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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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faflec said:
AND NOW IT'S TIME TO SCREAM AS A MINOR MISTAKE IN MY PLAN KILLS US ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLlllllllllllllllllllllll​
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Don't worry, one of the benefits of being a part of a large group is that they won't let us suicide easily. Worst that could really happen is they call Hazou an idiot and we get less XP.
 
Roomba said:
Don't worry, one of the benefits of being a part of a large group is that they won't let us suicide easily. Worst that could really happen is they call Hazou an idiot and we get less XP.
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I don't think you were here during the Kabuto incident. If Mari-sensei couldn't save us from committing social suicide I don't think a bunch of Genin can save us from combat-related suicide.
 
faflec said:
I don't think you were here during the Kabuto incident. If Mari-sensei couldn't save us from committing social suicide I don't think a bunch of Genin can save us from combat-related suicide.
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Eh, for that kind of thing to happen, Hazou needs to explicitly be forced to do something by the plan. Here, we're only really submitting ideas, and if the ideas are bad, the other Genin should reject them. At a baseline, Shikamaru should come up with something good, and we'll lose out on XP (because eaglejarl is forced to plan for us) and damage Hazou's emerging reputation as a clever strategist. Which is annoying, but not on the level of an existential threat. We only had 24 hours to plan and sometimes shit happens.
 
OliWhail said:
Hmmm. Did we say that?


IIRC Noburi has not yet attempted to drain a summoned pangolin, something about not being sure it was safe, so I'm not sure you'd know this?
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Huh. Does he hold back from draining anything that seems drain-able typically? Like if we were fighting an enemy with summons would he actively try to avoid draining the summons? As when he feels out to drain things he normally just 'feels' clumped chakra per-se right? Just trying to understand the 'not being sure it was safe' as what central idea is generating that concern for him and/or how it impacts how he thinks about using chakra drain in combat
 
Citrus said:
Huh. Does he hold back from draining anything that seems drain-able typically? Like if we were fighting an enemy with summons would he actively try to avoid draining the summons? As when he feels out to drain things he normally just 'feels' clumped chakra per-se right? Just trying to understand the 'not being sure it was safe' as what central idea is generating that concern for him and/or how it impacts how he thinks about using chakra drain in combat
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He can sense things without draining them. In a fight, he tends to use jutsu more than drain. The Sunset Racer was a notable exception, but in that case having him use mist drain was part of the plan.
 
Incidentally, I am very bemused by Neji and Noburi's relationship. I hope it evolves to the point where they both like each other but keep shit talking each other out of habit. :p
 
eaglejarl said:
He can sense things without draining them. In a fight, he tends to use jutsu more than drain. The Sunset Racer was a notable exception, but in that case having him use mist drain was part of the plan.
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Gotcha. So I guess theoretically when he /does/ decide to drain, it's indiscriminate when it comes to enemies? But I guess it's just not worth the risk of testing out on a summoned Pangolin in a non-emergency setting? And/or we haven't brought it up in a non-emergency setting so it's something we'll have to figure out when we find the time?
 
Citrus said:
Gotcha. So I guess theoretically when he /does/ decide to drain, it's indiscriminate when it comes to enemies? But I guess it's just not worth the risk of testing out on a summoned Pangolin in a non-emergency setting? And/or we haven't brought it up in a non-emergency setting so it's something we'll have to figure out when we find the time?
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We might get the chance to do science on the Koni(?) clan later. The crab summoning clan in mist. Alternately, we might get the chance to find a Wakahisa to interrogate on the topic :V
 
So what's the over-under on a last minute betrayal by one of the Leaf teams we're working with?

I don't really expect it; seems contrary to the village ethos. I mean, if they had decided it's every team for itself that would be one thing, but if they shake hands and accept us as comrades then you don't back out on that.

On the other hand, the plan voted in seems to take absolutely zero precautions against such an occurrence.... and we've gotten burned in the past for treating "someone we're working with on this one mission" as "trusted comrade we can freely share all information with".
 
faflec said:
...that reminds me. @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Is a Summoning Clan limited to one living human contract at a time?
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There's currently only one Pangolin summoner and one Toad summoner, but that's the extent of your knowledge.

Citrus said:
Gotcha. So I guess theoretically when he /does/ decide to drain, it's indiscriminate when it comes to enemies? But I guess it's just not worth the risk of testing out on a summoned Pangolin in a non-emergency setting? And/or we haven't brought it up in a non-emergency setting so it's something we'll have to figure out when we find the time?
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No, he chooses who he going to drain from.

The Rules doc said:
Wakahisa can drain chakra from others if (a) both parties are in the same zone and (b) both parties are in physical contact with the same water supply. Water-walking counts as physical contact for this purpose, due to the constant emission of chakra required.
Additionally, while draining someone the Wakahisa will gain a rough sense of their current reserves in relation to other people that the user has drained in the past. E.g. "A little bigger than Hazō's."
Mechanically:
As a Standard action, roll (your VD skill) vs (their Resolve).
You gain N chakra, they lose N chakra. N = (your VD level + difference between the two rolls). N is capped: 0 <= N <= 2*VD
You cannot drain more chakra then they have.
The target may deliberately fail the roll if willing, in which case treat their Resolve as 0.
The target always knows that they are being drained and which direction the drain is coming from.
The Wakahisa must have a supply of liquid water to put the chakra into in order to drain. The only exception is if they retain control of the chakra for immediate use on the same turn or the next. Any action other than spending the chakra will cause it to dissolve into the environment, as will taking stress from any other source while holding onto it.
The water must be actual water, not a chakra construct.
You cannot retain more chakra than will fit into your Capacity. Any chakra drained above that point simply dissipates.
Note that as per the Requirements for Water-based Chakra Storage section if you drain chakra and store it in uncontained water then it will disperse at the end of the following turn. It is, of course, possible to move some of your chakra into uncontained water specifically to let it disperse, although it's rarely something you'd want to do.
Example:
Noburi (VD of 34) drains Alice (Resolve 28). They both roll average, meaning that Noburi gains 34 + (34 - 28) = 40 CP.
Noburi (VD of 34) drains Zabuza (Resolve 57). They both roll average, meaning that Noburi gains 34 + (34 - 57) = 11 CP.

You may divide your maximum drain among as many targets as you like, making a separate 'VD vs Resolve' roll against each one. You must declare how much drain you are allocating to each target before rolling; this amount is a cap on how much you will drain from them if you succeed. (Hopefully we don't actually need to say it, but: you must allocate your drain in terms of positive integers. You can't, for example, drain -0.5 + 3i CP from someone.)

A secret technique of the Wakahisa is the ability for highly skilled users to drain through mist instead of liquid water. This works exactly like draining through liquid water except that you lose 5 points from your roll.
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eaglejarl said:
There's currently only one Pangolin summoner and one Toad summoner, but that's the extent of your knowledge.


No, he chooses who he going to drain from.
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Right, I meant indiscriminate as in he would target an enemy even without knowing what they are. Like say being attacked in fog of war and attacked by something, he wouldn't stop to check whether it's a human or chakra beast or summon first, such as if he's in fog or underwater or something, assuming he already decided he's ok with using the drain.
 
faflec said:
Mist has a Crab Summoning clan, what's our knowledge of them? Surely Noburi or Keiko have an idea, even if Hazou doesn't.
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Keiko can tell you that the Kani style themselves summoners, but their crabs are actually nothing more than chakra constructs, unworthy of meaningful discussion, much less the degree of praise and adulation that the Kani receive on a daily basis despite the comparatively low value they offer in the field and no she doesn't have a grudge why would you think that?
 
Briefvoice said:
So what's the over-under on a last minute betrayal by one of the Leaf teams we're working with?

I don't really expect it; seems contrary to the village ethos. I mean, if they had decided it's every team for itself that would be one thing, but if they shake hands and accept us as comrades then you don't back out on that.

On the other hand, the plan voted in seems to take absolutely zero precautions against such an occurrence.... and we've gotten burned in the past for treating "someone we're working with on this one mission" as "trusted comrade we can freely share all information with".
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Well, we were correct to trust Minami to have our backs, just incorrect to share sensitive information with her, and we've been pretty good with opsec during the Chuunin exam, I think.

As for betrayal, I could see the possibility of one of the other Genin trying to gain an advantage at our expense (doubt Sakura or that other dude are especially fond of us), but a whole team seems impossible. Every one has at least one person who absolutely wouldn't stand for it. Maybe when we're very close to the tournament and they don't need to care about team cohesion anymore, but at this point it would be suicide.
 
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Velorien said:
Keiko can tell you that the Kani style themselves summoners, but their crabs are actually nothing more than chakra constructs, unworthy of meaningful discussion, much less the degree of praise and adulation that the Kani receive on a daily basis despite the comparatively low value they offer in the field and no she doesn't have a grudge why would you think that?
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But wait, aren't all summons chakra constructs? I mean, they don't physically appear in the Human realm; they just shit their consciousness to a chakra construct...
 
Velorien said:
Keiko can tell you that the Kani style themselves summoners, but their crabs are actually nothing more than chakra constructs, unworthy of meaningful discussion, much less the degree of praise and adulation that the Kani receive on a daily basis despite the comparatively low value they offer in the field and no she doesn't have a grudge why would you think that?
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So Wakahisa, Mori and Kani are according to various Mist sources of low value in the field. The clan with broken chakra reserves, the mental abacus clan and the free summoning clan are low value. How exactly is Mist still a village with such dumb opinions? Pax Konoha can't become reality soon enough.

Winged_One said:
We are incapable of good OPSEC. Why, just before the swamp we've possibly leaked either Earth Dome or Air Dome seal model to the Kurosawa clan leader.
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I think Ren failed OPSEC here more than us, personally I assume her comment revealed that she knows that we were in Honey with the Jonin that killed Minami, the Jonin did have Hozuki Mantle after all, a 'secret' Hozuki technique and we used the Air dome there. It seems to me that Mist trashed Jiraiya's intelligence network (further supported by Jiraiya loosing an important agent in Hot Spring and loosing people trying to spy on Mist later on)
 
ContextBot said:
So Wakahisa, Mori and Kani are according to various Mist sources of low value in the field. The clan with broken chakra reserves, the mental abacus clan and the free summoning clan are low value. How exactly is Mist still a village with such dumb opinions? Pax Konoha can't become reality soon enough.
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Mist is a village because the ocean separating them from the other major Hidden Villages gives them a strong defensive position, and they're the strongest of the ninja villages on their side of the ocean.
 
Winged_One said:
Ha
We are incapable of good OPSEC. Why, just before the swamp we've possibly leaked either Earth Dome or Air Dome seal model to the Kurosawa clan leader.
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Did the hivemind vote for that specifically, or did Hazou do it on his own?

Anyway, it was a trade-off, traded privacy of the conversation between Hazou and mom for the seal, which isn't so bad. Certainly nowhere near the opsec failures of the past.
 
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