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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Tua said:
[ :V] Action Plan: Ripple Proof Memory

  • Deploy a dozen of Misterators into the crowd to block LoS.
  • Throw an explosive overhead.
  • Hide like a Mole back to STL, punch Shikamaru in the mouth.
    • Punch Ino as well.
    • Hug Akane.
Contingencies: If an enemy agent tries to prevent us from executing any of the above, punch them, too.
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Seems pretty good to me
 
We need to get people to run in all different directions. Without getting them drunk or blind. I say deploy a banshee
 
[X] Poll: We should NOT use tipserators. (Tipserators)
Even without our glimpse into another timeline warning of a stampede, I don't think we want to risk a serious fight breaking out, just some shoving.

Oneiros said:
We need to get people to run in all different directions. Without getting them drunk or blind. I say deploy a banshee
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If that wasn't something incredibly distinctive we've already used, I'd be down for it. It's too likely to be traced to us though, and would probably count as attempting to break the henges.

Now, if we could somehow get the whole area in silence mine(s), I think that would unnerve the other contestants without panicking them - and without sound, they're much more likely to accidentally knock into each other.
 
[X] Poll: We should NOT use tipserators. (Tipserators)

I was apprehensive of doing this to begin with, and not necessarily because of the possibility of causing a stampede. My reasons mostly have to do with opsec and plausible deniability:

  1. The gas cone formed by a Misterator is easy to recognize. Eventually, everyone will know it was us, if we use them.
  2. Using one without getting caught is challenging. We don't want the seal recovered, which means Hazou has to fire it manually, which puts him at the tip of the cone, in a very conspicuous location.
  3. If caught, having such a thing ready for use strongly implies we knew about the heat ahead of time, implicating us and making it easy for proctors to DQ us.
  4. It's risky, as the retconned update proves. The situation is tense without our involvement, and might still deteriorate on its own.
 
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Roomba said:
[X] Poll: We should NOT use tipserators. (Tipserators)

I was apprehensive of doing this to begin with, and not necessarily because of the possibility of causing a stampede. My reasons mostly have to do with opsec and plausible deniability:

  1. The gas cone formed by a Misterator is easy to recognize. Eventually, everyone will know it was us, if we use them.
  2. Using one without getting caught is challenging. Having such a thing ready for use strongly implies we knew about the heat ahead of time, implicating us and making it easy for proctors to DQ us.
  3. It's risky, as the retconned update proves. The situation is tense without our involvement, and might still deteriorate on its own.
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Thoughts to mitigate the first two points: We could HLaM and get to the center of the crowd, and detonate it from there (or get a clone to do it). Though the third is iffy, as you have said.

OTOH getting everyone drunk without a corresponding panic might result in them being stupid drunks instead of murder drunks.
 
So if we're not using a tipserator, what's our plan?

[X] Poll: We should use tipserators. (Tipserators)

Also, easy way to use it would be to do Hiding Like a Mole, run to under the ground, release the booze mist in the middle of them in a wide area dispersal pattern by putting the seal *just* above ground, and then run away.

faflec said:
OTOH getting everyone drunk without a corresponding panic might result in them being stupid drunks instead of murder drunks.
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Which is, I think, why Shikamaru signed off on it given the lack of Line of Sight denial.
 
Enjou said:
Which is, I think, why Shikamaru signed off on it given the lack of Line of Sight denial.
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I actually want clarification on this @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Did Shikamaru actually know we planned on getting people drunk via tipserator before we left to do just that?
Adhoc vote count started by faflec on Jun 25, 2018 at 7:43 PM, finished with 497 posts and 11 votes.
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First of all, props to you guys @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail for sticking to your principles after all the debating and scrutiny we subjected you to.

Velorien said:
Akane spent a minute considering.

"You won't use this as an opportunity to destroy the entire event and make hundreds of people's hard work come to nothing."

"No, Minagawa."

"You won't turn this party into some kind of bloodbath where people have to drop out of the exam because they're too hurt to go on."

"No, Minagawa."

"You won't do anything that would make your clan leader sad."

"…No, Minagawa."
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We promised Akane:
  1. We would not destroy the event.
  2. We would not create a bloodbath.
  3. We would not make Jiraiya sad.
Our actual goals here are:
  1. Disrupt any clever plans in place.
  2. Spot ninjas by their henge-sweat to gain points (or at least even the scales).
[X] Poll: We should NOT use tipserators. (Tipserators)

Too much risk. Ninjas making stupid inebriated decisions can help us identify them and even DQ them, but... stampede hazard.

If we want to unnerve the ninjas in the EM trap... well, what do you think would happen if we put a banshee somewhere in the back of the grounds or in the hedge maze, far enough away that it's not an attack but close enough that they can clearly hear a loud sound? In a similar vein, we could pretend a fight happened, with shouting and jutsu, and then abscond back to safety before anyone comes to check.

(Of course, whatever we do we run by Keiko and Shikamaru first. If we make the same darn mistake twice in a row we have no leg to stand on)
 
MadScientist said:
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uh

that is not the right tally

There we go, that's the right tally.
Adhoc vote count started by faflec on Jun 25, 2018 at 7:43 PM, finished with 497 posts and 11 votes.
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faflec said:
I actually want clarification on this @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Did Shikamaru actually know we planned on getting people drunk via tipserator before we left to do just that?
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This is in the update at the end:

Velorien said:
Hazō has explained to Shikamaru that the plan is to corral people into one area using a non-damaging heat ninjutsu, then use a seal to release an alcoholic mist which will make them intoxicated and likely to reveal that they are ninja or make other bad decisions. At Shikamaru's request, Hazō has given a basic summary of Elemental Mastery and the tipserator, and confirmed that neither is expected to pose a health risk to the targets.
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Shikamaru is fine with this. Real GeniusTM​ Approved.
 
Could we get everyone to leave the grounds of their own volition?

Idea 1:


*explosions in the distance*

*banshee seals*

"ATTENTION: <Mist Situation Codewords>! There has been an assault on the Kage's tower by an unknown, class-S threat. All ninja are required to immediately report to the barracks. This is not a drill."
 
Vecht said:
Could we get everyone to leave the grounds of their own volition?

Idea 1:


*explosions in the distance*

*banshee seals*

"ATTENTION: <Mist Situation Codewords>! There has been an assault on the Kage's tower by an unknown, class-S threat. All ninja are required to immediately report to the barracks. This is not a drill."
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No. We should not do this. We can stick to the (now far less risky) tipserator plan, or not do it out of cowardice. (frankly, given the generous retcon I think we should go forward with it)
 
What we need here is an adjustable source of tension. The main problem with the whole plan is that we have no control over the crowd once a stampede or fight starts. We need something that will make the participants nervous, but that we can also easily and visibly eliminate as a threat if things look like they might get hairy.

The Tipserator is a mistake because, once we make the ninja drunk, they stay drunk and become even more unpredictable. That, in my view, is unacceptable.
 
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