"Kill as thou will" shall be the whole of the law.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
This sounds too close to "let's nuke Isan because what else can we do, right?"; this time we DO have alternatives, and Hidan is more flexible than Asuma. He wants us to do our quota? Fine, but on our terms. He doesn't care who dies so long as we do the killing, so let's use that.
We (and Hazou-pilot) can't be mad at Asuma for smashing the shiny red button like a monkey on steroid, if literally a week later we do the same.
Don't think it's a thing. Would be cool if it was tho
Seems like we could pay someone to invent it, then.
I bet Sand's puppet-users have a technique, if nothing else. Wonder if Leaf's ever managed to steal it, or if we could buy/trade for it.
Worth checking the Jutsu library and asking Asuma.
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I don't expect this to be persuasive to Hidan. Even with humanity collapsing, these particular people don't matter to Hidan as much as getting Hazou Jashin-buffs so he can do uplift better and spread the word of Jashin.
In general, I find these arguments pretty motivated and unpersuasive, and the tone unnecessarily challenging/combative.
None of this seems likely to convince Hidan that Hazou will be better of not sacrificing the village to earn Jashin's favor. I think it is likely to make Hidan annoyed and disappointed with us.
[x] Action Plan: Jashin Take the Wheel
GG everyone. I hear we get a Dresden Files quest next time.
GG everyone. I hear we get a Dresden Files quest next time.
This passage at the end of the chapter where Hidan explains his stance seems important:
[X] I'll Do It My Way
[X] I'll Do It My Way
- Thank Hidan for telling us about the murder-quotas. We've been wondering how to get Jashin's blessings.
- But we have strongly-held principles about which people we kill, and killing these people would violate them. So we won't.
- We'd do uplift without Jashin's blessing if we had to, but Jashin's blessing would obviously be a big help.
- There are plenty of people we *are* ok with killing.
- Now that we know about murder-quotas, we'll look for opportunities to kill people that are in keeping with our principles.
- Our pickiness means we'll probably never kill as many people has Hidan does, and that's ok. We're different people, and can serve Jashin through different means.
- Thank him for trying to help us with a slaughter. It was quite kind of him, but we'll do this our way.
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Is this about Hidan's senses? 👀 Or will Hidan test Hazō again?? Nice anyway
"And what's with the premature balding?"
"I needed to work up to 24 QPUs south and the walls are granite"
And there's a proverb about sealmasters and pre- ah, wait, it's Hidan.
Clever!
We're precious
Hahahahaha
I love how all of you write Hidan in general, but the "yes-nonsense" attitude is the best. That one line is just...
Oh we're going to have to have words about it aren't we.
Oh, that's sad. I wouldn't want immortality if I couldn't eat or drink.
Kakuzu sees the Deep Fucking Value of unmapped Fire assets it appears
When you work with Hidan regularly, sure, you gotta learn to express that urge to kill in different ways. Also when you're an unholy abomination using dark magic, unknown medical jutsu abilities, and probably a weird bloodline no one's heard of to stay alive but your eyes still rot, you make people uncomfy I guess. Shrug.
Well, on the one hand yes, but also no,
OH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE WORDS WITH ASUMA AND SHIKAMARU ABOUT THAT TOO WON'T WE.
Holy shit we got the most powerful dad in the world going protective. Or, well, murderous in a positive way.
He seems much more rational and much less murder-happy than the canon Kakuzu, which is interesting. I hope we get to learn more about him, you QMs made him... interesting. *sobs*
Yeeeaaaaah!
Ooooooh.
This. Hey players, remember the april fools shortly after Kagome joined, and the nightmare in the aftermath of the Sunset Racer, about meeting Itachi? Now we're stuck between two S-rankers, one borderline mad and the other clearly pissed off, and Asuma who I repeat I suspect will want to have words about this. And this is something that probably will become only more common as time goes on! And we're still nowhere near powerful enough to survive it if it comes to blows! Oh that's glorious. 💜
HE'S SUCH A DORK 💜
I love him so so much thank you for this aaaaaaaaaaa
Right? That's what I've been carefully-not-saying-out-loud!
And now everyone in Leaf will have heard it. Oh joy.
Oh hells yeah, I don't care if it's true lore or not that's badass.
But daaaaaad.
We're taking notes, we're taking notes
That's an interesting two-step program. I wonder how he got taken in by Pain. Did he hope that all chakra would be sacrificed to Jashin?
Taking notes for my cult that for legal reasons does not actually exist even though I already have converts
Aaaaaaaaaaaaa I love him so much, you make him so good
Hidan... you have a weird mind.
Huh. That's interesting. And might assuage some of Shikamaru's fears. Regardless of whether Jashin is real, the Jashin cult actively cuts down people claiming to receive knowledge from where it shouldn't come. Given the sheer size of Jashinism, that may come as a relief. And... that might even be part of the plan of a very involved Thinker clan?
Hmmmm. That has a nice ring to it. The Hagoromo will have a field day though.
He's downright cute. How did you do that?
Wait what
Dear Lord Hagoromo Ritsuo,
In order to preserve the peace between Hidden Leaf and the unkillable S-ranker Hidan, whom I brought from neutral to positively-inclined, I have to kill you. Please don't fight back, the Hokage has heard of it and
"You never visit, you never write..."
"Well you never destroy sovereign nations after losing at dice"
"That was ONE TIME"
No seriously, remember when the war was looking bad? Hidan reduced their numbers by two freaking hundred. He might be the only reason Leaf survived the war. Granted, he might also be the only reason we were at war.
Did he just idly reveal one of his fatal weaknesses? Okay that's a ridiculous one, but still. Huh. He likes us that much.
Oh we could be married to Hidan by extension... OMNICULE GO
Eep.
Wait, is Sasori the lil' twink? Or Deidara perhaps
Oh shit.
Shit. Oh that sucks.
My only thought that could help is that one thing that made Hidan decide that we were Jashin's chosen was when we did all we can to actually Not Sacrifice the people of Bababakuchioka.
Don't get me wrong I hate this with all my being, but... what if it works?
I'm not sure we have a choice, and that fucking sucks, and if we have one let's go for the other possibility, but... what if we did get Jashin's aid? Supernatural help that goes strictly in the direction of making sure the world does not end. Would that be good? I'm looking for a silver lining that probably does not exist, but still.
Can we say that Asuma will have us murdered if we do that? That's the most likely outcome.
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Is this all meta commentary, and the QMs are saying that the players need to have Hazou go out and Kill, Kill, Kill? That, if we do, we'll get Jashin-Blessed dice rolls, and if we don't, we'll have Surprise Hidan Interrupts?
[Puts on a tinfoil hat]
[Puts on a tinfoil hat]
I worry Hidan would think we take Jashinism too lightly; perhaps a wording like "we began Uplift before acknowledging Jashin's existence; with His blessing it would definitely go much smoother. We want his blessing, and we'll earn it. But not like this."
I'd be interested in fleshing out this "through different means" idea; I like the duality of Hidan being Jashin's face of death, while we could be His face of life. It could be an honest question to ask, and if providing more births is another legit way to get Jashin coins then Hidan shouldn't spit on it. We can kill and encourage births... which Hidan also does, in his own way at o-uzu. Just that we want to do it World-scaled.
I'm by no means the best wordsmith, would you like to take a crack at it?
Or I can try this evening.
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Note that you do not have that. So far as Hazō knows, Asuma is the only living person to know the Elemental Mastery jutsu. Hazō definitely doesn't.
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PONWOG, would it be within the realm of a Declare that Akane wrote down all the jutsu she knew for the Goketsu Vault, and that Hazou traced over the notes (thus recording the jutsu notes into his Iron Nerve?)
Admission: This is a transparent attempt to ensure the Goketsu still have secret access EM, or at least the jutsu that Asuma taught Akane.
But we know it exists and how to reverse engineer something like it, with seals it'd be pretty trivial. If we wanted to, we could probably run empirical tests on different components of what the EM actually did in the process of causing the nuke (like drastically lower the temperature for one), and find out if we can replicate the outcome. Plus there's the Asuma-hacked version that cannot cause a nuke, so by reverse-engineering what that's missing we could make a reasonable guess at what it was that caused the boom.
Also, Yuno.
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Asuma would know the fact via mindwalk and DEFINITELY order Hazou to destroy said notes.
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I think a lot of plans that hinge around shutting the massacre down (which is a good thing) ignore that Hidan like, specifically said that his whole schtick is that he does not contain himself or stop himself from any urges to kill unless there's a very good reason. If we give him cause to think we reject Jashinism at all or aren't fit for the job, the survivability drops a lot. And Game Over for us means Game Over for the world, unless Sasori can get Pain back and somehow Pain's right and his plan functions.
I notice that the quest evolved from "this is a deathworld where murder is common and always on the table and even if it sucks we gotta suck it up" to "how do we prevent murder as much as we can?" and while it's commendable I believe that from the point we established that we were going to save the world and there are none outside of us who are both able to do it and willing to do it (the Thinker clans are willing but not able, all nerfed that they are, and every single individual with the actual power to change things is not into bettering the world)
Perhaps I'm a pessimistic voice. Perhaps I'm justifying things, etc.
Also, remember what Jiraiya said: the Will of Fire means Leaf ninja only kill to protect. Does Hazō believe that these deaths can protect anyone? If not, whose deaths could protect them? If we're forced to kill, we could still choose to accompany Hidan to kill someone we want to do away with. Or, as suggested, play the "quota" card - it's disturbingly close to eugenics, but if we "prune" only those who don't add to the production value of the town, we won't be harming Uplift as much. Hell, could we look for yakuza to take out? I dislike moral value relativism as much as the next person, but Haru didn't get in much trouble and a blow to their power is always nice. Could even be an in to get back in the local ones' good graces, if we pretend it's not us, but we heard about it, can we do anything to help,
I notice that the quest evolved from "this is a deathworld where murder is common and always on the table and even if it sucks we gotta suck it up" to "how do we prevent murder as much as we can?" and while it's commendable I believe that from the point we established that we were going to save the world and there are none outside of us who are both able to do it and willing to do it (the Thinker clans are willing but not able, all nerfed that they are, and every single individual with the actual power to change things is not into bettering the world)
Perhaps I'm a pessimistic voice. Perhaps I'm justifying things, etc.
Also, remember what Jiraiya said: the Will of Fire means Leaf ninja only kill to protect. Does Hazō believe that these deaths can protect anyone? If not, whose deaths could protect them? If we're forced to kill, we could still choose to accompany Hidan to kill someone we want to do away with. Or, as suggested, play the "quota" card - it's disturbingly close to eugenics, but if we "prune" only those who don't add to the production value of the town, we won't be harming Uplift as much. Hell, could we look for yakuza to take out? I dislike moral value relativism as much as the next person, but Haru didn't get in much trouble and a blow to their power is always nice. Could even be an in to get back in the local ones' good graces, if we pretend it's not us, but we heard about it, can we do anything to help,
Hazo killing people wouldn't be good for his reptuation. The fallout would be tremendous, especially the damage to Goketsu's reputation.
Oh no. Anyway.
Sometimes there are no better choices. This plan has the best chance of working amongst those that aim to prevent the genocide, and further genocides by Hidan too. Even if it goes haywire and we have to do the killing, no one will blame us, and we can always approach it with a triage mentality and try and convince Hidan that only killing the old is better than killing everyone, anyway. Killing the seeds means no trees will grow, and the old and decrepti are the ones with more suffering in them, relatively speaking, compared to the young, anyway.
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In my opinion, it would fall under "Goketsu Clan Secrets," which she succeeded her Resolve Check against. But if not EM, then maybe the other jutsu that she knew (including Basan's Glide and the rest).