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*ahem* I added the idea to check out Suna, and instilling Asuma as Hokage. Still iffy about the latter, if we do so it means Hiashi's out of comission which is a demonstration of weakness, and Asuma already has negotiating power...
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Other ideas....
1. Interrogate Orochimaru. Has anyone actually asked him if he knows anything about all this? Don't forget, he had access to a lot of intelligence on Akatsuki and others... he might well have recognized this capability.
2. Move to prevent Orochimaru from taking advantage of panic from the Rock threat to become Hokage.
-I mean, has anyone considered... Orochimaru comes home, the Hokage and senior clan leaders immediately die, then a "delegation from Rock" shows up to threaten us? Didn't he always want to be Hokage? Wouldn't this be a perfect time for him to make a move while the clans are panicked and leaderless? Does anyone really think he'll do *nothing* with this opportunity?
3. Verify that this delegation from Rock is actually from Rock. I mean, we're just taking them at their fucking word, aren't we? A bunch of ninjas show up wearing Rock headbands and with a story to tell.... no one recognizes these guys. And in all the confusion and panic, no one has done much to verify their identity, have they? Get out some fucking bingo books, dig up ninjas who know something about Rock, find a civilian merchant who did a trade mission there. Do something to verify that these even are Rock ninjas? Are we being bluffed?
(Got to admit, I like this one.)
1. Interrogate Orochimaru. Has anyone actually asked him if he knows anything about all this? Don't forget, he had access to a lot of intelligence on Akatsuki and others... he might well have recognized this capability.
2. Move to prevent Orochimaru from taking advantage of panic from the Rock threat to become Hokage.
-I mean, has anyone considered... Orochimaru comes home, the Hokage and senior clan leaders immediately die, then a "delegation from Rock" shows up to threaten us? Didn't he always want to be Hokage? Wouldn't this be a perfect time for him to make a move while the clans are panicked and leaderless? Does anyone really think he'll do *nothing* with this opportunity?
3. Verify that this delegation from Rock is actually from Rock. I mean, we're just taking them at their fucking word, aren't we? A bunch of ninjas show up wearing Rock headbands and with a story to tell.... no one recognizes these guys. And in all the confusion and panic, no one has done much to verify their identity, have they? Get out some fucking bingo books, dig up ninjas who know something about Rock, find a civilian merchant who did a trade mission there. Do something to verify that these even are Rock ninjas? Are we being bluffed?
(Got to admit, I like this one.)
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Not to our knowledge. This isn't canon-Orochimaru.
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- Yes.
Building on this: Where's the lumber merchant? We should interrogate them, Shirogane's speech implies that they were bringing him here.
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- Finland
How long does it take for an average ninja to travel between villages anyway? I mean, if a village gets attacked, the first day will go in figuring out what just happened and recovering what they can, the second day will go in reorganizing leadership (assuming the Kage isn't dead but important people are, if the Kage is dead then this takes much longer) and planning a response and this is the third day.
Well, obviously this is a 'relief force', but they probably have someone there given what they've said.
I find it unlikely Ami would agree to pretend that Mist is allied with Leaf without talking to anyone in Mist about it. It's worth ensuring that the Rock contingent sees that Ami, a Mist ninja, is here in Leaf peacefully - that's a good bluff - but nothing more than that is likely to be possible.
Orochimaru is a good idea. Make sure Rock knows he's around. Keiko can also summon a couple tough-looking Pangolins.
Not sure about Skywalkers, probably best to let Asuma decide what we do with those. I'm sure he's already investigating what exactly happened. I think the most important question is, assuming the attack can't be done without someone on site preparing it first, how did the attackers get under Leaf undetected. It's probably a safe bet to say that this sort of an attack is not a simple thing to orchestrate (if it is we're doomed anyway).
I'm assuming Rock is too far for an immediate mission, since we're talking time scales of a day, two at most before things come to a head. But a high-altitude Skywalker scout of this Rock 'relief force' would definitely be a good idea, and I'm assuming Asuma is going to order such. Worth mentioning anyway, even if it is pretty obvious. We should ask social specs (Mari) what they can tell about this Rock team, and what they're like; if they're not social-specced themselves then yes we can get a lot of information out of the negotiations and if they are, that tells us more about what Rock has planned.
Affirming Asuma as a Hokage quickly is a good idea. The Rock ninja know at this point that either the Hokage is dead or seriously injured, so it's not tipping our hand much and clear leadership is critical.
I don't know much about Leaf's current combat strength, but if the scouting mission on the Rock camp works out, we should also plan for potentially striking them pre-emptively and destroying their invasion force.
Well, obviously this is a 'relief force', but they probably have someone there given what they've said.
I find it unlikely Ami would agree to pretend that Mist is allied with Leaf without talking to anyone in Mist about it. It's worth ensuring that the Rock contingent sees that Ami, a Mist ninja, is here in Leaf peacefully - that's a good bluff - but nothing more than that is likely to be possible.
Orochimaru is a good idea. Make sure Rock knows he's around. Keiko can also summon a couple tough-looking Pangolins.
Not sure about Skywalkers, probably best to let Asuma decide what we do with those. I'm sure he's already investigating what exactly happened. I think the most important question is, assuming the attack can't be done without someone on site preparing it first, how did the attackers get under Leaf undetected. It's probably a safe bet to say that this sort of an attack is not a simple thing to orchestrate (if it is we're doomed anyway).
I'm assuming Rock is too far for an immediate mission, since we're talking time scales of a day, two at most before things come to a head. But a high-altitude Skywalker scout of this Rock 'relief force' would definitely be a good idea, and I'm assuming Asuma is going to order such. Worth mentioning anyway, even if it is pretty obvious. We should ask social specs (Mari) what they can tell about this Rock team, and what they're like; if they're not social-specced themselves then yes we can get a lot of information out of the negotiations and if they are, that tells us more about what Rock has planned.
Affirming Asuma as a Hokage quickly is a good idea. The Rock ninja know at this point that either the Hokage is dead or seriously injured, so it's not tipping our hand much and clear leadership is critical.
I don't know much about Leaf's current combat strength, but if the scouting mission on the Rock camp works out, we should also plan for potentially striking them pre-emptively and destroying their invasion force.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
I don't think hes been characterized as someone who gives a shit about being Hokage. He seems much more the "I am a wizard who goes into a building to do magical wizard research of highly questionable ethical standards and I don't care much about other things" type.
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- Central Standard Time
Personal thoughts:
+1 to Temporary-Kage
+1 to Sand investigation / intel
+1 to Verify identity
+1 to Don't start a playfight
+1 to Scout the relief party / for invasion force
New:
- Get in contact with Ami
- Get in contact with Mist
+1 to Temporary-Kage
+1 to Sand investigation / intel
+1 to Verify identity
+1 to Don't start a playfight
+1 to Scout the relief party / for invasion force
New:
- Get in contact with Ami
- Get in contact with Mist
Not gonna lie, this would be nice.
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- Yes.
- Location
- Why would this be required?
That doesn't really make much sense. You don't just have your most promising ninja spend months of training on the off chance you gain a summoning scroll later on. The fact Neji needed to start training with Asuma the moment he got the turtle scroll is proof enough of that.
It's very specialized, longterm training, no one would learn without good reason.
I'll point out we saw visions of possible futures where Orochimaru seems to have very much "taken over" even if he isn't being addressed as Hokage.
Have we really suspicious enough here? Orochimaru comes home and there's an immediate decapitation strike on clan heads and the current Hokage. That could be a coincidence sure, but if he does intend on a power play it would be an awfully ballsy opener. Assuming he wants some sort of legitimacy rather than ruling through only force, eliminating many of the clan heads who would be most suspicious of him, letting things stew for a few days, and then making a move offering himself up as a potential savior would be a damn good strategy.
I'm just saying that in all the confusion, someone should keep an eye on what Mr. Snake is up to and not assume he's going to stay passive.
- Location
- Finland
Where is Tsunade at the moment? We want Rock to see her as well.
I don't think it likely that Rock is entirely bluffing this whole thing. What would be their goal? They get Leaf to agree to being a vassal state, then two weeks later Leaf has figured out that whoops, Rock was actually wrecked as well and is equally weak, and then Leaf burns the vassalage contract and dares Rock to do something about it.
EDIT: I agree someone needs to keep an eye on Orochimaru, but that someone is not us. And, honestly, we need him at the moment so we can't afford to be tactless and insult him either.
I don't think it likely that Rock is entirely bluffing this whole thing. What would be their goal? They get Leaf to agree to being a vassal state, then two weeks later Leaf has figured out that whoops, Rock was actually wrecked as well and is equally weak, and then Leaf burns the vassalage contract and dares Rock to do something about it.
EDIT: I agree someone needs to keep an eye on Orochimaru, but that someone is not us. And, honestly, we need him at the moment so we can't afford to be tactless and insult him either.
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Sure but what exactly would that accomplish by the time war starts? It's a minor armor buff at best and the real value of the PCJ is the longterm improvements to physique, which we wont see bear fruit until way after the war will end(assuming we don't all die). We don't really gain anything from this, really all it'll do is weaken the Goketsu clan in the future.
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- Yes.
Assuming Iwa is bluffing, them getting agreements lets their troops march into the Land of Fire and set up fortifications freely (and take the food from arable land); later, if Konoha finds out they've been conned, they have to fight against multiple layers of fortifications that cripple their ability to fully push Iwa out. At least, without weakening them enough that other countries might start eyeing the weakened Leaf.
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- Why would this be required?
Eh to be fair I think pushing for an official chain of command to be built up quickly isn't a bad idea. We really do need clear leadership with so many dead, and Konoha needs a face for the world to see.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
Well, when your side's ninja are only "very nearly dead" and the other folks are "D-E-A-D dead" early on, the rocket tag starts snowballing a bit.
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- Why would this be required?
I see what you mean though are fortifications that big of a deal when you can just bomb them from the sky? I mean it destroys some land true but Fire is the world's breadbasket and could probably make Rock suffer for it via embargo.
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- Yes.
Nothing stops Iwa from harvesting what crops they have before retreating. Which gets them the resources and leaves Leaf with nothing.
As for an embargo...I don't think Leaf has the military power needed to enforce an embargo.
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- Why would this be required?
I don't disagree necessarily, I just don't think it'll make enoughof a difference to be worth the loss in personal power/the consequences of giving away pangolin jutsu
Can't argue there, we're in a really tough spot here.
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- Yes.
Plan updated. I fingered Orochimaru as a potential culprit, and asked to verify the Iwa-nin's story. Did a bit of reordering for word count.
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- Finland
There's no way they'd have time to build large-scale layered fortifications or harvest the crops in the time it takes for us to get word from Rock that they've also been attacked.
- Location
- Yes.
They're ninja, and more importantly, Iwa ninja. They grew up in mountainous desert/rock, they probably specialize in Doton. Which is, like, the fortification element. Plus, they've probably planned some sort of invasion for decades. No way they don't have the ability to make effective fortifications quickly, when a random Mist instructor could make a massive on-the-spot structure for testing fucking Academy students.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
As @FieryStarVictory suggested.
We should temporarily join Rock to transfer the higher difficulty level to them. Join back once they're too fucked to bother us anymore.
We should temporarily join Rock to transfer the higher difficulty level to them. Join back once they're too fucked to bother us anymore.
zap lunch
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Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
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- Yes.
I think PMSS are banned according to WoG in Discord. Don't ask me to quote that, I only learned about it recently, and secondhand.