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What are you talking about? As long as you have enough explosives it's easy to not touch the ground.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
TaliesinSkye
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So I guess if you try to substitute yourself out of a fall you still break your legs from the fall, just super fast?
The simplest answer to the falling question may be that chakra boosting your limbs at just the right moment allows you to absorb the impact. How many times in the canon series do ninja execute a jump from a high place and land without breaking their bones?
There's probably a height limitation, to be sure. I wouldn't try it from cloud level. But how high are Skytowers built to anyway?
There's probably a height limitation, to be sure. I wouldn't try it from cloud level. But how high are Skytowers built to anyway?
Cariyaga
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You can't walk to the ground, so you can't substitute to the ground. Similarly, you can't substitute while bound.
TaliesinSkye
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Explosives don't help you with falls, because blast waves don't really push on things. They just sort of cause them to wobble.
The only explosive that would help was a rocket, and we don't have those yet.
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I was implying that we could blow up the ground, thus making it not exist, thus preventing us from ever hitting the ground.
Or kill ourselves, either/or.
Keep in mind that we may want to develop things like gliders and airplanes in which you can easily be going hundred of miles.
Figuring out how to survive an uncontrolled falls mean that glider flight will be much less dangerous.
Emstar
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Thats not actually what the rules state.
Substitution allows you to reach locations you could have reached "by means normally available to you-running, jumping, wall/water walking all count."(FtD: pg 41)
If jumping works then falling should also work, since half of jumping is falling.
TaliesinSkye
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What about inventing a gravity manipulation jutsu, or adapting a wind jutsu to enable someone to, if not fly, slow down a fall sufficiently to make a landing without injury?
Well in that case you already have the solution. Skywalkers, activated before your velocity gets too high.
I thought the discussion was more about figuring out how previous instances of jumping from high places had worked with no henge.
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IIRC we can't Substitute through a Force wall, even though logically we could jump over it.
Uh, no? That would be defeating the point of using gliders.
Tua
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Well it isn't now but was it before the shift?
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Come now, we just fed the grue. It should be fine for a while.
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*screaming in Kagome*
WHY WHY WHY WOULD YOU TEMPT FATE IN THIS MANNER AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Emstar
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That doesnt necessarily mean it doesnt do jumping.
It may be that the subsitution technique doesnt recognize a Force Wall as an obstacle in the usual sense, or at least the same way it would a real wall. So trying to substitute through it gets you an "Error: Path obstructed." Message because the jutsu is trying to take the most optimal path (straight through) and finds this blocked for some reason it cant detect. So it aborts and nothing happens.
Edit: Im just trying to reconcile this with how the rules state the technique is supposed to work. The above is one possible (perhaps not plausible) explanation
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We should absolutely continue with civilian usable seals and making sealing an integral part of everyday life. Only good will come of this.
*Carefully doesn't say his name on the internet*
I believe the term is "tragic" not "stupid." There are likely hundreds of ninjas whose careers were ended by the henge shift. Right now, a skywalker shift would mostly impact us and not nearly as many others.
What is the point of using gliders? This discussion seems to have appeared from nowhere with no context.
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If Sealing really is about abusing bugs in the chakraOS, then it makes perfect sense that jutsu would interact strangely with seals. The latter would, after all, be doing unintended things that the jutsu logic wouldn't be equipped to handle.
I wonder if there are any experiments we can perform to test this further.
Emstar
The Shining One
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Have clones try to abuse the Substitution technique in various ways through our defensive-type seals?
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-suddenly solid clones cease to exist-
TaliesinSkye
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Short of somehow abolishing sealing and getting rid of all knowledge of it, the only way to minimize shifts is to ensure that nobody causes sealing failures deliberately, and apparently there's already a secret organization doing that.
Assuming the shifts are being caused by sealing failures, anyway. Do we know that for sure yet?
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
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Honestly, this seems like a poor choice of interlude to show to us, at least if it's actually canon.
We care about reality, and we are (evidently) a vital component of Hazou's mind functioning. We are going to care about that Kagome, one of the few character's we've bonded with over the course of the quest so far, is exposed to this side of reality, and we're probably going to end up pushing for Hazou to try and learn about this from Kagome, which in turn means that's the retcons are going to become a plot-point, which is bad because it means that you can't retcon freely, which is the whole point of retcons.
We care about reality, and we are (evidently) a vital component of Hazou's mind functioning. We are going to care about that Kagome, one of the few character's we've bonded with over the course of the quest so far, is exposed to this side of reality, and we're probably going to end up pushing for Hazou to try and learn about this from Kagome, which in turn means that's the retcons are going to become a plot-point, which is bad because it means that you can't retcon freely, which is the whole point of retcons.