Good point. I think the only mentions have been the Granny with the Sexy Laundry (who thought about walking into the wild, to be eaten by Chakra beasts, back during the famine, to save food for younger mouths), and Ami when she said that even the "ladies of the night" didn't have to sell their hearts away.
@Ishtar did just that right now and just voted to reject due to it. Honestly no lithosealing is kinda a deal breaker to me too, as I don't consider the plan likely to be viable if we don't do shock and awe to convince Itachi of our value first. But there is literally no other alternative to vote on right now, except for "Reject Akatsuki, continue Clan Politics" which I disagree with vehemently.
Okay, if i go back to explicitly mentioning iron-nerve, would you support it again? If i mention Lithosealing outright, then Mutant won't support it.
Re arranging a parley with Enma... doesn't Itachi just have to send a crow to the Conclave and then show up? What is there to arrange? And who is Karanium?
My impression from reading the chapter is he is already convinced as to the Dragons being an apocalyptic danger, no? He just doesn't think our value to the Dragonwar is really that high, because we appear to be little more than a Jounin Sealmaster to him right now, and he believes that we have made no progress despite working on the Rift for so long because we did not share 3D Sealing which Hazou explicitly points out in internal monologue would convince him otherwise.
Done.
You know my stance on the topic... I hesitate to outright remove my support just because its not in there, but its a very heavy preference and I believe it would massively help the plan if it were there, and it seems like Ishtar at least would disavow the rejecting plans if it were added back in, so it'd be an exchange of votes at worst. Plus at this rate the plan needs changing into something more appealing to pull in more votes anyway, since at status quo we seem unlikely to end up winning, from looking at the votes over the past 12h.
I strongly oppose this change. Kagome can take inventory of the notes, but only Hazo can debrief the Hokage. With Shadow clone disabled, we have to be seen clearly prioritizing loyalty to Leaf above licking our own wounds.
The main issue I see with it is, the first two are cooperative, and this one is antagonistic. I think leading with the antagonistic could run counter to the first two attempts at cooperation, and the third one is like 'alright, fine. Why don't you just demand it'. I... think that works better in a conversation? The other issue is, it would pretty much be a fig-leaf for exfiltration, because we're already under suspicious for murdering Asuma. It might not be enough of a option to prevent negative consequences.
I decided to put it back in front anway. I agree with that reasoning, I just hope it doesn't weaken any of the other pitches.
Maybe frame it as revisiting the previous discussion, now that hazou has shown his importance to the dragon war thereby refuting itachi earlier objections? The demand idea is similar to what hazou previously said about akatsuki hiring hazou, so that framing shows that hazou was actually listening to what itachi said and thought about it
To be clear my plan has Hazō taking inventory of the notes only after debriefing Tsunade.
Yeah, I'm increasingly thinking he shouldn't delay at all. Tardiness will not look good, and Tsunade will be able to tell if his words are rehearsed.
I like that idea, and you raise a good point that this is similar enough to the prior discussion that it risks 'were you even listening' from Itachi. So, establish our credentials, and then try to re-open the discussion on the basis of "now that you see that Leaf wouldn't killbox me without good reason..."?
It's more about letting Itachi appreciate just how terrible the dragon war is by talking to Enma. It's more clear from my original quote.
