I cannot imagine the Jounin agreeing to walk up to a Major Village and hope they'll take in Missing Nin with bounties on their heads.

Of course not, that would be a silly plan. If the jounin were forced to speak to a Konoha representative, they would probably make these arguments:

1) Mist is currently in a civil war between bloodline users and the genocidal forces of the current Mizukage. His reign is unstable. As we were slated for death due to being bloodline users and bloodline sympathizers, killing us will not only cost lives for no reason (since we don't intend to make trouble), it won't even serve political expediency. If the bloodline users win, the bloodline Mizukage would only be mad at Konoha for killing refugees. If the current Mizukage wins, he's still insane and doesn't care about favors done for him - we have personal experience in that regard. On the other hand, if you don't kill us, the bloodline Mizukage wins, we'll be out of your hair and you'll have repaired Leaf-Mist relations for generations to come, while the current Mizukage is too busy with civil war to start a war anyway. Any war he did start, you would be entirely justified in steamrolling him and setting up a client state in Mist, as we are not "missing-nin" in the classical sense but "refugee-nin" escaping a genocide.

2) We can serve as additional deniable assets for missions in which Konoha presence would be sensitive or undesired.

3) We can serve as an additional, unexpected border guard against any invasion from this region. Rather than spending precious Konoha blood to defend your borders, we can absorb some amount of damage from this angle without costing you money or shinobi. It's the same principle as a buffer state.

4) We have valuable bloodlines which could credibly be integrated into the Konoha populace via "civilian refugees" (like Haku), which would serve to strengthen Konoha in the long term

5) We'll pay taxes, generating more revenue for you without risking the lives of your shinobi.

6) We'll share valuable Mist intel and jutsus over time.

7) You can tell Mist you killed us and take samples for med-nin to create convincing bodies. Physically identical evidence shouldn't cause any suspicion, but even if the Mizukage suspects anything he 1) can't call you on it because you're stronger, 2) is still embroiled in a civil war taking up most of his attention and energy and 3) would lose intentional standing and lose the subsequent war miserably even if he did escalate.

8) Thus, all the disadvantages of sheltering missing-nin, all the normal disincentives that create the social contract not to do it, are either mitigated or nonexistent: we can move to an area you can easily survey, so you won't have unknown assets running around your territory; we have no intention of fighting you, and you can be confident in this because you are so much stronger; Mist is unable to exert serious political pressure for numerous reasons; and because we are fully cooperative, you can create convincing fakes to provide Mist anyway. You may even receive backlash from Mist in the future if you kill us and the bloodline users win.

9) Meanwhile, the benefits of tolerating us are numerous, and can directly save Konoha lives, while killing us would directly cost Konoha lives. Moreover, some of these benefits are irreplaceable and unique: the bloodline limits among our number, high-level Mist intel, peace between Leaf and Mist if the bloodline users win.

10) At the very least, the safest course of action is to wait until the Mist civil war is over before killing us. Turning a blind eye for now not only does not hurt you, it helps you significantly.

Of course, while I think these arguments are pretty convincing, especially in aggregate, I would prefer not to have to use them in the first place. But if we have to deal with Konoha, I don't think our chances are so terrible. And since even enemy ninja regularly banter to express their eccentricities and extract information, there are plenty of opportunities for one of our jounins to open a dialogue.

By hiding in Fire, we substantially decrease our risk of enemy hunter squads in exchange for potentially having to deal with Konoha. Not only is Konoha the safest Major village for our character due to his genes, even a ruthless Sarutobi is still the Kage most likely to look favorably upon and accept credible win-win appeals. He is able to see that sometimes the path of ruthless expedience lies in cooperation.

If we hid in Cloud, Stone, or Sand, our situation would be strictly worse. If we hid in a small country, we would still lose to their Hidden Village in a straight fight, necessitating the exact same arguments as above but with fewer benefits for us, and be much more vulnerable to Mist hunter squads.
 
Last edited:
Might I remind you guys that we, i.e. the playing character, is a genin? We have no chance of influencing the group to leave or stay in Konoha simply because our status carries no weight among this group of Mist-nin.

So our options aren't "run from Fire" or "stay in Fire". It's "leave the group and GTFO of Fire" or "stay with the group and in Fire". Which means the question is now a case of safety in numbers vs. locational disadvantage.

Side note: Are we just waiting for the update RN, with friends/name/gender to vote on?
 
Those are not the options we were arguing. We were arguing hiding in a country with a weak village or without a village entirely. This was far from the best idea, so don't try to rationalize it as one.

No. We're more likely to be seen as a Sharingan-hungry impostor, not a heretofore unknown cousin.

Why would we be seen as Sharingan-hungry? We have no interest in getting a Sharingan ourselves, it's just that our offspring are somewhat likely to produce a Sharingan due to decades-past crossbreeding with the Uchiha. Which would indeed make us distant cousins.

That makes more sense. Zabuza would probably be an agitator, though, what with wanting to coup and all.

I may be misremembering, but the coup Zabuza wanted to stage is for pretty much the same reasons (getting rid of the insane old Mizukage) as the eventually successful coup by the new Mizukage. Since we're also victims of the Mizukage's insane regime, we would have common cause, though survival is a higher priority than politics.
 
@faflec even without using the fast talk skill, we can persuade people through reason. Presenting a good enough case in either direction has a not insignificant chance of changing our jonin's minds.
 
Wtf is happening here... The story hasn't started yet but there are people that already want to quit the starting point and others that want to fuck Sasuke. I'm somewhat worried.
 
@MadScientist I agree that we should certainly try but we should by no means expect it to work. Remember that we ran into Konoha from Mist for a reason, and the Jonin will not like to change their direction (unless it was their plan all along).
 
Wtf is happening here... The story hasn't started yet but there are people that already want to quit the starting point and others that want to fuck Sasuke. I'm somewhat worried.
To be fair, even if we aren't female, I'd still be in favor of Sasuke.

As a side note, befriending Sasuke and getting into the village through him IS possible, if we rat out the other missing ninja.
 
Why go in through Sasuke? Why not go in and help NARUTO, who literally has the Hokage's ear and is -stupidly- trusting to boot?
 
Crazy plan: defect to Konoha on the intention of starting a serf-clan for the Uchiha. Our iron nerve could make them somewhat willing to believe us and cooperate. We act as Sasuke's butler/advisor, and get a massive in with Leaf politics under his protection.
 
Why go in through Sasuke? Why not go in and help NARUTO, who literally has the Hokage's ear and is -stupidly- trusting to boot?
Because if we try and sell out our clan through Naruto, he'll call us a cowardly, selfish little shit.

Crazy plan: defect to Konoha on the intention of starting a serf-clan for the Uchiha. Our iron nerve could make them somewhat willing to believe us and cooperate. We act as Sasuke's butler/advisor, and get a massive in with Leaf politics under his protection.
I like this plan. I like this plan alot.
 
I really like the idea of playing a Nukenin trying to save his ass and becoming more and more powerful. Sure it'd be super hard to survive and even harder to learn jutsu and stuff but that's what's appealing to me in this Quest. We're not even started and people already want to re-join a village.
 
Last edited:
I concede everything, though the last time I did that I agreed with a plan that I later realized was awful.
Why go in through Sasuke? Why not go in and help NARUTO, who literally has the Hokage's ear and is -stupidly- trusting to boot?
If we get to Sasuke before he manages to defect, they kind of come together. Yes, Naruto is a definite angle, but a synergistic one, and we don't actually know the situation.

We can't depend on metaknowledge. We're still fucked. I'm just glad we're going to be able to continue (in some form) even if we die.
Because if we try and sell out our clan through Naruto, he'll call us a cowardly, selfish little shit.
Who's selling out our clan? What about that is selling out our clan? That's just pointing out Naruto as an angle.
We're not even started and people already want to re-join a village.
That would be because villages are an attractor for survival. Lone wolf syndrome is a good way to get ourselves killed.
 
Our...clan? Wait, why are we telling Naruto we backstabbed a bunch of missing-nin? What purpose would that serve?

Much smarter to say we got separated (which is technically true, since we left), and only tell important ninja (Sarutobi) where the other missing-nin are.
 
Our...clan? Wait, why are we telling Naruto we backstabbed a bunch of missing-nin? What purpose would that serve?

Much smarter to say we got separated (which is technically true, since we left), and only tell important ninja (Sarutobi) where the other missing-nin are.
I want to explain this, but I feel the point would be lost if we tried.
 
I think going after either Sasuke or Naruto would be a flat-out Bad Idea. Especially Naruto. When the Last Uchiha or the Nine-Tails Jinchūriki are taken from they village, they send ANBUs to track and kill everyone involved.

I would also like to remind people that if a "Defect to Konoha" or "Get Naruto/Sasuke" plan fails, we are virtually guaranteed to die. How sad would it be for us to start this challenging death world and immediately fling ourselves onto the knives of one of the most powerful villages around when Danzo himself would looove to get his hands on our bloodline.

Edit: Okay, the Uchiha Serf Clan might work, and it would succesfully break free from the expected plot, but again, carries a big risk of instant failure.
 
Last edited:
Much smarter to say we got separated (which is technically true, since we left), and only tell important ninja (Sarutobi) where the other missing-nin are.
No. Why would we be separating ourselves from our troop at all? We'd be trying to get help for them. Do you really want (even more) angry ninja coming after you, and the 'sanctuary' of a village that knows you're willing to sell out anyone to survive?
 
I think going after either Sasuke or Naruto would be a flat-out Bad Idea. Especially Naruto. When the Last Uchiha or the Nine-Tails Jinchūriki are taken from they village, they send ANBUs to track and kill everyone involved.

I would also like to remind people that if a "Defect to Konoha" or "Get Naruto/Sasuke" plan fails, we are virtually guaranteed to die. How sad would it be for us to start this challenging death world and immediately fling ourselves onto the knives of one of the most powerful villages around when Danzo himself would looove to get his hands on our bloodline.
I think it's worth a shot.
 
I think that we might be a bit too focused on just munchkining ways to survive, though I might very well be wrong about that. Just my two cents.
 
I still voice the opinion that any plan involving playing nice with any ninjas not known to us (the player) is a bad idea. Naruto? Sasuke? Zabuza? Konoha? No.
 
I think it's worth a shot.
No. We are not engaging Konoha, or Naruto or Sasuke, not that we would even know how to find them and meet them somewhere away from the village.

Our location in the Land of Fire is still ill-defined. I think we should be near the border of Fire, on the line defined by Konoha and Kiri. Putting the entire country of Fire between us and Kiri. We need a cushion for the other bordering nations, though.
 
Last edited:
No. We are not engaging Konoha, or Naruto or Sasuke, not that we would even know how to find them and meet them somewhere away from the village.

Our location in the Land of Fire is still ill-defined. I think we should be near the border of Fire, on the line defined by Konoha and Kiri. Putting the entire country of Fire between us and Kiri. We need a cushion for the other bordering nations, though.
I'm not saying we do that as our first course of action. But if the opportunity to meet either of them arises, assuming a lack of familiarity between us and the other genin, there's no reason not to.
 
I think it's risky AF.

It's like entering the lottery except if you don't get any numbers you can expect a firing squad at dawn.
So long as we don't go in there with the intention of backstabbing the village, and we're upfront about everything we know worth knowing, Ibiki will likely do a few passes through our mind for genjutsu and call it good.
 
1) If detected by high-level Konoha forces, our jounin immediately wave the white flag and elucidate the arguments in post #425 (made all the more compelling because whoever finds us not wanting to fight 3 jounin at once), hopefully securing an audience with Sarutobi to repeat the arguments in #425. I think they are quite convincing from a risk-averse realpolitik standpoint. I especially think argument #2-#3 is quite compelling, especially in conjunction with #8. Who is going to believe that a Mist missing-nin, using certified Mist techniques, with a Mist bloodline, is secretly working for Konoha?

It's exactly the kind of face-saving yet sneakily practical maneuver that a nominally bloodthirsty ninja council would pat themselves on the back over. "The greatest warrior is not he who slays his enemy, but he who turns his enemy and makes their strengths his own."

2) If undetected, we sit tight, amass power, and look proactively for ways to improve our situation. By deciding to move into Fire Nation we reduced the risk of hunter-nin in exchange for the risks of dealing with Konoha. Hopefully one of our jounin is a diplomatic specialist or leans that way, which would justify this choice.

If we defect to Konoha, we should defect as a troupe. Our jounin are more competent than the genin in almost all aspects, and more valuable as pieces as well. They wouldn't have entered Fire if they didn't think it was a workable option.

Plus, Mist is going to be shedding disgruntled missing-nin and bloodline civilians in spades as the civil war continues to heat up. If Konoha can manage to attract these bloodline-heavy missing nin, that would be a huge coup for Sarutobi. We would be a great help in that regard. They can take us out during the dog-and-pony show and say, "See? We are the nice ninja village! You can feel secure putting down roots here and contributing your bloodline to our mutual future."
 
Last edited:
Complete derail: What kind of teammates/friends would you think we should have? I know that we don't have options to pick from ATM but having an idea of what kind of team we should be building for is a good plus, especially since the "Konoha / no Konoha" debate seems to be going nowhere right now.
 
Back
Top