Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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It pisses us off too, but we're trying to build good habits in Hazou's mental state.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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@Inferno Vulpix
That's just it. As a civilian, goods transport is a nightmare. Getting food from the farms to the cities is not an easy thing. Even if ninja are required, it would be WAY easier for one with a truck scroll to go and collect the food from the different little villages than for them to try to convey it to the city. Likewise, it is much easier for craftsman to send goods to the farming villages this way.
There were similar scenarios in the middle ages where trade was starved due to lack of roads and banditry. Contrast this to Roman times, where the population was primarily farming but trade was still a big deal.
It also works really well for long distance travel. Want to start up bulk commerce between ninja villages? Send a truckload of fish from Mist to Konoha. Each region has stuff it is good at due to local factors. The economy can be vastly improved by helping other regions take advantage of their particular advantages (wealth of nations style).
That's just it. As a civilian, goods transport is a nightmare. Getting food from the farms to the cities is not an easy thing. Even if ninja are required, it would be WAY easier for one with a truck scroll to go and collect the food from the different little villages than for them to try to convey it to the city. Likewise, it is much easier for craftsman to send goods to the farming villages this way.
There were similar scenarios in the middle ages where trade was starved due to lack of roads and banditry. Contrast this to Roman times, where the population was primarily farming but trade was still a big deal.
It also works really well for long distance travel. Want to start up bulk commerce between ninja villages? Send a truckload of fish from Mist to Konoha. Each region has stuff it is good at due to local factors. The economy can be vastly improved by helping other regions take advantage of their particular advantages (wealth of nations style).
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Relevant quote with regards to the effect of efficient storage on transport:
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
–Andrew Tanenbaum, 1981
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
–Andrew Tanenbaum, 1981
Not to be deliberately difficult, but... how do you know this doesn't already happen? That sounds like a perfectly reasonable D- or C-rank (depending on distance and circumstances). The bigger issues is that most cities either have lots of ninja protection (and probably already do stuff like this) or don't (and are too small and threatened by chakra beasts to produce such a surplus).
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
As unfortunate as it is, bad OPSEC is one of Hazou's Aspects, and that means it's a major part of his characterization. In a vacuum, we could just ask the QMs to take OPSEC as a standard procedure and assume it, but in reality the QMs would reject that because we shouldn't be able to override one of Hazou's main character flaws with a please and thank you.
As Cariyaga just said, it often is our fault too, but I'll note that if Hazou had good OPSEC in his characterization then the QMs would have reason to veto the OPSEC break because it would go against Hazou's characterization. If we can get Hazou to become good at OPSEC, a process that will take many scenes where we specifically tell Hazou to be good about OPSEC and probably more failures to drive home how important this is to get fixed, one day the QMs may start considering getting Hazou a new Aspect to replace our OPSEC one.
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Not only is the quote given without context and content, it is also made a fucking short 38 years ago.
Comparing 1981 to the elemental nations is like comparing a tank to a mounted knight.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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On the other hand, the data compression metaphor of storage seals to tapes is pretty apropos imo
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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- Snarksville, Snarkland
[X] Action Plan: Why the f*** are there two plans
Merged the two plans.
Minor edits for word count and some stylistic choices. Also: we don't need to mention to Jiraiya the potential to get paperwork done with Shadow Clones. He's thought about this.
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- Maintain OPSEC.
- Go to Leaf. Do everything after going back, or well after leaving Mist, as appropriate.
- Talk to Jiraiya about Shadow Clones.
- Explain: From what they were told, a single clone being genjutsued knocked out Naruto. This implies some sort of knowledge transfer.
- Possibility seems to exist for training with them.
- Elaborate on Chakra Beast Containment Facility for Noburi to drain for chakra.
- If this seems unsafe, suggest doing training in high-chakra density locations (Forest of Death, Swamp of Death...).
- Explain: From what they were told, a single clone being genjutsued knocked out Naruto. This implies some sort of knowledge transfer.
- Discuss finding additional summon scrolls with team and Jiraiya.
- What clans would Pangolins and Toads not mind working with?
- Are there clans that are dissatisfied with their summoners?
- Check the Great Library in the summon realm?
- How is the search for the Capybara and Condor scrolls going?
- Ask Jiraiya about Hidden Mountain.
- Kei has veto.
- It's been almost a year.
- We want them to send an emissary to Leaf to start negotiations ASAP.
- Suggest making contact early because training for the exams gives a good excuse to not be heavily involved in negotiations.
- Also if we do it now we can have the negotiations be through Jiraiya in his role as Keiko's father. This way, Leaf at large risks losing the alliance if he is no longer Hokage.
- Team Gōketsu has shown sufficient competence in the exams, as well as having a huge amount of field experience. We should have no problem running this mission on our own.
- Time concerns: We can just get relatively close and summon a Pangolin to deliver the message.
- Reunite with Kagome and Mari.
- Enjoy seeing them for the first time in forever!
- Have the idea of starting a program -- funded by sold explosive seals, etc -- for tutoring "at risk" students due to Kagome's tutoring Honoka
- Goal: pay the equivalent of a steady D rank salary, allowing less-experienced or disadvantaged nin to stay safe, earn a living wage, and help their village's future.
- Alternatively, a pay-it-forward method: Ask that any students we tutor, then tutor another.
- Catch up with Hana.
- About Mari:
- Bring this up gently.
- He doesn't expect her to get along right off, but he'd like it if she would give her a chance.
- He can sympathize with his mom, but... Mari retired over the whole ordeal. She beats herself up enough.
- About Akane, what she said, and how he feels about it.
- About Mari:
Merged the two plans.
Minor edits for word count and some stylistic choices. Also: we don't need to mention to Jiraiya the potential to get paperwork done with Shadow Clones. He's thought about this.
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@Erolki :
If transport is already this easy, you should see a lot more commonality of goods and connection between outlying areas and the cities. Stuff like those interesting swamp creatures that were in the early chapters being commonly known/used in lots of places. There would be a lot more trade between places and less isolation because things would move at ninja speeds. If it were commonly used, it would be a perfectly reasonable C/D rank.
@Korporati :
My apologies. It was referring to the material 3 posts up. Like Cariyaga mentioned, there is a pretty close correspondence in the two concepts and the quote is pretty famous in networking circles. For a more modern take on it, see the Xkcd analysis: FedEx Bandwidth
If transport is already this easy, you should see a lot more commonality of goods and connection between outlying areas and the cities. Stuff like those interesting swamp creatures that were in the early chapters being commonly known/used in lots of places. There would be a lot more trade between places and less isolation because things would move at ninja speeds. If it were commonly used, it would be a perfectly reasonable C/D rank.
@Korporati :
My apologies. It was referring to the material 3 posts up. Like Cariyaga mentioned, there is a pretty close correspondence in the two concepts and the quote is pretty famous in networking circles. For a more modern take on it, see the Xkcd analysis: FedEx Bandwidth
In a tabletop game how it'd work is the GM (QM equivalent) would say something like "Hey, this seems like an appropriate time for [Aspect] to cause a problem, maybe something like [character action]?" And hold out a FP token. The player can then negotiate - either taking the token, suggesting a different take on the Aspect, or spending a FP to reject it completely. However, from my time running Fate, I found that as long as you don't use compels to screw over your players, they'll pretty much always take them (cause trouble or drama, sure. Just make them have a bad day, though? Never). And players who've really gotten into their characters will often earn more compels just by playing their Aspects to the hilt than you as a GM would prompt them to take.
The quest format doesn't really allow for that kind of back-and-forth, though, so it's more "write the character as seems appropriate, hand out FP when this causes trouble".
Because a bunch of us don't want to do the stuff with Mountain, thank you very much. A lot of the rest of it is very similar because that's the only big point of disagreement between them.
Who's going to pay the ninja to go move those goods around? Look at how some goods, like chocolate, are found all over the place. The problem with smaller niche items is that nobody bothers to set up the missions.
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Put all your data on some physical backup, such as tapes. Stuff a stationwagon full of said backup medium and drive it to your destination. Voila, you have just moved data from A to B vastly faster than you could over the internet.
In point of fact, this is part of what my startup does. A big problem that cancer researchers have is that they do a few genetic assays and they end up with 100,000+ files, most of which are tiny but a handful are 300-500 GB. There is literally no way to move that data over the internet -- my cofounder was in cancer research for twenty years and he tried every possible solution, including Box.com, Dropbox, FTP, SFTP, BitTorrent, etc. None of these work -- the cloud providers can't handle that many files / such large files, most universities block BitTorrent and getting an exception is essentially impossible, S/FTP will lose the connection and bork before getting the data there or else a bit will get flipped in transit and you end up with a corrupted file. Don't even get me started on compliance issues around HIPAA, IP protection, etc.
It's insanely stupid for this to be true in 2018, but the way that cancer labs typically get their data from their lab to their collaborators' labs is to FedEx a series of hard drives...which comes with its own issues.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- She/They
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- Academy City
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- They
What could possobly go wrong? You're like this every time. I'm sure nothing bad could habe resulted from letting Thrawn take a look at our art, and I'm still certain that adorable bunnycat had your best interests in mind when offering the contract. What's next, freaking out over people who happen to share a name?
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We've seen long distance trade caravans, I'm pretty sure. You wouldn't see those if this was being done. It just wouldn't compete.
@eaglejarl :
Are regular storage seal based transport/commerce a commonly seen part of this world?
Are bulk goods moved this way, using big storage seal scrolls?
@eaglejarl :
Are regular storage seal based transport/commerce a commonly seen part of this world?
Are bulk goods moved this way, using big storage seal scrolls?
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[X] Action Plan: Why the f*** are there two plans
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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I suppose the next question from there is, "How many of those people hire ninja"? Beyond that, while the ninja-express would absolutely win for bulk shipping, when it comes to larger numbers of small shipments it doesn't hold up as well (say, farms sending their produce to a city. Yes, you can send a ninja on rotation - but how many farms, even working together, could afford to hire ninja repeatedly when they could just walk to town?). I think you're underestimating how poor most of the setting is, and how expensive ninja are.