was that Hazou, as Clan Head, would take the scroll for himself. That may hold true now and factor into their assessment of who ought to have the Scroll.
Between all of those points, here's how I think I'm feeling:
  • In terms of 7Path schemes, Hazou is more of a boon than Akane as Hazou is the one coming up with these schemes so can execute them directly.
  • The summoner missions are concerning unless we can find some good way to make sure we stay safe. I feel like with our plans to abuse Shadow Clone and copious Noburi refills we're probably fine there. Maybe.
  • My preference ordering between Dogs and Otters for Hazou and Akane is small enough that I don't want to let the acquisition of other Scrolls really enter considerations except as 'the other one might get this eventually'.
  • I worry that the Dogs will be very cross with the Goketsu enabling the Condor tragedy, and murderize Hazou for what he's done. Akane is more innocent regarding the trade deal, and I feel like she's more likely to persuade Boss Dog to not murderize if that's the situation.
  • I don't want to factor Itachi in too much, as we have plausible-ish excuses either way and I frankly don't want to meet him again if it isn't with overwhelming force on our side. Heckin essies.
  • Whatever we have Hazou's leanings be, we should definitely discuss it with the clan before making a final decision.
So overall I feel Hazou signing the Dog Scroll has a moderately stronger payout than Akane signing it, but carries a moderate amount more risk than Akane signing it. If we feel confident that the risks are not severe, I would suggest Hazou, but if we feel that the risks are severe we might want to let Akane sign it to optimize odds of things going well.
 
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