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They called Shikamaru perfect. Has to be a joke.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
They called Shikamaru perfect. Has to be a joke.
I think the FATE system is actually pretty lenient to one-versus-many fights anyway. Consider that there's no "onslaught penalty" so you get to make a defense roll at full strength against every single attack. Usually what a mob of scubs do s all do a help Maneuver to add a multiple tags to one person's attack.
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Poor sleep equals extensive brain fog. Update delayed. If anyone has any prompts that they didn't get to put in vote format this week, now's your chance.
If I may offer feedback in return, in the future you should minimise your use of block capitals, italics, bold and font size changes in ordinary dialogue, as it makes you sound like a raving street preacher rather than a reader critiquing a work of fiction. I assure you that the intensity of your thoughts and feelings on this subject is palpable from content alone.
Thank you for taking the time to provide feedback.
If I may offer feedback in return, in the future you should minimise your use of block capitals, italics, bold and font size changes in ordinary dialogue, as it makes you sound like a raving street preacher rather than a reader critiquing a work of fiction. I assure you that the intensity of your thoughts and feelings on this subject is palpable from content alone.
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Less of a retcon and more of finally admitting a mistake that should have been addressed long ago. Authors are people, after all, and therefore sometimes make mistakes even when trying to be very careful.
During the initial worldbuilding, the QM team didn't catch how many ways the ability to physically transform into any other person or object would (or at least SHOULD) affect the setting, and so the Transformation Technique was maintained from canon, because they wanted the story to be authentic to the source material.
Ideally, they'd have simply removed it at the start, or heavily, heavily restricted it (e.g. 'this technique lasts for 30 seconds, prevents you from using all other techniques, and does nothing but layer light outside your actual physical form, so you cannot appear smaller than you really are'). They did not, and events have happened in the story that relied on physical henge being a ubiquitous technique and are too integral to the plot to be removed or rewritten.
Unfortunately, I don't have time to address your other concerns this very second, but thank you for being willing to bring them up, and thank you for being so invested in the story. I hope they can provide productive discussion.
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[x] Noburi stops getting Noburi'd and finally SURPASSES his Noburis and becomes THE Noburi he was NOBURI'D to be
I still think this was a troll tbh?
[x] Our ex-clans react to Team Uplift's performance (in the exam)
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[X] Our ex-clans react to Team Uplift's performance (in the exam)
Due to this, I suspect there will be some funny mechanical interactions combat wise on the approximate stat boundaries between Genin/Chunin/Jonin/Beyond, because all we did to the FATE system stats was a linear scaling so that we could squeeze greater levels of combat in.
I woke up one day a few weeks ago pondering this, and became heavily skeptical a linear scaling would actually give enough variety as well as sufficient distinction between skill levels. Now, after some thought I was like "Oh! Good Ninjutsu and Stunts are probably much more commonplace as your XP pool grows, so this probably settles the issue. I don't think I need to bring this up anymore" And that was that.
But now the importance of FP as a combat resource has become immediately clear these last few updates (despite that not really being much of a thing in FATE either) and enough theoretical problems raised with it that I don't know if the above is true anymore. I'm sure that some extensive testing was done for FtD, but I'm pessimistic this would have covered all possible weird interactions that may have arisen from how we modified FATE.
Its not really the FATE system I'm worried about per se, but the fact that we have scaled and bootstrapped it to fit to our needs in a way it likely wasn't meant to handle.
Due to this, I suspect there will be some funny mechanical interactions combat wise on the approximate stat boundaries between Genin/Chunin/Jonin/Beyond, because all we did to the FATE system stats was a linear scaling so that we could squeeze greater levels of combat in.
I woke up one day a few weeks ago pondering this, and became heavily skeptical a linear scaling would actually give enough variety as well as sufficient distinction between skill levels. Now, after some thought I was like "Oh! Good Ninjutsu and Stunts are probably much more commonplace as your XP pool grows, so this probably settles the issue. I don't think I need to bring this up anymore" And that was that.
But now the importance of FP as a combat resource has become immediately clear these last few updates (despite that not really being much of a thing in FATE either) and enough theoretical problems raised with it that I don't know if the above is true anymore. I'm sure that some extensive testing was done for FtD, but I'm pessimistic this would have covered all possible weird interactions that may have arisen from how we modified FATE.
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[x] Our ex-clans react to Team Uplift's performance (in the exam)
[X] What it'd be like if Noburi had the hivemind instead.
[X] What it'd be like if Noburi had the hivemind instead.
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I would like to believe that we rate a higher class of troll than that. Remember the guy a while back who wrote an extensive post praising us for portraying Rock Lee as a sexual abuser of young boys? That was quality trolling.
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[x] Our ex-clans react to Team Uplift's performance
[X] What it'd be like if Noburi had the hivemind instead.
[X] What it'd be like if Noburi had the hivemind instead.
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That must have been before my time, I think, because I don't remember that one at all. I am still reasonably sure this is a troll though since there was a pretty obvious sign indicating as much but I can't put my finger on it. I will keep thinking on the matter.
But enough of that for now.
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Also, do you have any opinion on the "What if Noburi was the one with the hivemind?" vote? I don't think doing that would be a canon interlude so it might be best to weigh in.
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It's not exactly the same but the Barrel-Boy interlude was pretty amazing and gave good insight into Noburi's mind. A sequel or something similar for our other teammates would be pretty damn amazing.
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[X] What it'd be like if Noburi had the hivemind instead.
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There have actually been several retcons over the course of two years.
There times, Hazō made a mistake, there were consequences, the players didn't like that, and they devoted a lot of effort to finding and then convincing us of a compelling reason why the mistake was not simulationist. When we became convinced, we rolled back the chapter and wrote something different.
In two other cases, we rolled it back of our own volition without input from players.
The first was the Great Interlude Period, where the QMs finally had to admit that the homebrewed rules system they had created was crap and adapted something better from a professionally-designed system.
The second QM-only retcon was in the second Chūnin Exam event. One of the QMs (a particularly handsome one) came up with an exciting, plausible, and fun-to-write concept. One of the other QMs agreed that the idea was brilliant and exciting. The third QM was not around at the time, being offline for some silly reason like "sleep" or "traveling" (I don't recall). Anyway, the particularly handsome and creative QM went and wrote several thousand words based on this fun and exciting and *very plausible* idea. When the third QM came back and saw what had been wrought, he cried out in anguish and immediately began attempting to convince the other two that their working was flawed. The three strove mightily for hours. Words of power ("simulationist", "previously-agreed backstory", "plausible", etc) were exchanged. In the end, the third QM was victorious; he smote his co-author foes upon the mountain and crushed their youthful hopes and dreams beneath his cynical heel.
With good grace and not a single hint of grumbling, the particularly handsome QM undid all his own clever and *very plausible* work and a new and much more boring timeline was put in its place, one in which childrens' night light seals were not an extinction event waiting to happen.
This latest retcon is an interesting mix. It was suggested by a player, possibly as a joke. Two of the QMs dove in that idea like a starving dog on a tenderloin. The third was more measured; he pondered and considered before granting agreement. A poll was taken off the players as to whether this would
And thus did Bayer lose its biggest customers and the QMs became happier.
I get where you're coming from but (a) the team has actually spent very little around girls their age and (b) being charming is not enough to get a girlfriend, especially when you're standing next to a guy who (in your own opinion) is better looking, more charismatic, and a budding master of an esoteric and exciting art form that allows him to rewrite the balance of power on the continent before he turns 15.
Again, I really do get it, but I think you aren't thinking it all the way through. You're right that a normal person would not have Keiko's internal monologue by this point in her development. Consider, however, that Keiko is NOT normal. She has a phobia of touch. She has a bloodline that is effectively weaponized depression. She shows the typical signs of autism -- an inability to understand neurotypical emotions and facial expressions. Yes, Mari is a brilliant social engineer, but she is not a therapist . Her training is how to control people, not how to heal them.
This one I disagree with you on. Neji has consistently been shown as prideful, overbearing, and hubristic. What he did was, IMO, absolutely in character. That said, he's starting to rethink his beliefs, as shown in the update where Hazō brought him lunch. You may start to see more development from him.
Lee is simply not competitive with ninja who can use the full array of techniques. All you need to do is force him out of his engagement envelope and he loses. That means stealth, ranged+speed, mobility restriction, and a variety of other counters to literal punching.
I'm glad you like Tenten and the Ino-Shika-Chō (ISC) kids. They're a lot of fun to write.
Kagome is a very private person. His secrets will need to be pried loose one by one over a long time.
We're not done with Yamamoto.
Thanks for writing in. My plane is taxiing now do I must sign off. Bye!
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I did actually write-up a draft for this, but I deleted it when I realised grue was a done deal─I have no particular fondness of henge, so saw no need to defend it. As I mentioned back then, the (non-social) exploits you've suffered from before were basically down to a lack of a causal model resulting in discontinuous effects; if you instead say that (though this is heavily shorthanding it) henge is based on an underlying effect with a small, well-specified, and specifically-localised amount of power, basically every exploit I've seen raised on this thread disappears.
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See, that's the thing. It's neither funny nor provocative. The idea that somebody thinks this would get a rise out of us would be more insulting than anything in the actual post.
Eh. I tend to be sparing with meta interludes as they require a lot of creative thought relative to the payoff in terms of humour and/or emotional impact.
I think that would help a great deal - if you can only spend a single FP per roll, it means both that you don't have to worry about an enemy spiking 12-18 points of effective skill (in high-end combat) because they panicked, and that you never spend more than 6 FP in a three-round combat (as opposed to now where you could hypothetically go as high at 18, should you have so many). It'd also reduce the advantage of going into a fight with more than 4-5 FP, making a large stockpile mostly useful for multiple fights in a row (which feels more appropriate). Also, it puts more emphasis on the Create an Advantage move and generally setting up edges for yourself/your team, which feels right.
The slight downside is that it means there's less opportunity for someone of lesser skill to do an all-out FP blast to have a chance against someone much better than them, but that doesn't really fit the harsher setting and more lethal ruleset; in addition, unless you explicitly wrote in some kind of underdog rule, anything that gives weaker opponents a chance also lets people crush nominal equals, or lets elites blast even further ahead.
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To be fair, there wasn't a complete consensus. I believe I was the sole vote against. Not complaining or anything, unanimous-1 is a pretty decent "people's mandate," just technically that's not accurate.
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I'm afraid your vote against has been retconned. In the current MfD continuity, you were heartily on the side of the grue all along.
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Yamamoto = Orochimaru confirmed? Come on, tell me. Tell meeeeeeeeeee.
I honestly forgot how scary Zabuza could be in the anime.