The specs on the rune says it eats light, not disintegrates matter, so it eats light and doesn't disintegrate matter regardless of what physics has to say about it.
I would expect a light-eating seal/rune to absorb whatever background radiation was available rather than absorb anything that could be considered electromagnetism. So sunlight and cosmic background, essentially, plus whatever gets deliberately shone upon it.
Chakra knows that infrared is light, even if Hazo doesn't, as evidenced by a HOWS seal set to produce redder-than-red light making its surroundings warm. So, I figure a light-eating seal would be able to cool things off at the same rate as they'd be radiating heat if surrounded by the void of space but somehow not evaporating. Droplet of water under those conditions could freeze reasonably quickly; rune gobbling up photons from everywhere across a volume could do the same in parallel to every droplet of a firehose, or an ocean current.
 
Chakra knows that infrared is light, even if Hazo doesn't, as evidenced by a HOWS seal set to produce redder-than-red light making its surroundings warm. So, I figure a light-eating seal would be able to cool things off at the same rate as they'd be radiating heat if surrounded by the void of space but somehow not evaporating. Droplet of water under those conditions could freeze reasonably quickly; rune gobbling up photons from everywhere across a volume could do the same in parallel to every droplet of a firehose, or an ocean current.
It might eat infrared, however eating the thermal energy from the inside of contiguous objects or substances is a bit less likely IMO. It's a light-eating rune, not a cooling-stuff rune.
 
A list of survivors, as eventually given by Minori:​

Of Hidden Sand:

Tō Fura, jōnin

Soon everyone on this list is going to have been a Kage at least once.

I mean it's not like Sand had many powerful options left.
Sand had him assumed dead until he helped bomb out their city and steal Gaara."

she is Sand's Hatake Kakashi, less the Dog summons and plus social skills.

Right. Ami, SC-Ami and To Fura are pretending to be the same person. Gotcha.
 
What's our current goal with the lighthousing? Are we working towards a specific arsenal of runes? Or are we just continuing to lighthouse without delivering until something from the outside world tells us to change course?
 
What's our current goal with the lighthousing? Are we working towards a specific arsenal of runes? Or are we just continuing to lighthouse without delivering until something from the outside world tells us to change course?
Currently one of our primary goals is to create a wormhole rune through which we can attack Akatsuki.
 
[X] Interlude: Snowflake Looking After Hazou

What's our current goal with the lighthousing? Are we working towards a specific arsenal of runes? Or are we just continuing to lighthouse without delivering until something from the outside world tells us to change course?
Get Snowflake and Hazou together. Continue lighthousing until they're regularly holding hands >:3
 
Aaaaaw 💜, what lovely sibling interactions! Love to see them work as a family (a nerd, a queen of deadpan, a killer tease just being their bad selves to each other), it's heartwarming. Can't wait to see them destroy save the world
Happy celebration to anyone who celebrates anything today! Memorial Day for those in the US who like the military, work-free day for those in the US who don't, the end of the Ford Model T for people who really really hate the Ford Model T, Louis-Ferdinand Céline's birthday if you're weird about French literature, Christopher Lee's birthday if you liked Saruman or Count Dooku, Henry Kissinger's birthday if yo- let's skip this one, it's also the anniversary of the death of John Calvin if you're still sore about the protestant reformation, my own HRT anniversary if you like to see me thrive, and the start of the National Reconciliation Week in Australia, as it is also the anniversary of hosting a referendum that said "oh wait, by the way, is a non-white person a person?" and believe it or not Australia has not been getting a lot better on the question since that one referendum went well, despite having an entire week dedicated to it
 
None of this happens. We told chakra to accelerate time and it accelerated time. That's it. We didn't ask for a zone of color shifting, so chakra told physics to take a hike with the rest of it, no matter how impossible that actually is.

Or at 3% those other effects were simply too subtle for Hazou to notice, or the effect is actually gradual rather than there being a sharp border.

I note that the purpose of this expedition is weapons research. I suppose the temporal rune is intended to give you more time for researching the things that will actually be fit for purpose?"

"Exactly! Plus, they'll be even more useful once we've dealt with Akatsuki. Free training time that no one else gets except the Gōketsu and their allies."

"My concern is that the effort invested must more than repay itself or it is a poor choice of investment."

"It will."

"...Very well. You are the expert and I shall trust your assessment.

We should be paying attention to this.

A) In character, how much time do we have? What is our genuine estimate for when Leaf/Hazou is going to get into a battle with the Akatsuki and need to kill them? Runes to help us make more Runes is great, unless we run out of time to make the Runes we actually need because we ran out of time making helpful prep Runes.

B) Out of character, this may be a warning from them to get moving on it because there's only so long they will be on board with lighthousing - they have warned us enough times that they'll allow lighthouses, but at the cost of other things still progressing potentially to our detriment.

Is this new Kage in Sand an example of that or just of world building generally? Hard to say, but they were without a Kage for so long that the premise that there was a ninja able to gain unanimous approval so abruptly is...suspicious.

C) I will again recommend trying to take an infused Rune to the 7th Path. It remains unclear to me what Hazou is going to do with a T150 Rune - stay entirely on the Human Path with all the associated risks that entails? I expect we will eventually do this anyway, so if it's going to be instant death then we should know earlier when non-failure will be very useful to us.
 
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Or at 3% those other effects were simply too subtle for Hazou to notice, or the effect is actually gradual rather than there being a sharp border.



We should be paying attention to this.

A) In character, how much time do we have? What is our genuine estimate for when Leaf/Hazou is going to get into a battle with the Akatsuki and need to kill them? Runes to help us make more Runes is great, unless we run out of time to make the Runes we actually need because we ran out of time making helpful prep Runes.

B) Out of character, this may be a warning from them to get moving on it because there's only so long they will be on board with lighthousing - they have warned us enough times that they'll allow lighthouses, but at the cost of other things still progressing potentially to our detriment.

Is this new Kage in Sand an example of that or just of world building generally? Hard to say, but they were without a Kage for so long that the premise that there was a ninja able to gain unanimous approval so abruptly is...suspicious.

C) I will again recommend trying to take an infused Rune to the 7th Path. It remains unclear to me what Hazou is going to do with a T150 Rune - stay entirely on the Human Path with all the associated risks that entails? I expect we will eventually do this anyway, so if it's going to be instant death then we should know earlier when non-failure will be very useful to us.
I do not intend to vote in taking an active rune to the seventh path without the toad sages' go-ahead, and separately, we do have two slots for sealing now, fortunately.
 
Thinking about Kei's warning about Temporal Runes not being directly useful, and thinking about the effects of the minor runic failures Hazō produced while researching TR125 -
He stopped a moment later. The island's gnats had frozen.

Surrounding the rune in every direction, the small, black bugs that came out to swarm at sundown had frozen dead in midair. He could still hear the faint sound of their buzzing. He turned and saw behind him, the gnats were still swarming. Only the ones within a few dozen yards of the rune had been caught in the effect.

Experimentally, he reached out to touch one. It resisted his touch at first, like he was trying to push a stone through honey. After a moment, it dropped into his palm. It still didn't move. He prodded at the sand within the area. It parted normally at his touch.
Hazō's second runic prototype infusion on the new island seems to have affected the fauna again – this time causing the birds and bees nearby to hasten and slow. Unfortunately, genjutsu-laden birdsong that accelerates and decelerates at random is not pleasant to listen to.
- I had a rune idea that I'd like to submit for consideration.

Pulsed Lingering Temporal Rune
Rune

On activation, generates a pulse that affects living beings within a small radius. Beings affected experience accelerated time, as if within the field of a Temporal Rune, except that the effect is tied to them rather than to an area of space, similar to the effects of Hazō's prototypes for TR125. The effect wears off over a period of [time; hours to a day would probably be ideal, but depends on what Hazō can get].


The motivation for this is that it allows Hazō to take the veterancy he's acquiring for Temporal Runes and apply it directly to an anti-Akatsuki weapon, one which doesn't require luring them into the radius of effect of a rune to work. Even a 25% increase in speed might translate to a fairly major boost to combat rolls, and a 100% or greater speedup could potentially allow Leaf to overwhelm Akatsuki with conventional ninja forces. Even if it didn't work on shadow clones (which is possible - the first incident didn't affect Hazō's clone, and while he hypothesizes it's because he has chakra I think a plausible alternative explanation is that it's because he was a chakra construct and not made of real matter) it could still dramatically enhance the combat abilities of Leaf jōnin in general. Maybe even chuunin, if the speedup could be pushed high enough.

I don't know whether this would work. The effects of the minor runic failures listed above suggest that it might, but they are also sealing failures and it might be much much harder to replicate their effects in a controlled manner. However, I think it might merit a prep day to find out.

Optional accessory runes:

Temporal Normalization Rune
Rune

On activation, wipes the effect of any PLTRs from anything within a small radius.

Continuous Lingering Temporal Rune
Rune

On activation, generates a field which creates a lingering speedup effect on anything within. Like PLTR runes, except that the application is gradual while targets stay within the rune's field (i.e. being there for 1 second might create a 5% persistent speedup, 2 seconds might create 10%, etc. up to a maximum value), so people could walk in and out of the rune's field to get the benefit instead of having to be crowded around it when it activates.
 
A) In character, how much time do we have? What is our genuine estimate for when Leaf/Hazou is going to get into a battle with the Akatsuki and need to kill them? Runes to help us make more Runes is great, unless we run out of time to make the Runes we actually need because we ran out of time making helpful prep Runes.
I give it a couple months at the minimum, somewhere between 6-12 at the upper end. The swan song of this gambit will be when the Akatsuki come looking for Hazou and don't find him, and don't take Naruto's excuses for an answer. Once they put their foot down and insist on meeting us, the jig is up and we only have a matter of days left to either put our plan into motion or do something else like go missing.

We should have at least a couple months since they just visited Leaf and have no real reason to show up again so soon, but after that it's not really clear, and we won't know whether we're a week or half a year away from the deadline until the fateful message from Naruto arrives. We have to play both angles: building up longer-term research plans as if we have plenty of time ahead of us and optimizing our short-term deliverables just in case they soon wind up needed.
B) Out of character, this may be a warning from them to get moving on it because there's only so long they will be on board with lighthousing - they have warned us enough times that they'll allow lighthouses, but at the cost of other things still progressing potentially to our detriment.

Is this new Kage in Sand an example of that or just of world building generally? Hard to say, but they were without a Kage for so long that the premise that there was a ninja able to gain unanimous approval so abruptly is...suspicious.
I wouldn't take this part quite so far, though. The farthest the QMs have taken that logic is something along the lines of "when we're busy discussing a fast-paced and involved storyline, we're not discussing the other goings-on in the world, which means some events might happen later than they probably should've." They've ominously waggled their eyebrows about this because in theory it does present an incentive to do interesting things to keep the kaijus from landing, but I think that's mostly in fun. If a kaiju is actually supposed to land, the QMs would only ever let themselves be delayed a little bit, lest the situation grow unsimulationist.

When I look at this Sand case study, I don't see anything too surprising. Chiyo, the previous Kazekage, was a very old S-Ranker who stepped up because she was the strongest ninja in the village at a time when they were desperately weak. Either she died in the war or took advantage of the new peace to retire and let a promising newcomer rise to the title instead, which is a reasonable thing for her to do around this sort of time in this sort of geopolitical position. And that the Kazekage that was chosen would be one of the few ninja who survived the Battle of the Gods is, ultimately, also of little surprise. The events and the timeframe are both very reasonable and I cannot meaningfully consider them a warning of anything other than "the QMs do indeed have the time to discuss these topics and make sure world events happen on time".

Broadly speaking, that's actually the baseline I operate from. It's fairly intuitive, after all, to just assume that events in the world happen on their own timetables, because that's how it normally works. From that angle, it could be said that getting into a complex involved storyline would artificially suppress that and make the external world less "happens on its own timetables", just a bit, until the current arc resolves and QM attention is freed up. But we haven't really been making plans around that artifical suppression, when it's just more intuitive (and, most of the time, more correct) to just expect the QMs to make relevant world events happen when they're meant to happen.

I certainly wouldn't expect the QMs to start throwing bigger and bigger events like this at us as punishment for going on the lighthousing mission until we finally go home. Time's passing, 's all, at a pretty fast rate because we came out here in order to have nothing to do but optimally spend our time.
 
Thinking about Kei's warning about Temporal Runes not being directly useful, and thinking about the effects of the minor runic failures Hazō produced while researching TR125 -


- I had a rune idea that I'd like to submit for consideration.

Pulsed Lingering Temporal Rune
Rune

On activation, generates a pulse that affects living beings within a small radius. Beings affected experience accelerated time, as if within the field of a Temporal Rune, except that the effect is tied to them rather than to an area of space, similar to the effects of Hazō's prototypes for TR125. The effect wears off over a period of [time; hours to a day would probably be ideal, but depends on what Hazō can get].


The motivation for this is that it allows Hazō to take the veterancy he's acquiring for Temporal Runes and apply it directly to an anti-Akatsuki weapon, one which doesn't require luring them into the radius of effect of a rune to work. Even a 25% increase in speed might translate to a fairly major boost to combat rolls, and a 100% or greater speedup could potentially allow Leaf to overwhelm Akatsuki with conventional ninja forces. Even if it didn't work on shadow clones (which is possible - the first incident didn't affect Hazō's clone, and while he hypothesizes it's because he has chakra I think a plausible alternative explanation is that it's because he was a chakra construct and not made of real matter) it could still dramatically enhance the combat abilities of Leaf jōnin in general. Maybe even chuunin, if the speedup could be pushed high enough.

I don't know whether this would work. The effects of the minor runic failures listed above suggest that it might, but they are also sealing failures and it might be much much harder to replicate their effects in a controlled manner. However, I think it might merit a prep day to find out.

Optional accessory runes:

Temporal Normalization Rune
Rune

On activation, wipes the effect of any PLTRs from anything within a small radius.

Continuous Lingering Temporal Rune
Rune

On activation, generates a field which creates a lingering speedup effect on anything within. Like PLTR runes, except that the application is gradual while targets stay within the rune's field (i.e. being there for 1 second might create a 5% persistent speedup, 2 seconds might create 10%, etc. up to a maximum value), so people could walk in and out of the rune's field to get the benefit instead of having to be crowded around it when it activates.
I greatly approve of the PLTR and endorse this as a whole.
 
You know, the Goketsu have been around for a while by now. I wonder when someone's going to approach Hazou, seeking permission to court/marry one of our clan ninja?
 
What's our current goal with the lighthousing? Are we working towards a specific arsenal of runes? Or are we just continuing to lighthouse without delivering until something from the outside world tells us to change course?
Gamma ray weapons seem to be a main effort.

my own HRT anniversary if you like to see me thrive
Happy anniversary! That is definitely something with celebrating. Or, as Leaf's broadsheet publisher would say, something worth celebarting.

I wouldn't take this part quite so far, though. The farthest the QMs have taken that logic is something along the lines of "when we're busy discussing a fast-paced and involved storyline, we're not discussing the other goings-on in the world, which means some events might happen later than they probably should've." They've ominously waggled their eyebrows about this because in theory it does present an incentive to do interesting things to keep the kaijus from landing, but I think that's mostly in fun. If a kaiju is actually supposed to land, the QMs would only ever let themselves be delayed a little bit, lest the situation grow unsimulationist.
This, with the minor addition that when we have less time to ponder we might simply not think of something and this it happens later than it should.



I certainly wouldn't expect the QMs to start throwing bigger and bigger events like this at us as punishment for going on the lighthousing mission until we finally go home. Time's passing, 's all, at a pretty fast rate because we came out here in order to have nothing to do but optimally spend our time.
This precisely.
 
We should have at least a couple months since they just visited Leaf and have no real reason to show up again so soon

We're halfway through that minimum. Each runic research cycle is 10 days? So that means we have three more we can be comfortable with, and after that each one may be considered on borrowed time.


The QMs have always seemed to deal fairly, I didn't mean to imply otherwise if it came across that way. But if you're bored with the current chapters I wouldn't be surprised if someone went "huh, we haven't thought about X in a while, what would they have been doing?"

There's also the fact that you probably know precisely how long Hazou has before the Akatsuki show up at Leaf, whether or not they will believe what Naruto has to say, and whether or not they are able to find Hazou within a week thereafter. So you know if we're running low on research time.

Pulsed Lingering Temporal Rune
Rune

On activation, generates a pulse that affects living beings within a small radius. Beings affected experience accelerated time, as if within the field of a Temporal Rune, except that the effect is tied to them rather than to an area of space, similar to the effects of Hazō's prototypes for TR125. The effect wears off over a period of [time; hours to a day would probably be ideal, but depends on what Hazō can get].


The motivation for this is that it allows Hazō to take the veterancy he's acquiring for Temporal Runes and apply it directly to an anti-Akatsuki weapon, one which doesn't require luring them into the radius of effect of a rune to work. Even a 25% increase in speed might translate to a fairly major boost to combat rolls,

I third this, though with the concern that we're copying the effect of a Rune failure.

A 25% speedup is probably sufficient to empower any of the Leaf Jonin to take out the Akatsuki, probably not Hazou. I'd assume it would increase combat stats as being functionally 25% greater since combat stats represent a combination of skill and speed.
 
I think it's pretty likely we die if we do this. We still can't beat Itachi's Deceit, so the Akatsuki would have to either not interrogate Hazou about what his secret seal research mission was, or fail to ask a question in the interrogation that would reveal that we intended to kill them. Remember that Itachi told us fairly broadly not to interfere in the Akatsuki's plans again, and we were definitely planning to do that. It's no guarantee but, well, I don't think the odds are great. The whole reason we're doing this almost-no-contact scheme is because we can't afford the Akatsuki showing up and learning what we're up to, and that remains true if we've canceled the mission and the Akatsuki are just asking what we were up to.

(Not to mention the risk that they loot pinata Hazou in the process. If they ask the wrong question Hazou would essentially be forced to reveal runes or else die for noncompliance, and neither of those are acceptable outcomes)

We could throw the dice on that, if we wanted. But it doesn't look like Hazou or Naruto is inclined to do that, if at all possible. I'd more likely expect, if push comes to shove, for Naruto to tell us to go missing so we can avoid the executioner's axe until a better solution of some kind can be found.

So, to me, in my estimation, yeah we are that committed.

That is a fair point, it's just that, well... i assumed Itachi already knows that?
He knows we're Leaf primary weapon expert, and the Akatsuki:
- killed Leaf's Kage unprovoked
-Exploded the Hokage Tower and ran away after murdering their Jounins
-Then came back asked for multiple things that would be casus belli on pain of the extermination of the village.

Itachi is, all things considered, smart, so i assumed he knows Naruto would use any resource (including Hazou) at his disposal to be prepared in case the Akatsuki decides to try this shit again. Anything less would be just sheer stupidity, and it's kinda the rules of the game. I guess the real damning question would be "If you had the weapons to kill us, would you?", but Itachi already knows the answer to that, the answer any ninja would give is "Yes", it's how ninjas think. (Funny thing, here Hazou would have the advantage, because he would honestly answer "Not if i think it would damage world peace/ressurection/ whatever" that is better than 99% of other ninjas)

I feel Itachi thinks there is nothing Hazou can do to the Akatsuki directly, aside from sabotaging the rift and ruining their plan, so he's willing to keep him alive for his benefit of world peace, even if he'll keep cooking Sealing countermeasures again them, because in his mind....what does it matter? The entirety of Sand, Mist,Leaf and Rock and Minor Villages are currently trying to develop anti-Akatsukia weapons and failing, of course Hazou would try to do so too.

This said, yes, the primary risk is Itachi discovering runes and upgrading Hazou threat level and killing him. But in my mind that was the status quo before the mission.

Ugh...let's just hope we don't need to make another stressful choice.
 
Chakra knows that infrared is light, even if Hazo doesn't, as evidenced by a HOWS seal set to produce redder-than-red light making its surroundings warm

All light produces warmth when absorbed. Infrared is often the chosen wavelength to radiate excess heat, but infrared, by itself, wouldn't be exceptionally warm. I bring it up because we may have to discuss Hazo's understanding of the infrared HOWS "failure"- by rights, all HOWS should have been warming the environment to a similar degree as the infrared HOWS was, including the ones Hazo already understood to be functioning normally rather than failing. I doubt a retcon is reasonable but I think we can at least persuade Hazopilot to think it through and conclude that it might have been redder-red rather than a failure, especially in the light (heh) of UV being accepted as a functional HOWS.

Ugh...let's just hope we don't need to make another stressful choice.
Weelllllll... too soon, at least. A recovery period in between might be nice.
 
"Yes", it's how ninjas think. (Funny thing, here Hazou would have the advantage, because he would honestly answer "Not if i think it would damage world peace/ressurection/ whatever" that is better than 99% of other ninjas)
The entirety of Sand, Mist,Leaf and Rock and Minor Villages are currently trying to develop anti-Akatsukia weapons and failing, of course Hazou would try to do so too.

Why are they failing?

And collaborative actions to stop threats against the current World Order happened before:

Meanwhile, the pressure on my plans increased. Jiraiya lived up to my expectations and exposed Kurosaki's foolish project in Iron long before it was ready, and the Hokage was able to convene the first Elemental Nations punitive force since Whirlpool. In the resulting chaos, with surviving missing-nin scattering all across the north and muddling the waters, I regrettably lost track of Inoue.

With Nagi that's three times. Akatsuki getting targeted by multiple countries together is absolutely a possibility.
 
I third this, though with the concern that we're copying the effect of a Rune failure.

A 25% speedup is probably sufficient to empower any of the Leaf Jonin to take out the Akatsuki, probably not Hazou. I'd assume it would increase combat stats as being functionally 25% greater since combat stats represent a combination of skill and speed.
Do we really want to give Orochimaru ideas? Unless we can mask it as something else than a time-related rune. And make sure he is not there to see the effects, because he's not stupid.
 
Just to check, one of our hopeful answers to the "how do we deliver rune payload" question is, once we have TH, to try and hack a version of earth jutsu that creates a viable blank of a rune wholesale, right? After we have high veterancy with it, and we still need to infuse it, which isn't instantaneous (I don't remember how long rune infusion takes offhand). And determining if we have use ES or need bones of creation or some other means of doing this technique.

Incidentally, isn't there a ruling pending on BoC being 1/4 cost up to ES cap, since it's a derivative of ES and we have expertise with it? Or am I mistaken?
 
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