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K. For right now, I would like to float the idea of the Pirate Plan, because, if viable, it would be a significantly more effective way to lighthouse.

Ask about the medical practicality, and mention that Hazou is tempted by the huge advantages, but is uncomfortable with becoming someone who thinks of unwilling victims as resources. (possible note it's the kind of fucked-up thing the Sanin would have done).

as a bonus, this also sounds like a fun scene to read/write.
Right now all of the EN is searching the Southern Isles. It's really not a good idea at the moment. There's no particular reason to do it now and plenty of reasons to wait.
 
If we find any hints of the Otter scroll I think that would be the obvious next target. If that produces loot without an unstagnation then the issue with scroll hunting is that Mari is the only non-Summoner trained to be a Summoner on the team and she retired. Acquiring the Summoning stunt takes a long period of time. I consider scrolls a lower priority with the constraints we have right now, and would suggest we continue to consider the list of stuff EJ reminded us when we fought the Leopards. Given that we did unstagnate, adventuring seems reasonably productive after all and we may want to check other stuff out.
Yeah, that's another point about @Sir Stompy 's plan, I'd like to make it clear that we're willing to delay leaving and allocate more backup to the search team if they think there's something promisinge but they need a bit more time/firepower to investigate.

Also, lets make a point to sweep the center and other points of the Jashin-dice-triangle, either before we leave, or on our way out.
 
Right now all of the EN is searching the Southern Isles. It's really not a good idea at the moment. There's no particular reason to do it now and plenty of reasons to wait.
I mean, there is a particular reason to upgrade out lighthouseing as early in the lighthouseing process as possible....
but yeah, Southern Isles ain't worth the risk.

dunno how much navel activity there is in other parts of the EN, or how hard it would be to find some northern pirates.....

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped , how much navel activity is there in other parts of the EN(away from the Southern Isles), and how hard would it be to find some (chakra using)pirates in these other places?

seems like the kind of thing Kei/Snowflake or Mari might know.
 
Yeah, that's another point about @Sir Stompy 's plan, I'd like to make it clear that we're willing to delay leaving and allocate more backup to the search team if they think there's something promisinge but they need a bit more time/firepower to investigate.

Also, lets make a point to sweep the center and other points of the Jashin-dice-triangle, either before we leave, or on our way out.
This is basically a complete waste of time, we just blew a month on this cave for an unstag. Which is not terrible in isolation but pretty fucking bad when we have a deadline as short as 2(!) months from now.

The Scroll is useless to us in the timeframe we have. We can always come back later.

This will take weeks. Weeks we emphatically do not have.
 
This is basically a complete waste of time, we just blew a month on this cave for an unstag. Which is not terrible in isolation but pretty fucking bad when we have a deadline as short as 2(!) months from now.

The Scroll is useless to us on the timeframe we have. We can always come back later.

This will take weeks. Weeks we emphatically do not have.
Mayhaps we can split the party and have Hazō, Noburi, and Yuno stay in the cave doing research for a cycle or two while the others search for signs?

Not advocating for this position, but I see it being an option.
 
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

Do y'all have a preference for how you'd want Kei to unstagnate her leadership domain? The best idea I have for it is to have her go to Toad and spend some time simping for Noburi to recruit new summons for him.

Hazou has the only tracker spec we have. I don't see this working for that reason.
There's no distance limit to the range between summon and summoner, though paying the chakra cost over and over would be pretty disruptive.

EDIT: I actually don't think she's willing to help search the deep desert anyway, so she's of limited use anyway if we have to go too far from the cave.
 
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Do y'all have a preference for how you'd want Kei to unstagnate her leadership domain? The best idea I have for it is to have her go to Toad and spend some time simping for Noburi to recruit new summons for him
This is just so bizarre from the PoV of the EN. It would be so incredibly counterproductive. We should not do this. Instead, have her recruit her own Summons.
 
Yup, and she has learned it.


Nothing for it then. Open to plan adoption, and have ~100 words to spare.


Action Plan: Double the Hijinks
Words: <300
Intended duration: 1 day

Yuno
-Tries using SC for the first time.
-She has no bloodline limit, so there shouldn't be any cognitive separation issue, right?
-Proceed to Yuno immediately having an existential crisis about if Satsuko can be copied, what that means, and each Yuno being jealous if Noburi looks at the other. Or however Velorien thinks the scene would play out, we trust him.​

-Hazou
  • Continue dual tracking Unchained TR150 and Force Domes w/DoB, reroll for progress, drop prep as Hazoupilot prefers
  • Contine rerolling both for progress until Hazou has <4 FP
  • Difficulty checks on: Great Seal, Space-Contracting, Earth-Element Focus, Superheater, Distresser, Chakra EMP. If there are additional free days and the Great Seal prep day has not yet rolled a +0 or better, reprep it.
Noburi
  • Should prioritize working on SC research, healing Yuno, and teaching Hazou Mednin (in that order, research mechanics pending)
Kagome
  • Continue working on Banshee Fuckers, coordinate cycles with Hazou so that we don't waste his work.
Kei, Tenten
  • Should prioritize searching the caves for the Otter Scroll (and more prosaically, cleaning up any traces of our battles therein) . SOP: retreat from chakravores/magmaspines unless they think they can gank them.
 
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Hazou
  • Continue dual tracking Unchained TR150 and Force Domes w/DoB, reroll for progress, drop prep as Hazoupilot prefers
  • Contine rerolling both for progress until Hazou has <4 FP
  • Difficulty checks on: Great Seal, Space-Contracting, Earth-Element Focus, Superheater, Distresser, Chakra EMP. If there are additional free days and the Great Seal prep day has not yet rolled a +0 or better, reprep it.
Why the Superheater? Won't the whole hot-air-go-up make it trickier to deploy? Do we really need another nuke?

I'd be interested in setting one of our FOOM-clones to work on combat seals, or at least prep for them. Force Kunai, Extendable Force Claws, and Continuous Tinted Strobelights are all promising.

This is basically a complete waste of time, we just blew a month on this cave for an unstag. Which is not terrible in isolation but pretty fucking bad when we have a deadline as short as 2(!) months from now.

The Scroll is useless to us in the timeframe we have. We can always come back later.

This will take weeks. Weeks we emphatically do not have.
Mayhaps we can split the party and have Hazō, Noburi, and Yuno stay in the cave doing research for a cycle or two while the others search for signs?
If the searchers finish with the cave with time to spare, I'd like them to skywalk straight to the 2 other points and centre of triangle and see if there are any obvious points of interest there. That shouldn't take very long.

Mari is donating all her chakra to Hazou and isn't available for delving
Pull from Yuno and Kagome to get her enough chakra to step in an emergency.


[X] Training Hazou: Research Spec
 
@eaglejarl, @Velorien, @Paperclipped

Gentle boop.

Does the Kagome Sensor Seal, the Minato Sensor Seal, or the Jiraiya Seal that turns chakra visible, provide a buff to THing? Since it would boost Hazou's ability to see what he's doing with chakra while Hacking it?

Additionally, Hazou noted that it was far easier to slip into THing trance while in/under the effects of the Cave Water. Does this mean that the cave applies a THing bonus?

These past few chapters have seen several party members get wounded, in various degrees of severity. Noburi has worked on Immediate Care and Ongoing Care for everyone. Given that some of these party members were severely wounded (and in Yuno's case, a brush away from Death), did Noburi unstagnate his Medical Domain from this? Or perhaps make any progress towards unstagnating?

Is there any way we could get the mechanics for Ami's Ultimate Buster Bomb jutsu? We're eventually going to need to level another 20-stat for Noburi's build, and we need to be able to compare his current options against each other.
 
Why the Superheater? Won't the whole hot-air-go-up make it trickier to deploy? Do we really need another nuke?
@ProperAttorney wanted to see it and it seems interesting to me. The hot air likely won't destroy it the way the hypertornado would a Superchiller so it is a WMD that doesn't need to be fail-safe.
I'd be interested in setting one of our FOOM-clones to work on combat seals, or at least prep for them. Force Kunai, Extendable Force Claws, and Continuous Tinted Strobelights are all promising
1) other posters want to see prep days on other things, triple tracking leaves us no time for prep days unless we cut into FOOM
2) Our Sealing AB and PS AB do not sync up, so we'd be non-DoB alt-tracking these seals. Unacceptable level of risk for anything above chunin.

After we run out of prep days people have been waiting for, probably 1ish more plans. Then we can probably alt track some genin/chunin seals.
 
Is there any way we could get the mechanics for Ami's Ultimate Buster Bomb jutsu?

Ami's Ultimate Buster Bomb

TypeManeuverStrain
ElementWater
Effect1+10
DurationThirty seconds+30
Durability1+6
RangeSame Zone+40
Casting SpeedStandard
AOESingle-target
DisadvantageAspect only usable at GM's discretion-17
Totals14 CP69 strain

The user prankster coalesces up to [Level] liters of water into a sphere, which can be thrown or propelled into the target prankee's face. The sphere has the approximate hardness of an orange, and bursts if force sufficient to bruise an orange is applied, soaking and embarrassing the target of this supremely overpowered ninjutsu.

If the user succeeds in a roll of Ami's Ultimate Buster Bomb (contested by the target's Athletics), the target gains the Aspect "Soaked", and the user gains a tag on this Aspect. This Aspect is only usable at the GM's discretion. At GM's discretion, this may deal a point of stress.

The water used to form the sphere must be within arm's reach of the caster. The water may not be inside another living being.

And yes, this jutsu was 100% Ami pranking Noburi.

Additionally, Hazou noted that it was far easier to slip into THing trance while in/under the effects of the Cave Water. Does this mean that the cave applies a THing bonus?
Yes, the effect of the cave's water provides a small bonus to Technique Hacking.

What Elements is Sasuke publicly known to know? Fire I assume, does he know Lightning too?
Yes, he is known to have Fire and Lightning. It's always possible, of course, that he has others that aren't public knowledge.

These past few chapters have seen several party members get wounded, in various degrees of severity. Noburi has worked on Immediate Care and Ongoing Care for everyone. Given that some of these party members were severely wounded (and in Yuno's case, a brush away from Death), did Noburi unstagnate his Medical Domain from this? Or perhaps make any progress towards unstagnating?
Noburi did not unstagnate his medical domain, but he did make progress.

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Do we need to have the chakrasealing/sealhacking/minatosealing stunt in order to continue learning minatoseal 9+? Or is having TH alone enough at the moment? It's fine either way, I'm just amused at the thought of it jumping from no TH needed to TH 40 being needed.
The stunt is required.


Why is this different from CATEARS? (also a Reflexive Supplemental to activate).
Good point, that ruling is inconsistent with elsewhere (e.g. Geode Coffin only being triggerable if you're attacked). We're going back on that ruling – in general, the reflex that a ninja trains in order to be able to act out of turn will only be in response to being attacked, so every Reflexive Supplemental only works if attacked.

Did Noburi pick up anything in his time with Tsuande that suggests he might be able to eventually use his capstone medical stats (Medical Ninjutsu, Medical Knowledge) in combat?
Such as Pain Induction? He picked up nothing explicit from Tsunade, but that jutsu alone suggests that capstone medical stats can be used in combat.

@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped

Are "explosive seal" and "explosive seal with a timer" two different seals?

How long is the maximum duration on the timer?

If they are two different seals, does Hazou think he could research a rune that functions the same way?

If they're not, does he have a theory about why his explosive rune doesn't seem to have a timer?

Yes, they are different seal designs, though the difference is pretty negligible.

The maximum duration on Kagome's long-timer explosives is 10 minutes.

Yes, Hazō thinks he could research an explosive rune with a timer as a probably-trivial variant of an explosive rune.

He didn't build in a timer, wanting to keep his first ever rune as simple as possible, as he obviously wouldn't be attaching the explosive rune to a kunai and throwing it (the usual use for the timer on an explosive seal).


Old quote that I didn't see myself responding after a couple of pages so maybe I missed it but repeating won't hurt:
As far as the EJ pledge, I want to note that memory loss is explicitly not brain damage for this. We have no guarantee that Jiraiya actually remembers the last decade or so of his life (or any other period of time you care to imagine), and I would consider that a valid dealbreaker for himself and/or Mari. We have a guarantee that he won't act like he has dementia.
I'm not willing to write a situation where Jiraiya has lost major stretches of memory. I would be comfortable with him having lost the day or two before his death and it seems likely that we will snip away some of his XP (downgrading his stats in the process) which will be represented in part as forgetting stuff, but I will insist that be purely mechanical.
 
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Good point, that ruling is inconsistent with elsewhere (e.g. Geode Coffin only being triggerable if you're attacked). We're going back on that ruling – in general, the reflex that a ninja trains in order to be able to act out of turn will only be in response to being attacked, so every Reflexive Supplemental only works if attacked
How does this square with jutsu like Pangolin Flash that are useless if not cast before initiative is decided? They can't be a response to an attack since that can only happen after initiative is decided, and initiative order doesn't change.

Initiative affecting jutsu are the one exception to this rule? Or did they just become useless?
 
"Hey," Noburi said to his sister.
IDK why I thought he was talking to Aya or Saya

In the distance, a (probably) coyote howled
Ah yes. The MfD wildlife. That reminds me: what happened to our cat(?)?

I can make a rune that reproduces the ice storm that hit near Leaf, except with a vastly larger radius.
Wait… does the general public know what the EM nuke was (in that that they know it was an ice storm)?

"And, of course, you trained me. I would have been dead a hundred times over without your safety procedures and training. Any glory I ever achieve with seals or runes will be owed in part to you. You have given me purpose, and hope, and the tools to reshape the world into something better than I found it. I am so proud to be your student." He bowed, a full dogeza, and held it for a moment before sitting up again and looking around the circle. (He carefully paid no attention to Kagome-sensei surreptitiously wiping at his eyes.)
Yesss! Kagome is very important to us. We don't tell him often enough.

Missed an opportunity to have Hazou say "Believe it!" :sadface:
 
@eaglejarl, you are beautiful human being, and thank you for taking the time to answer all of our questions.

I know that running this quest isn't always the easiest thing to do, but I appreciate all the effort that you, @Velorien, and @Paperclipped have been putting in.

Mega hugs, super vibes, and a mountain of cookies.
 
I'm not willing to write a situation where Jiraiya has lost major stretches of memory. I would be comfortable with him having lost the day or two before his death and it seems likely that we will snip away some of his XP (downgrading his stats in the process) which will be represented in part as forgetting stuff, but I will insist that be purely mechanical.
I mentioned it as a meme the other day, but I'm finding myself actually fairly intrigued by the idea of cutting Jiraiya's XP but leaving his unstagnations intact. It would mean that he doesn't have to take the long way back, that even if he's back down to (say) ordinary Jounin levels of expertise he still kept with him all the lessons he learned along the way, etched into his being and just needing to be woven back into all the stuff that makes a skill level high.

Mechanically, it'd let him grow quite fast (maybe even quest-relevant fast!) and yet still end up at approximately the same power level he started at, naturally tapering off after that point.
 
[X] Interlude

Since I don't have time to properly refine my plan (forgetting about Mari's retirement was a big yikes on my part), but don't want to skip ahead more than a week, especially to leave the cave without any research assessment, and without Kagome getting to do SC once (yes, I know the water effect lasts a bit afterwards. But we don't know specifics, and him emptying out is much less safe on the run).
 
I mentioned it as a meme the other day, but I'm finding myself actually fairly intrigued by the idea of cutting Jiraiya's XP but leaving his unstagnations intact. It would mean that he doesn't have to take the long way back, that even if he's back down to (say) ordinary Jounin levels of expertise he still kept with him all the lessons he learned along the way, etched into his being and just needing to be woven back into all the stuff that makes a skill level high.

Mechanically, it'd let him grow quite fast (maybe even quest-relevant fast!) and yet still end up at approximately the same power level he started at, naturally tapering off after that point.
maybe he will Respec into a character build that reveals lore to Hazo when he asks for it because it will literally save the planet

(Who am I kidding that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever posted)
 
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