Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

eaglejarl · May 27, 2024

Halberdier said:
(I don't remember how long rune infusion takes offhand

About an hour.

Left-Hand Mutant · May 27, 2024

Halberdier said:
Just to check, one of our hopeful answers to the "how do we deliver rune payload" question is, once we have TH, to try and hack a version of earth jutsu that creates a viable blank of a rune wholesale, right? After we have high veterancy with it, and we still need to infuse it, which isn't instantaneous (I don't remember how long rune infusion takes offhand). And determining if we have use ES or need bones of creation or some other means of doing this technique.

Incidentally, isn't there a ruling pending on BoC being 1/4 cost up to ES cap, since it's a derivative of ES and we have expertise with it? Or am I mistaken?

Infusing takes an hour or more, IIRC.
Also, activating a rune seems to include a semi-random many-seconds delay.

ContextBot · May 27, 2024

eaglejarl said:
The Leopard Scroll is currently in active use, although the Leopards are being cagey about the name of their Summoner or his/her location.

I wonder if the scroll is just the Feline Scroll, maybe that's why the Leopards want to take over Hyena. They would gain an independent scroll.

Paperclipped said:
They have not yet replied, and while I expect Leopard will continue their alliance with Pangolin, Hyena may yet accept.

Paperclipped said:
, but with Leopard and Pangolin united against Hyena

Yeah! We can test the Runes on a living summoner!

/s ?

Lord Marshal · May 27, 2024

ContextBot said:
Why are they failing?

And collaborative actions to stop threats against the current World Order happened before:

Reasonable assumption: "Super shiny that kills any S-ranker regardless of compatibility" is basically what everyone wants from the start of the ninja era. I find a reasonable assumption that the villages didn't invent Super Skywalkers 2.0 in this short amount of time, including the fact that the world is currently kept in balance by the Akatsuki, instead of [Insert Village] conquering everything as Jiraiya wanted to do with Pax Konoha.
Moreover, it doesn't matter if they did, this is from the PoV of Itachi, and i think it's fair to say he's confident enough in the Akatsuki martial power to believe this.

Halberdier · May 27, 2024

eaglejarl said:
About an hour.

Is that something that is time ladder-able with experience? I suppose that'll be a "TIAFO"

Kyreneryk · May 27, 2024

Ipsos Custodes said:
I third this, though with the concern that we're copying the effect of a Rune failure.

A 25% speedup is probably sufficient to empower any of the Leaf Jonin to take out the Akatsuki, probably not Hazou. I'd assume it would increase combat stats as being functionally 25% greater since combat stats represent a combination of skill and speed.

I think that might be a bit optimistic. Even if that was how it worked, a jōnin rolling at 60 base would only hit 75 under a 25% multiplicative boost, and in reality it probably isn't that good, because the buff stacking rules might keep any numerical bonus from being useful unless it beats what the jōnin in question could already get from their own buffs. (Also, I'm not sure the bonus would be as good as 25%.) That said, if the buff stacking rules don't apply to it, or in the hands of a jōnin with an unusually high base statline who doesn't use buffs of their own, I agree that PLTR125 might be enough to let them stand against an S-ranker.

PLTR200 would be another story, of course - even discounting whatever numerical boosts you got, experiencing time twice as fast ought to mean getting twice as many actions - but since Hazō has yet to push beyond TR125, that'd be putting the cart before the horse a bit.

Worth noting also that (if the idea pans out) CLTRs might be the better choice to get that high. I've been assuming they're harder than PLTRs because the failures that inspired this were pulses, but the fact that they can apply the effect gradually might make them easier than PLTRs at higher accelerations, and even if not the reusability and continuous nature makes them much better candidates for an array version.

Re. the runic failure issue, I considered that, but I think it's not really an issue, especially since this is only a minor runic failure and not a major one. Hazōpilot might think differently, of course.

Nebulus said:
Do we really want to give Orochimaru ideas? Unless we can mask it as something else than a time-related rune. And make sure he is not there to see the effects, because he's not stupid.

Orochimaru getting ideas is probably the single biggest issue with this idea, it's true. It'd be basically impossible to disguise this as not a temporal rune to anyone experiencing or observing the effects, and handing out the buff on a mass scale is the primary attraction of PLTRs, so it would get back to him. That said, I think most anti-Akatsuki weapon candidates risk giving Oro ideas in one form or another; this one is worse because what it would give him is a way to get stronger more quickly, but it's not a problem unique to this particular weapon.

faflec · May 27, 2024

Velorien said:
"Before anything else, did you learn nothing from the original incident? You are delivering city-killers to the Hokage. To be sure, the Eighth is of a different mould to the Seventh, and is a man to whom I am prepared to feel a certain amount of actual loyalty, but he is human, just as the Seventh was human. You wish him to live his entire life with the temptation of ultimate destructive power, of eliminating any given threat to all in his care, of creating a permanent Pax Konoha with but a single great sacrifice? Or do you wish to keep your death runes under sole control, defying the Hokage's direct orders when they come, facing off against Leaf in a war where the fate of the world is at stake, all our loved ones are on the other side, and your only weapons are weapons of mass destruction?

So, to be clear...is Tsunade not considered to be a Hokage? Because if she is, she'd be the Eighth, and Naruto the Ninth.

faflec · May 27, 2024

[X] Interlude: Kamehameha Conversation

Halberdier · May 27, 2024

faflec said:
So, to be clear...is Tsunade not considered to be a Hokage? Because if she is, she'd be the Eighth, and Naruto the Ninth.

She agreed to take it provisionally only. I'm pretty sure if someone has said "you will/won't be referred to as Hokage for the rest of your life", that would have been deal-breaker for her taking it. As in, she'd only fill in IFF she wasn't considered a full Hokage. And nobody wants to get punched to convince her.

That's my guess, anyway.

faflec · May 27, 2024

Halberdier said:
She agreed to take it provisionally only. I'm pretty sure if someone has said "you will/won't be referred to as Hokage for the rest of your life", that would have been deal-breaker for her taking it. As in, she'd only fill in IFF she wasn't considered a full Hokage. And nobody wants to get punched to convince her.

That's my guess, anyway.

I'm really asking only because Kei's referred to Tsunade's successor as the Ninth in the past.

Velorien said:
"If Lord Akimichi was to be elected, he would be able to guide Naruto to complete his training, facilitating the development of his skills until Naruto the Tenth Hokage became a mature, competent leader on a level Naruto the Ninth could not hope to be. One can hardly claim the reverse. Yes, overall, I agree with Shikamaru that Lord Akimichi is the superior candidate.

RandomOTP · May 27, 2024

faflec said:
I'm really asking only because Kei's referred to Tsunade's successor as the Ninth in the past.

> Tsunade sat Kei down and had A Conversation:tm: about that

DanZapman · May 27, 2024

[X] Interlude: Kamehameha Conversation
[X] Interlude: Tsunade sat Kei Down and had A Conversation:tm: about Calling her Successor the Ninth

ProperAttorney · May 27, 2024