Vecht
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- USA
So my idea for active defense against aerial bombardment is quite simple and we already have all the parts for it. Kagome made buoys that explode when chakra monsters from the sea went near them, so we take those same setup of sensor seals and explosives just put them on balloons and have them float above cities and armies. We could also change out the explosives if they don't block things very well with the Mark 1 Air Dome we got from Jiriya and have those be activate by munitions being dropped on targets to protect from bombardment.
The issues we would have to work out would be the size of the Air Dome verse the size of the sensor, plus how ever many balloons it would take to cover a target to completely defend or deflect attacks from above. If we could also add to the balloon seal array a method of letting central command know that the seals where activated it could serve as a rudimentary radar. Or else we could work on upping the detection area of the sensor seals and have an actual radar set up.
The issues we would have to work out would be the size of the Air Dome verse the size of the sensor, plus how ever many balloons it would take to cover a target to completely defend or deflect attacks from above. If we could also add to the balloon seal array a method of letting central command know that the seals where activated it could serve as a rudimentary radar. Or else we could work on upping the detection area of the sensor seals and have an actual radar set up.
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- Over there
Capture a herd of sky squid, have sky squid riders patrol over valuable targets, and drop lupchanzen on any unidentified flying ninja.
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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- Snarksville, Snarkland
...Wait, are you proposing we blow up the incoming projectiles? Because that doesn't work, like at all. You still have, more or less, exactly the same amount of mass with the same momentum headed towards the same location. Unless you can blow them into literal dust, but that has problems of it's own.
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- ...Nice try.
I don't have enough energy to formalize everything into a full post (empathizing with Kei more than is probably healthy), but I will note that, while StarCraft was designed to be balanced, there's a certain symmetry to "you develop a thing, it gets reverse-engineered, now everyone has more-or-less the same weapons at their disposal" that makes our universe either balanced, given sufficient time, or someone gets far enough ahead they win outright.
Also, seals that riff on a clan's special ability preempts reverse engineering, but you beautiful people already had that much figured out.
Also, @Velorien, one of your best yet. It really brightened a day that needed brightening.
Also, seals that riff on a clan's special ability preempts reverse engineering, but you beautiful people already had that much figured out.
Also, @Velorien, one of your best yet. It really brightened a day that needed brightening.
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- Snakesden
Something like this could also mesh well with the idea of pressure-activated seals for the Aburame*. Not sufficient against a strong/big enough threat, but if we're going for munition-activated seals they could be 5SBs instead, which could hold back a lot more.
*In light of the current update, I'm gonna say this is something we should scout out a bit before we commit to it. Like, this is potentially a huge game-changer, and if Jiraiya etc have been holding out creating such seals for that reason, and if our current clan "in" is mostly with the Ino-Shika-Cho trio, we probably don't want to disrupt the situation by making the Aburame massively more powerful.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Remember what Shikaku said. Charka diffusion is going to be a horrendous problem if we're trying to passively sense others through the air, always 24/7. We could, however, make floating structures waving strings around in a large radius, feeding chakra through the strings and sensing a large effective radius while not sensing anywhere near that far away from the string.
Alternatively, we could try to make 'chakra air' which moves in gusts of wind and holds chakra to sense others with. The chakra then goes through the air in large, sweeping arcs and reporting on anything it hits. In enough quantity, this would suffice as invisible border protection.
Or, of course, we could just invent radar, sense things by their physical presence instead. That could be cool.
@bayesclef - please put the super tall image laden article in a spoiler tag.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
I am genuinely considering trying to get my family and close friends to do this. Like, holy shit. And I should probably get it tattoo'd on my arm or something so I remember to teach it to my kids.
@bayesclef spoler pls?
So yeah, obviously the very next thing we need to do is create a brilliant anti-skywalker defence so that Shikaku doesn't give us a terribly dissapointed look when we meet him again in however many days and he asks us how we solved the problem now that he's drawn attention to it.
Challenge accepted, Nara engineers.
The first thought that leaps to mind is to sidestep the problem of force altogether. Get a high-volume storage scroll hooked up to an LBF which is layered directly above its surface, and set the LBF to activate the store function. For brevity's sake, let's call this setup a "catcher". Now anything you drop on the catcher gets stored, and you no longer have to worry about it. This fails if LBF->Storage Seal communication is slower than the payload's velocity, but J can probably make a faster version if necessary.
So, you put catchers on the roofs of all your buildings, and you build indefinite skytowers over roads, with catchers on their superior surfaces, and you've got the high-density areas of the village pretty well shielded.
Challenge accepted, Nara engineers.
The first thought that leaps to mind is to sidestep the problem of force altogether. Get a high-volume storage scroll hooked up to an LBF which is layered directly above its surface, and set the LBF to activate the store function. For brevity's sake, let's call this setup a "catcher". Now anything you drop on the catcher gets stored, and you no longer have to worry about it. This fails if LBF->Storage Seal communication is slower than the payload's velocity, but J can probably make a faster version if necessary.
So, you put catchers on the roofs of all your buildings, and you build indefinite skytowers over roads, with catchers on their superior surfaces, and you've got the high-density areas of the village pretty well shielded.
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ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
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- Seattle, WA
The Akemichi might be kinistetic thinkers. Learning by doing, and being able to think well while in motion. If so, our bloodline would likely facinating them, and we might be able to teach each other some useful tidbits.
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- Snakesden
This and the "Missile Defence" idea depend on storage seal parameters; does it take time to seal things, and at what radius can they be sealed?
The "burning log" thing in Ch 116.1 makes it seem like touch is required for baseline storage seals. Increasing sealing radius seems like the best way around that.
Could use explosions followed by an implosion seal written on durable material? Explosion breaks object into pieces small enough to be whisked into the seal by the winds it creates.
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- Yes.
Wouldn't that fail against any payload detonated before it hits the ground (suicide bombers)?
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- Europe
Whatever anti-skywalker defense is found shouldn't be unveiled at all, it gives J-clan an advantage and makes it more useful. I mean, telling him that we have a solution is alright but telling him is a bad idea (I want his approval as much as anyone, but it's still a trap).
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- Yes.
I suspect that's what Shikaku is thinking: that we actually do have a defense and we're snubbing him by not telling him. So Shikaku is essentially playing along by pretending Hazou is ignorant of the consequences and chastising him appropriately.
Oh.
Duh.
We've already got this. The Casino Seals. Kagome told us it would take years to amp them up into Chakra Radar Seal, but we didn't have access to Jiraiya back then, so...
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- Snakesden
Also doesn't work on living things/things with chakra systems, including still-living suicide bombers. That's why we also use @Traiden's aerial minefield to blow them up first.
Suicide bombers jonin and up are a different class of problem (imagine Jiraiya getting creative on a town), but I imagine genin are much more likely since they're super expendable.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Wait... We "removed Mist from Noodle and Iron". We helped get rid of the Liberator, who we believe to have had ties to Orochimaru. Then, just recently, we learned that the Capybara scroll was being sold at the Hinago medical facility with the Condor Summoner nearby.
The Hinago Medical Facility is in Rice and we heard a snake-themed statement there, where OOC knowledge tells us Orochimaru would be based. The connection was tenuous back then, but it's clear as day now.
Orochimaru is fully in league with Mist.
Leaf already knows this.
What else have we missed? This isn't a rhetorical question. What else has gone completely over our head despite being right in front of our eyes?
The Hinago Medical Facility is in Rice and we heard a snake-themed statement there, where OOC knowledge tells us Orochimaru would be based. The connection was tenuous back then, but it's clear as day now.
Orochimaru is fully in league with Mist.
Leaf already knows this.
What else have we missed? This isn't a rhetorical question. What else has gone completely over our head despite being right in front of our eyes?
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That's... a thing, I guess. But "players invite Shikamaru -> players get his dad bc Hazou didn't actually ask for Shikamaru, he asked for a Nara" is the kind of thing that feeds the urge to make overly specific plans, and is also... I dunno. Not nice.
*shrugs*
Please spoiler that stuff. Some of us here are on mobile. That took way too long to scroll past.
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- Europe
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
We can correct this. I mean, it won't affect her decision re: the Nara, but we can still fix it.
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So, Hazou's daily activities to me are looking something like this:
- 4 Hours Sealing Research/Training [may be cut into if there is no immediate goals]
- 2 Hours reading [Can't really cut into this; he needs to learn physics/engineeering/culture stuff]
- 4 Hours other training [also can be used as a form of socialization with clan/Leaf nin inclined to do so]
- 4 Hours socialization [With clan and other Leaf nin]
- 2 Hours relaxation [Hazou's choice]
- 8 Hours sleep
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- Yes.
Chakra still diffuses with respect to distance. We'd have to make them super-attuned to distant chakra sources but not attuned to ground-based ones.
We are not doing this again.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Also, updating my position on "Nara and Mori in secret communication through coins". Disagreements implies discussion, implies communication. Coins and shadows appears to refer to commonalities between Nara and Mori, in which shadows refer to the Nara shadow techniques and probably the Mori Frozen Skein, while coins could refer to secret communication, or it could refer to just logistics and economy. However, in light of the second quote, I see secret communication as much more viable than I did before.