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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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...I probably don't have time to read 400+ messages before the vote ends. I would also like to try to convince Jiraiya to let Hazou stay in Leaf so that the two of them together can make some killer (literally!) seals.

I honestly don't see how we defeat Akatsuki otherwise. Running around the various nations seems like a waste of Hazou's time to me. We need those weeks and/or months spent on sealing projects for various WMD's (planning fallacy and all that). Better yet, we could ask Jiraiya what type of effects he wants, look at the various shiny seals in the libraries that are now completely open to us, and then MacGyver up some real mad science shit.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
My model of Shikaku has him agree to sending us out, but having deep reservations. We do have an awe-inspiring ability to revolutionize warfare, but at the same time, having us in the village with the Hyuga and Uchiha is a massive political risk, and Nara knows this. If the Hyuga and Uchiha try to usurp power from Jiraiya, the attempt is going to split the leadership and power in the middle of a Leaf existential crisis, thus worsening the chances that Konohagakure continues to exist. Shikaku knows that awesome as the ability to win wars more convincingly is, having a state to win the war for is far more important to him. Therefore he's doing his best to minimize attack surfaces for Jiraiya's enemies to attack Jiraiya with so that Jiraiya can focus on being the best interim Hokage he can be.

That, and I think people underestimate how politically poisonous Hazou is. He's (1) a former missing-nin (2) who defected from his original village and (3) whose acceptance and promotion to chunin was railroaded through, (4) has demonstrably poor social skills, especially with superiors, and (5) got his team kicked out for threatening a well respected top doctor. We are one of the biggest attack surfaces that the enemies of Jiraiya can attack. This mission is a "get out of the city so that you don't say something stupid and get the city to destroy itself". It also incidentally handles something Jiraiya is likely too busy to be handling, so there's a lot of benefits, which Shikaku has to also be able to see.
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I don't disagree. However, it remains that the possibility exists to find something even less dangerous than a Class-C mission for Hazou that accomplishes the same goals.

Inferno Vulpix said:
We have Kagome's Jounin-tier seal fighting on our side, and we have Skywalkers to avoid combat. We aren't expected to see any real combat and C-class missions are not dangerous. There's no need to try and get as much as we can out of Jiraiya given that we'll very likely frustrate him with the attempt, which beyond being plain rude is detrimental to Jiraiya doing a good job tomorrow.
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Completely disagree. Social posturing shit doesn't matter if you're dead. Avoiding even a small chance of that happening is worth maybe annoying people or even pissing them off in the short term.
 
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*throws hands in the air*

[] Poll: "Our time is more valuable to Leaf spent R&Ding." (Do we ask to be left behind?)
[] Poll: "Yes. Hokage-sama." (Do we ask to be left behind?)

Sort this out people, I'm going afk.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
That, and I think people underestimate how politically poisonous Hazou is. He's (1) a former missing-nin (2) who defected from his original village and (3) whose acceptance and promotion to chunin was railroaded through, (4) has demonstrably poor social skills, especially with superiors, and (5) got his team kicked out for threatening a well respected top doctor. We are one of the biggest attack surfaces that the enemies of Jiraiya can attack. This mission is a "get out of the city so that you don't say something stupid and get the city to destroy itself". It also incidentally handles something Jiraiya is likely too busy to be handling, so there's a lot of benefits, which Shikaku has to also be able to see.
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The easiest way to address this would be to have Hazou voluntarily isolate himself in a sealing lab so that he will be able to do nothing but produce altered seals and therefore more political value. Mari is still most likely staying behind regardless of what we choose to do this update, so she could act as an intermediary to deflect noisy neighbors while Hazou is working.

Hell, we just need to hang a sign on the door that says: "I already revolutionized war once, and now I have to do it again, but faster and in such a way to kill multiple S-rank ninjas. If you don't have an appointment please leave the blast radius, also known as the premises. Thank you."

If there ever was a time to seal-hermit it up in Leaf for a month or two, it's now. I realize how hypocritical that might sound coming from me since I was so adamant about not getting stuck in a gilded cage in Leaf, but the difference now is that we will voluntarily sequester Hazou, not have him be forced into it. Choice is everything.
 
[x] Poll: "Yes. Hokage-sama." (Do we ask to be left behind?)

Going out and doing stuff will lead to happier GMs. Happier GMs will give more exp and be more lenient on world breaking exploits
 
[X] Poll: "Yes. Hokage-sama." (Do we ask to be left behind?)

Jiraiya's not in the mood for anything approaching insubordination. He literally threatened to kill clan heads if they interrupted him. No defying orders. We go do what we're told and do this C-Class mission, and help his agents out at our discretion as we were instructed to do.
 
[X] Poll: "Yes. Hokage-sama." (Do we ask to be left behind?)
[X] Poll: -schizophrenic break- (Do we ask to be left behind?)
 
[X] Poll: "Our time is more valuable to Leaf spent R&Ding." (Do we ask to be left behind?)

Strongly agree.

I am willing to change my position if someone can point out to me how we, as in Hazou and team, defeat Akatsuki without months of seal-craft R&D. Leaf can probably call upon allies to aid them, but I doubt we can find any friendly or neutral S-rankers willing to fight Akatsuki on Leaf's behalf. I further doubt how our team itself would prove to be more useful in such recruitment efforts rather than someone far more respectable from Leaf.

If there is a third option to fight Akatsuki, I'm listening. (I consider really big Pangolins too far out of our current reach to count at this point in time and it's something we want for Keiko anyway that takes XP. Therefore, we still have to do other stuff to get XP to increase her summoning level and corresponding stats. We could try to go all-in on summons, but I believe that would be too risky for uncertain gains. On the subject of exotic skills we would never have access to before, why not ask Jiraiya for the 4th's FTG seals and/or sage-mode? Might as well see if someone on our team can use it.)
 
I am thinking the best way to approach this would be not to question his orders here and now, but to try and apprise him of our thoughts when there is less chance of it being seen as insubordination / introducing risk of political fallout. We do have two hours to plan and make ready.

Also, the team can continue on and do stuff regardless of what Hazou does. Believe me, I do want the fun of going out and doing things as well. But sometimes the rational thing to do is take the boring option anyway.
 
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Dictator4Hire said:
I am willing to change my position if someone can point out to me how we, as in Hazou and team, defeat Akatsuki without months of seal-craft R&D. Leaf can probably call upon allies to aid them, but I doubt we can find any friendly or neutral S-rankers willing to fight Akatsuki on Leaf's behalf. I further doubt how our team itself would prove to be more useful in such recruitment efforts rather than someone far more respectable from Leaf.
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Hazou doesn't need to spend time R&D'ing, Hazou's the idea man. We need Jiraiya to spend time R&D'ing.

Good luck convincing the Hokage to step down and spend the next couple of months in a seal lab.
 
faflec said:
Hazou doesn't need to spend time R&D'ing, Hazou's the idea man. We need Jiraiya to spend time R&D'ing.

Good luck convincing the Hokage to step down and spend the next couple of months in a seal lab.
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And hey, you know what'd let him do that? Taking over his spy network for him.
 
faflec said:
Hazou doesn't need to spend time R&D'ing, Hazou's the idea man. We need Jiraiya to spend time R&D'ing.

Good luck convincing the Hokage to step down and spend the next couple of months in a seal lab.
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His first priority is to find his son. Barring that, his next priority is to ensure that Leaf survive.
 
faflec said:
Hazou doesn't need to spend time R&D'ing, Hazou's the idea man. We need Jiraiya to spend time R&D'ing.

Good luck convincing the Hokage to step down and spend the next couple of months in a seal lab.
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He might see the reason here if the idea comes from Shikaku. I'm sort of with @Dictator4Hire on this one. How the hell are we going to deal with the Akatsuki? At this point I am dubious that even if the entire EN pulled together that they'd stand a chance, much less Leaf's remaining forces. But presumably Jiraiya will want to attempt that anyway, if not dissuaded otherwise.

E: Like, if we had Jiraiya making seals for us while we munchkined them, we'd invent a new tier of S* rank bullshit in a month.
 
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faflec said:
Hazou doesn't need to spend time R&D'ing, Hazou's the idea man. We need Jiraiya to spend time R&D'ing.

Good luck convincing the Hokage to step down and spend the next couple of months in a seal lab.
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Parsing through all of the newly available seals to see which ones we can use will take a considerable amount of time. We also have to account for Hazou's current education level: if we want him to split atoms he has to know that atoms exist first.

I would envision Hazou spending most of his time expanding his knowledge pool, amassing various seals and/or their specific parts/triggers to use for a project, compiling a large enough list for Jiraiya's perusal, and then handing said list over to Jiraiya (or stand-in seal-master) for proofreading and checking for feasibility plus difficulty. After all of that is done, then Jiraiya can do the actual seal-work (if it even requires someone of his skill level). If we can find someone skilled enough to make Skywalkers we might not have to intrude upon Jiraiya's precious time.

Actually that's probably for the best: have another sealmaster attempt whatever crazy concoction Hazou comes up with and if it is beyond his ability but still shows promise, then call in Jiraiya. Gotta be as efficient as possible with our resources in war-time after all.
 
Akatsuki doesn't need to be fully defeated in a few days - Jiraiya and company just need to rescue Naruto and then GTFO to get to Leaf safely. Also, if this is like canon then there's a good chance much of Akatsuki will be severely drained due to trying to extract the Three-Tails from Yagura, making them vulnerable. Backed up by more ninja and not tired from already having been fighting in a battle I would say Jiraiya's group have a chance of succeeding in their mission.
 
We need to work on convincing Kagome to share his shaped charges with J for the rescue mission.
 
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