Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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They won't need to, though; just the time between them proposing the deal to Grass and Grass signing it. That's, what? Days? Not expensive, especially when comparing the costs of the bridge falling (which they will expect be attempted).
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Earth clones can use earth jutsu right? and they use Hazou's chakra? We should be able to have a pair of earth clones carry a stupid reasonable amount of explosives to the base of the cliff from both sides from far away using HLAM.
oooh... afterwards, do we want to sell a bridge to them? We can probably use 5SB to create a bridge where they couldn't, even if we only use the 5SB as scaffolding. Nah, that would cost us our deniability. But it would be super fun if we could pull it off.
oooh... afterwards, do we want to sell a bridge to them? We can probably use 5SB to create a bridge where they couldn't, even if we only use the 5SB as scaffolding. Nah, that would cost us our deniability. But it would be super fun if we could pull it off.
We only need to collapse the bridge from one side.
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The second one is for redundancy. What if they have the ability to detect intruders on one of the sides? Or something that can no-sell an explosion?
The bridge need not to connect to anything. OTOH, it doesn't matter what we do if they decided to construct a bridge using 5SBs.
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They could paint over the bridge and 5SB that.
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If the bridge is 5SB, we might be in trouble. Fortunately, simply observing the bridge being crossed should be enough to learn if the bridge itself is immobile. If there are reinforced pylons, that will probably require Living roots to figure out. They sense vibrations, and indestructible things should vibrate incorrectly. We should test out how buried 5SB objects interact with LR. Do they show up as a void? do they cast a shadow? Can they be detected at all?
Paint 5SB had never been tested, but ninja wire and wood laid on top of it was. If they could figure out our skytower, they can figure out how to bridge.
We can also use it to build temporary bridges if someone decided to blow ours. We could submit that as a contribution along with a tested bridge design.
It's a stone bridge, I don't expect much to happen.
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5SB is only as indestructible as the seals. Find them, take them out, and win. I suppose they could have the line of paint leading off, place all five seals around that remote point, place a sphere of something around that, and then have a clone 5SB the sphere from the inside, but that should be very noticeable.
The forest is half a mile(Or 800ish meters) away from the bridge. If you expect us to be able to ambush our enemies, don't.
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Underwater demolition of the bridge could work, but we have three problems:
Training: No ninja that we know of are trained in underwater demolition and all the skills needed to attach explosives in the dark in potentially dangerous water. Water itself is dangerous, and it's easy for panicking ninja to die.
Equipment: We probably don't have waterproof masks for tunneler's friend and purifier. Using the mouth to store our seals is a potential sealing failure due to the caustic environment that is our mouth. Also uncomfortable. Also bitty teeth.
Intelligence: We don't know the condition of the river. Could be crystal clear, murky, still or turbulent.
Ironically, IRL Navy SEALs are better equipped and trained to complete this mission using this attack vector. Assuming that they don't get eaten by the local chakra beast.
Training: No ninja that we know of are trained in underwater demolition and all the skills needed to attach explosives in the dark in potentially dangerous water. Water itself is dangerous, and it's easy for panicking ninja to die.
Equipment: We probably don't have waterproof masks for tunneler's friend and purifier. Using the mouth to store our seals is a potential sealing failure due to the caustic environment that is our mouth. Also uncomfortable. Also bitty teeth.
Intelligence: We don't know the condition of the river. Could be crystal clear, murky, still or turbulent.
Ironically, IRL Navy SEALs are better equipped and trained to complete this mission using this attack vector. Assuming that they don't get eaten by the local chakra beast.
Crazy idea, but this would be a rigid stone and mortar structure built without modern earthquake standards. We might be able to just Tesla the thing. Rig a banshee slayer to shake the object they're attached to with a broad spectrum and mount earmuffs and silence mines to do it quietly. If you want to get fancy you could measure the frequencies which come back to find the structure's resonance and even just one tuned to it might well be enough to inexplicably make it shake itself to rubble in what appears to be completely natural failures at its most fragile points.
Basically, the same thing I've been saying about vibroblades for ages.
It might not even be necessary to target the bridge. The bottom of the ravine would seem to be a prime candidate for liquefaction. The resulting collapse might be enough to take out the bridge, and the resulting dam would form a reservoir which would enhance further erosion.
If we could get a mobile frame for force walls rigged up it might be possible to just drop giant sky knives on the bridge and slice it to pieces.
Alternatively, how fast can EM shift temperature? The thermal shock of a few really wild freeze-that cycles might do it in.
If a storage scroll doesn't have enough free area to discharge its contents into you risk a sealing failure.
The whole point of the bridge is to be heavily used by civilians, right? Why not just wrap a few dozen lamp-oil misterators around an SIN around a long-delay explosive tag and hide it on a passing wagon?
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Tunneling Excavation produces actual, permanent tunnels.
KAGOME et al: *attempts to kill Out-ingested Hazou*
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This is a really cool idea but I'd be concerned that we don't have a good way of testing this before trying it. And testing onsite extends our presence time severely.
Perhaps an option we should be ready for if we find the bridge completely undefended, but not the default.
It also requires getting very close.
Ideally for this mission:
1. We have a reliable long-range sensor (what long range sensors do we have in leaf?) that can identify ninja presence around the bridge. We camp at significant height/distance from the bridge for a day or so of observation, to hopefully identify if there's a ninja guard and when they rotate. Buy some telescopes?
2. If we do not detect any ninja presence (and one expects that any guards will not only contain full-stealth types, so good odds to see something if there's a guarding team), we have a relaxed timeline; can descend and look for accident-like ways of bringing it down like the banshee slayers / other vibrating seal. Only Kagome and his handler (Hazou) need descend (though with expecation of backup if combat occurs) to limit capture risk.
3. If we detect ninja presence on ground but not in the air, we bomb the bridge from significant height. Issues: at night time, it might be difficult to judge accuracy at distance. At daytime, it's likely we'll be visible and can be targetted with long range jutsu, plus expect civilian casualties. Also, using skywalkers for this is basically signing with 'yours faithfully, Leaf ninja'.
4. If we detect ninja presence in the air, we need to approach as standard infiltration mission - approach on ground (perhaps tunneling? but expect to be detected), take out grounded guards, plant ridiculous amount of explosives, GTFO, run away on skywalkers. (btw what happens to skywalker seals left behind in midair? are they consumed or does a blank drop onto the ground?
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I don't think we need to requisition additional ninja for this mission. We ultimately want to be able to handle these things in house. We shouldn't get used to purchasing basic capabilities.