On the topic of "future creativity", I am rather against giving yet more of our ideas to Leaf unless we're getting a major benefit out of it. We need aces up our sleeves. The loss of aerial supremacy (at least until we can research KRS and Aerial Mobility Seal) was devastating, and we'll need to lay a few golden eggs purely for ourselves before we start selling any.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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- I do not like the idea of prioritizing burning a(nother) favor on Noburi's medical training, since I believe the chances of us needing to use it now rather than later is not that high. Since this probably isn't clear, I mean that we can get medical training in Iron and the absence of us having advanced medical abilities in the interim (while in Leaf and traveling to Iron) isn't that big a deal. I do not expect Jiraiya to give a mission to us so soon (@eaglejarl @Velorien Does our team think we'll get a mission after Akane's better??) and my expected post-Konoha plan takes us to Iron, and Hidden Whirlpools.
- I also do not like trading a favor for information about our families. I just...what does this change? We don't have the manpower to rescue our mother for a long time, and we shouldn't contact her for extraction because a) we don't have the ability; and b) she's not going missing-nin for us if she hasn't already. We need to get our ducks in order before we do this, and THAT means we need to spend our favors on increasing our skills, combat or otherwise.
- Free passes are good, but I don't think it'll be permanent (and honestly it really shouldn't be). Akane's probably coming with us, and even if she was in Konoha, Jiraiya would argue that if we wanted to see her we could arrange a meeting via pangolin instead of getting 100% passes through Fire. THAT, I can justify.
- MechApt speciality is good. I like this. I am, however, worried about what speciality we want, and IIRC that's why we haven't gotten her to MechApt 15 yet. Still not sure what she should go into.
- If we're looking into seal trading or related stuff, how about asking for a basic paralysis seal? We have no 'parent' seal that would work for these and they'd certainly be useful in the missions we've been sent on. Sensory or communication seals take priority, but I don't think we'll get the latter because of how absurdly overpowered it could become.
- If we can't get Hiding in Mist through Jiraiya or his contacts, ask if we can get a strong Water Release-based defense (like Water Wall) or the Water Prison technique. Or burn the favor on something more useful, IDK. Maybe ask suggestions for a strong utility-focused Water Release technique, like something that buffs our TacMove by having us ride the wave?
- Nintaijutsu should be put lower on the score than a ranged Earth Release technique. Don't forget how much trouble we had with Arikada due to our lack of non-boomsplat ranged abilities. Having some sort of Rock Spitting technique, or a ranged Earth Fist would be nice (but still lesser to a tunneling jutsu or earth sensory jutsu).
- Considering leaving temporarily (i.e., while Akane is in surgery):
- Our needs include:
- Keeping Kagome from going insane from not having seals in the middle of a hostile country.
- Getting Noburi his barrel(s).
- Doing seal research.
- Doing training.
- Getting Noburi medical training (if we don't burn another favor, see above).
- We cannot do any of the above in Konoha to the extent that we would want, due to the need to keep our skills secret.
- If we leave for the Land of Iron (for training) we can do all these things.
- Cons:
- Jiraiya will probably look down upon us for appearing to abandon Akane.
- We may need to burn a favor to leave and come back.
- We probably won't be back by the time Akane wakes up.
- Our needs include:
Ridiculously Average Guy
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Hmmmn.
Given how everyone apparently wants peace anyways, why don't we trick the world into it?
We cut a deal with each of the elemental nations (without them knowing about the rest) about creating a fake 'Hidden Heaven'. A massive Big Lie, which will let them force a complete ceasefire for at least much of a generation.
Hidden Heaven would be a group that has, supposedly, been living in the clouds using seals for untold generations. After 1,000 years they have returned their gaze upon the elemental nations, and have found them wanting.
Then we have every Kage pretend that Hidden Heaven has decimated their ninja somehow and so everyone has sworn fealty to them now.
Of course, at first, every kage believes themselves to be the sole ally/creator of this false Hidden Heaven. Then once everything is actually implemented, it becomes clear to them that they've all allied, and so have been conned into an alliance between all the elemental nations, creating peace.
Given how everyone apparently wants peace anyways, why don't we trick the world into it?
We cut a deal with each of the elemental nations (without them knowing about the rest) about creating a fake 'Hidden Heaven'. A massive Big Lie, which will let them force a complete ceasefire for at least much of a generation.
Hidden Heaven would be a group that has, supposedly, been living in the clouds using seals for untold generations. After 1,000 years they have returned their gaze upon the elemental nations, and have found them wanting.
Then we have every Kage pretend that Hidden Heaven has decimated their ninja somehow and so everyone has sworn fealty to them now.
Of course, at first, every kage believes themselves to be the sole ally/creator of this false Hidden Heaven. Then once everything is actually implemented, it becomes clear to them that they've all allied, and so have been conned into an alliance between all the elemental nations, creating peace.
At which point the peace immediately disintegrates because you know Yagura is that petty.
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You seem to be operating under the assumption that once the existential threat goes away the nations won't go back to jockeying for a better position.
Basically you're proposing Code Geass season 2 and I'm talking about season 3 which I proposed but was refused for being too depressing
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I was thinking about creating near-perfect storage containers by using a time-delayed storage seal to release the contents into a 'sealed' (in the sense of as few seams as possible and no latch) box or sphere.
That's also possible with the recently mentioned ARS seal, remotely triggering the seal, but you could also use the storage scroll repeatedly (?) and have a way to adjust ballast or lighter-than-air anti-ballast/lift material in aircraft. Also, maybe scuba tanks.
Is it possible to activate the implosion seal from inside a container (it doesn't have to be a completely sealed container) designed to protect the implosion seal from being destroyed in activation?
Jutsu from J suggestion:
Some sort of communication stuff, like mid-range signaling? This isn't likely, but it would be a really useful tool for our ability to coordinate.
Oooh, what if we design a kind of chakra heliograph? We can make beams of chakra with tripwire seals, so we see how far we can make that beam stretch with reliable signal. This probably isn't feasible for real use, since ninja can move so fast, and chakra beasts or enemy combatants can easily destroy a signaling station. Ah well.
That's also possible with the recently mentioned ARS seal, remotely triggering the seal, but you could also use the storage scroll repeatedly (?) and have a way to adjust ballast or lighter-than-air anti-ballast/lift material in aircraft. Also, maybe scuba tanks.
Is it possible to activate the implosion seal from inside a container (it doesn't have to be a completely sealed container) designed to protect the implosion seal from being destroyed in activation?
Jutsu from J suggestion:
Some sort of communication stuff, like mid-range signaling? This isn't likely, but it would be a really useful tool for our ability to coordinate.
Oooh, what if we design a kind of chakra heliograph? We can make beams of chakra with tripwire seals, so we see how far we can make that beam stretch with reliable signal. This probably isn't feasible for real use, since ninja can move so fast, and chakra beasts or enemy combatants can easily destroy a signaling station. Ah well.
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With Jiraya, I feel like it is better to speak our mind and be open about our grievances. If we were talking to Hokage, we should definitely opt for a more polite approach.
This sounds exactly like something a bunch of savvy ninjas did.
The problem is that we are shit at keeping anything secret. We either sell the stuff and get something in return, or wait for them to steal them and get nothing.
That sounds sensible to me.
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On our library visit and better education.
Currently the plan has this:
- Hazou's focus
- Natural laws with an emphasis on mathematics, physics and chakra laws
- Political philosophy and its history
- Keiko's focus
- Law, Konoha specific and international
- International trade and agreements
- "We don't want another DMZ incident."
Do people have opinions on what are the sort of topics our two brainy team members should focus on? Remember that they have limited time, so the problem is to figure out and decide what are the topics we want to cover right now. Prioritizing would also be good.
I'll address the other posts shortly.
Then we should get better at keeping secrets.
Because there's no way to get any kind of advantage when we keep giving away our unique abilities.
Ridiculously Average Guy
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Point. In that case, we have to actually fake the existence of Hidden Heaven.
Which, given how we have to trick several kage, means we have to mostly actually make hidden heaven.
Jello_Raptor
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Did we ever find Kagome's elemental affinity(s)?
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We know he can make clones, and unless he's the Sage he can't make Kage Bunshin...so he probably has an affinity that just wasn't mentioned.
Either that or he managed to create clones out of seals.
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We are absolutely going to see combat sooner rather than later. We need a mednin to patch us up and there plenty of other uses for a medical specialist.
The mednin in Iron is not going to teach Nobby for free either.
First step to fixing a problem is figuring out if it is there in the first place. If mom doesn't need saving, we could possibly co-opt her as an asset for something else. Whatever we want to do, we need to get some basic info first.
Also, Hazou misses his mum, knowing that she is alright will do wonders to his stress.
She already has MechApt 15.
The main options in my mind would be Traps (so we can deal and plant them) or some sort of more crafting based specialty. Not sure what the crafting thing should be.
I didn't mean the ordering to matter there, and we have a separate voting thing for that now.
The problem with ranged jutsu is that Hazou doesn't really have the XP to get high dice on any Earth Jutsu. Meaning they won't be much good for attacking, unless they are some sort of super high level exception thingies.
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Alright, so I was thinking about how to stop war in the elemental nations if we create Hidden Heaven.
Long term, of course, is general uplift. But what about the short term? How do we stop the villages from still battling while we raise up the peasantry, or maybe (worse) falling apart?
The only thing I can think of right now is some sort of Simulation War Treaty, where (through a mixture of seals and genjutsu) nin fight via VR.
Long term, of course, is general uplift. But what about the short term? How do we stop the villages from still battling while we raise up the peasantry, or maybe (worse) falling apart?
The only thing I can think of right now is some sort of Simulation War Treaty, where (through a mixture of seals and genjutsu) nin fight via VR.
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I feel like you're really not considering the incentives of the villages. In the case of an agreement to stick to simulated warfare, everyone has a reason to defect on that agreement and start hurting their enemies for real.
Basically if we're powerful enough to enforce this, we're powerful enough to just order them all to stop fighting/scorching.
On the topic of earth jutsu...
Hazou lacks ranged offensive power. This is a bad thing. A "make stalagmites shoot from the ground" jutsu would cover that weakness.
Swamp of the Underworld would be yet another area debuff. And we can never too many of those. (My inner Team Uplift are yelling a chorus of "MOAR AREA-DENIAL!")
Hiding Like a Mole is something I feel we could make real use of, and have real fun with.
A spiky-earth-armour nintaijutsu would be very helpful for the taijutsu build, provided it isn't so clunky that it impedes movement or roki.
My priority order would go: Hiding Like a Mole, Spiky-Earth-Armour, Swamp of the Underworld, Ranged Stalagmites.
Hazou lacks ranged offensive power. This is a bad thing. A "make stalagmites shoot from the ground" jutsu would cover that weakness.
Swamp of the Underworld would be yet another area debuff. And we can never too many of those. (My inner Team Uplift are yelling a chorus of "MOAR AREA-DENIAL!")
Hiding Like a Mole is something I feel we could make real use of, and have real fun with.
A spiky-earth-armour nintaijutsu would be very helpful for the taijutsu build, provided it isn't so clunky that it impedes movement or roki.
My priority order would go: Hiding Like a Mole, Spiky-Earth-Armour, Swamp of the Underworld, Ranged Stalagmites.
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Agreed.
Agree on both counts. For now, we need to sell things and get stuff in return, but in the future we need to develop a way to keep our secrets to ourselves (possibly by just becoming really strong, possibly by something clever).
Ideas (and requirements I see for them):
- Destroy the village system, and have something in place to defend villages
- Promote ninja wars
- Make civilian towns and fields in each nation safe from chakra beasts, but obviously weak to ninja
- Do really hard politics as a third party to achieve peace
- Requires having things each village wants more than increased protection, safety, power, and land
- Alternatively, requires being stronger than any village
- Make one village win
- Ally with a village (probably Konoha) and wipe out all the other villages
- Hope Konoha doesn't fracture after it's success
- Evacuate civilians
- Build a base somewhere hidden from all ninja, evacuate entire towns to it. Repeat until all civilians are safe. (I assumed this is what people were going for with Hidden Heaven)
To be clear: this is just for Hazou ninjutsu right? I'd agree with this ordering for him, but think being able to make mist is more important.
Yes. Having low stealth has been a problem for us many, many times (Jiraiya finding us, Liberator nin catching us, Hot Springs going murdery, Clan ninja finding us, Arikada and friends spotting our ambush). Many things would be resolved by having it higher. Unfortunately, that's just going to cost loads of XP. I don't think there's really a clever way we can solve that, since clever hiding methods only normally grant 1-3 additional dice.
Ridiculously Average Guy
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Well, we're already halfway into bed with them. We might as well run with this.
Use our Airtech to place transmitters all over the elemental nations, and have them go full big brother. From there, winning should be relatively easy.
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Our ideal Jutsu for Taijutsu would probably be something like Earth Release: Earth Spear.
Of course getting it doesn't seem easy.
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What do you mean by this?
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Idea for our merchant network: create a trade route that go from ozu island to tea to fire.
Why? Chocolate. We might find safe haven in the VHITM, and we'll be able to trade within Fire.
Our focus is coming up with tech and logistics so we can rake large quantity of profit transporting chocolate, and making sure that we're not harassed by pirates or ninja navies.
Why? Chocolate. We might find safe haven in the VHITM, and we'll be able to trade within Fire.
Our focus is coming up with tech and logistics so we can rake large quantity of profit transporting chocolate, and making sure that we're not harassed by pirates or ninja navies.
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