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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Enjou said:
This is suggesting it to the hypothetical already-there proctor to make our group look helpful - 4.1 is about planning with our own group. I could remove it if people feel it serves no purpose or would be harmful.
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Honestly I feel that we should discuss with Noburi before suggesting this to the proctor. Nothing's stopping us from finding one later.
 
@Enjou Do not make it clear that Hazō reported his story from the front mansion perspective.

Also, Noburi should be treating anyone injured, not just civilians.
 
Velorien said:
You have no idea.
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[w] Buy some ideas?

Enjou said:
Ok, here's a version with the Shiba thing mentioned:



Changes are in section 3 and 3.1.1, and section 4.4 was added.

This hasn't been changed in the plan yet. Please review.



I was, but Hazou not knowing if he's in the clique still works.
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Instead of "consider noting Shiba" -> "remark that the comments in the crowd were a bit strange and recount them verbatim (up until the point you left), with no particular emphasis on either one"

For the basically all of 3.1 I would slap a big red make sure to try not to actually lie -except through omission - unless absolutely absolutely necessary to stick to your cover story.

I would even add something to the effect of "use the Iron Nerve to fake an expression of concerned politeness/worry/ etc were appropriate".

We are trying to not roll deceit as much as possible.
 
MMKII said:
Instead of "consider noting Shiba" -> "remark that the comments in the crowd were a bit strange and recount them verbatim (up until the point you left), with no particular emphasis on either one"
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Seems like a point of failure if they ask us about what was said after we left seeing as we remember the first part verbatim but have no idea about the second part at all.
 
Drasky said:
Seems like a point of failure if they ask us about what was said after we left seeing as we remember the first part verbatim but have no idea about the second part at all.
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I mean we are telling them that we fucked off-

hmm.

Yes. Yes. We need to be very careful about the timeline here.

Do we tell them we left WHEN the madness was going on or do we tell them we left naturally when we were actually seen leaving the crowd?

It seems to me we should construct our story on the later and stick to it since it will corroborate with eyewitness accounts (if they can remember a goddamn thing).
 
Ok, here's with all that in consideration...

[X] Plan Running Like a Mole

Goals: Get out of the stampede zone, avoid being disqualified, reach Super Team Leaf and update them of the situation.

Means:
  1. Hazou will get off the porch and onto dirt and use Hiding Like a Mole to go underground, without being noticed by the proctors and before the stampede hits him. He will either need to move forward into the mist, or move to the side opposite of where the proctors are, depending on his understanding of where everything is and what is least likely to get him spotted. He will use a Tunneler's Friend to allow himself to breathe while underground.
    1. If needed for him to reach dirt while remaining concealed, Hazou may pop a Misterator.
  2. From there, Hazou will move away from the zone quickly, with the goal of reaching the safe zone and Super Team Leaf. Hazou will use his knowledge of the grounds to determine an appropriate place to emerge without being spotted by other contestant. (the hedge maze, a conveniently placed bush near the marquee, etc.) Exclude the tunnel from before as a possibility, as your enemies have knowledge of it. If emerging close to the marquee, check briefly to see if proctors are already there questioning ST Leaf.
  3. Once with Super Team Leaf, update them on the situation. Use hand signals to imply that proctors may be inbound or listening in, and you want everyone on the same page. State the story in such a way that you're not implicated in anything (don't mention where in the crowd you were), and to make it appear to any eavesdroppers that the ST Leaf noticed that the sudden heat wave was a trap to herd people in, that they didn't allow themselves to be herded, and that you were sent in to do recon since you had a means to escape. Include Kazama and Shiba's statements, noting them, and hand signalling that they Shiba is a ninja and may have been trying to keep people herded to do something. Make it clear that you think whoever incited the panic with the explosive tag is an idiot, and that the likely mass disqualifications and possible civilian injuries that would result from that action could get anyone blamed for it kicked out of the tournament.
    1. If a proctor is already present, Hazou will use his judgement about whether to rejoin or not based on the context of what's going on. If he does think it appropriate, he will go in and report to the proctor of what happened in front of the mansion largely as he would have to ST Leaf (lies entirely by omission if possible, make it sound like you were in the crowd, and not implicating Hazou in any way). Be sure to remark that the comments in the crowd were a bit strange before things went off, and recount them verbatim (up until the point you left), with no particular emphasis on either one. (this is trying to get the proctor to focus on Shiba and Kazama as possible suspects, without sounding overly accusing) Then ask if the proctor has any instructions for your group.
      1. If the proctor tries to blame Hazou for the incident, he will point out that inciting a panic in a mixed crowd of civilians and ninja is an obviously an idiotic idea due to several obvious reasons, primarily due to the possibility of civilians being harmed. (hinting that maybe this isn't the best time for the proctor to quibble over this). Signal for others in the group to get involved in this effort, as they have their own social specializations that could help to get the proctor to move on and not have a plausible case to blame you.
  4. If able, work with Super Team Leaf to figure out a way to best take advantage of the new situation in order to maximize the amount of points that the group can get. See if you can get Nara involved in the planning, with Keiko's assistance to refine plans.
    1. He does suggest that the group may want to go to a proctor and volunteer to help with any issues like civilian injuries if it seems needed. For instance, Noburi could help treat the wounded, provided he can get some chakra loaned to him and be giving somewhere private and discreet to treat his patients. (this is a suggestion - whether he does it or not is up to him)
    2. Suggest using a buddy system for the rest of the event, as the remaining competitors may be out to try to eliminate more competition.
    3. Nara already has established himself as an information broker. Suggest this be used as a means to find out who our roles counterparts are - with the competition inevitably decreased and the remainder somewhat drunk, others might be more willing to take risks. Alternatively, consider some kind of matchmaking party game.
    4. If Shiba and company aren't removed from the event, suggest possibly indicating that they took action to keep the herd in front of the mansion may
    5. ??? <space for further suggestions - ignore if left empty>
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Please review.
 
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Enjou said:
Ok, here's with all that in consideration...



Please review.
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MMKII said:
I mean we are telling them that we fucked off-

hmm.

Yes. Yes. We need to be very careful about the timeline here.

Do we tell them we left WHEN the madness was going on or do we tell them we left naturally when we were actually seen leaving the crowd?

It seems to me we should construct our story on the later and stick to it since it will corroborate with eyewitness accounts (if they can remember a goddamn thing).
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Whats your opinion on this? Its a bit ambigious from the plan what our story is and I'd rather not leave it up to chance.
 
Enjou said:
We left when the madness started. The entire reason Hazou was the one "scouting" was because he had HLaM available to LOL Nope his way out in the event of something like this.
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I don't like this. There could have even been proctors in the crowd that can attest to us leaving a minute or two earlier than when the tag went off.

Yet, we are saying we left just about the time the explosion started? Doesn't match up.

This would raise a bit of a red flag, do you see the problem?

Edit: We can say we started walking away from the herd to better observe the environment (and the apparent heat wave) and then when the explosions started we started booking it back. That might sound better.
 
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I think we should scrap the implicating someone else part.

I feel like it's an unnecessary risk that brings us into the spotlight.

[X] Plan Running Like a Mole
 
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1234qwerty said:
Reminder: lung absorbed alcohol clears the system much faster than digested alcohol. They should only stay drunk for a relatively short time.
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Pedantically pointing out that it is the total amount of alcohol consumed which determines how fast it is metabolized by the liver, and that method of ingestion does not matter for this. Inhaling it will get it into your bloodstream quicker which is why it will make you more drunk more quickly, and the fact that it is a much lesser amount than is normally imbibed when drinking is why it gets cleared faster.
 
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Drasky said:
I think we should scrap the implicating someone else part.

I feel like it's an unnecessary risk that brings us into the spotlight.
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But it goes beyond that, its an actual hole in our story. Regardless of whether we mention stuff to anybody.
 
MMKII said:
I don't like this. There could have even been proctors in the crowd that can attest to us leaving a minute or two earlier than when the tag went off.

Yet, we are saying we left just about the time the explosion started? Doesn't match up.

This would raise a bit of a red flag, do you see the problem?

Edit: We can say we started walking away from the herd to better observe the environment (and the apparent heat wave) and then when the explosions started we started booking it back. That might sound better.
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Honestly, I think we should mostly leave details like this to Hazou. He's the one trained in Deceit, and with a better understanding of the situation and where everyone was.
 
Enjou said:
Honestly, I think we should mostly leave details like this to Hazou. He's the one trained in Deceit, and with a better understanding of the situation and where everyone was.
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Alright, then maybe take out that bit about implicating the other guys then? That might get them asking us questions that would trip us up.
 
MMKII said:
Alright, then maybe take out that bit about implicating the other guys then? That might get them asking us questions that would trip us up.
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Done.

Updates to plan posted.
Adhoc vote count started by Enjou on Jun 22, 2018 at 6:22 PM, finished with 815 posts and 18 votes.
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I'm super uncomfortable with how much our plans all leave to QM discretion, but I'm not really sure there's anything better we can do with the cards we've been dealt.
 
Enjou said:
??? <space for further suggestions - ignore if left empty>
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Might I suggest adding a discussion regarding secret identities, and whether or not it'll even be possible to ID our counterpart if everyone gets DQ'd? Should we still be making plans to actually find our counterpart or should we just assume everyone else is fucked and we should just take the -30?
 
faflec said:
Might I suggest adding a discussion regarding secret identities, and whether or not it'll even be possible to ID our counterpart if everyone gets DQ'd? Should we still be making plans to actually find our counterpart or should we just assume everyone else is fucked and we should just take the -30?
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Just name all the people who aren't at the party any more :p
 
faflec said:
Might I suggest adding a discussion regarding secret identities, and whether or not it'll even be possible to ID our counterpart if everyone gets DQ'd? Should we still be making plans to actually find our counterpart or should we just assume everyone else is fucked and we should just take the -30?
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We may want to spend some time getting our chakra topped off. We're pretty low
 
1234qwerty said:
Thanks for the pedantry. Every bit helps when it comes to the little acknowledged submotive behind plan making, keeping @faflec from having a heart attack before 50.


I was imagining living roots from underground would help see what was happening under cover of the alcohol mist, which I think is pretty thick, so we wouldn't have to guess how bad the stampede is and respond according to it'a severity.
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Note that, per @Radvic's analysis which has been adopted as canonical, misterators only last 1 minute.
 
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