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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Paperclipped said:
Would rather not say it as-is -- I think it feels far too power-grabby. There's probably a phrasing of this that works for me, but I'm too tired to figure it out.
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Would you be willing to just include that they allow for the possibility of conducting raids deep in enemy territory? That way can plant the seeds of going after the scroll later
 
Shrooms said:
The purpose of the plan is not to go on a date with Snowflake, it is to bring to Hazou's awareness that Snowflake is interested at all. Then, knowing this, he can discuss with his partners the most respectful course of action that leaves everyone happy, up to and including possibly not dating her but not being an oblivious dumbass about it too
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I appreciate and am amused by the block capitals part of the plan, but when you write something so open to interpretation, a note to the QMs about what you are trying to accomplish would not go amiss.
 
Shrooms said:
You can suggest it tomorrow, no rush!
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  • If all goes well, update Asuma on current Skyslider capabilities.
    • The first successful Skyslider, model name "Michiki", has been made.
    • Should the team produce more of this model, or should they focus on refining it first?
    • Emphasize the contributions of the civilian team
    • Point out that Michiki is frequently awestruck by his measly clan head thanking him. This moment has great prank potential, if Asuma's interested.
Brain is still mostly cheese but this should do the trick and minimizes the small chance that Asuma might get annoyed at us for asking.

Honestly, it's a real shame to offscreen this. Though I suppose EJ could work it in to his chapter if he wanted to, since it seems like it's both incredibly short and the kind of trolling EJ likes writing.

(Also, @Paperclipped could you fit this in to your plan?)
EDIT: Huh, it's already there. Though the prank aspect to it seems to have been left on the cutting room floor. Any chance you could swap to this wording (or something similar)?
 
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_The_Bomb said:
(Also, @Paperclipped could you fit this in to your plan?)
EDIT: Huh, it's already there. Though the prank aspect to it seems to have been left on the cutting room floor. Any chance you could swap to this wording (or something similar)?
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The core "Asuma visits Michiki" idea is there -- I figure if the QMs want to play it up for comedy, they'll do it on their own? It seems.... very immature for Hazou to be the one to suggest it. There's a difference between asking your dictator to thank someone who is helping win a war, and asking your dictator to play a prank in the middle of that war.
 
Velorien said:
The Gōketsu are spending an implausible amount of chakra on SC training etc.
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1) How much draining would be an implausible amount? We can guess at numbers but we don't know within the context what would be OPSEC breaking.

2) This is one the Hivemind can potentially answer: How many clones are we talking about here at a time? I thought we were at around 4 clones each for Kei and Akane?

Starting with Kei:
Has 270 CP
SC Startup: 150 + (N * 25) CP for N clones

270 - 150 = 120. 120/N = 4 clones + R (remainder chakra) greater than 5 (so that Kei doesn't immediately die). R = 20 CP, 4 per clone and original.

If Kei then has her full chakra replenished then Kei can work on chakra intensive training, e.g. jutsu or chakra boosting, while the nearly chakra exhausted clones can work on training which isn't chakra intensive, e.g. alertness, athletics, ranged weapons, deceit, etc.

Akane is very similar:
Has 300 CP, so 150/N = error, 6 clones would kill her. N = 5 means R = 25, which means still means 4 CP for clones and original.

Noburi had 1250 CP(!). So completely replenishing Kei and Akane originals would be 562 CP, leaving 688. If Kei and Akane make a full second batch of clones, for a total of 8 and 10, respectively (which I think puts them at risk of clone sickness?) then Noburi would still have have 116 CP.

So then another question:

3) How much CP would Noburi feel like he needs during the day to (a) still do his own training, (b) not be in danger, (c) not be obvious he's low on chakra, and (d) maintain OPSEC?

Those questions in (3) are very relevant because he wouldn't need to fully replenish during the day, walking around at half capacity might be completely reasonable.

If the clones are doing a mix of chakra intensive training and not then the chakra needs to keep OPSEC should be much easier to achieve.
 
I completely forgot about SC 40 and the 3 Training block it gives. Then the Chakra Cost goes way down. It should be....5 Clones for Kei and 4 for Akane?

Kei should be capable of overcharging up to 5%, meaning no consequences and 283 CPs, so she can summon 5 Clones without the added cast, if we really need to save Chakra. But as it is now the Chakra Cost would be.... Kei(150+125) + Akane (150+100) = 525 CP or 675 CP, right?
On that you need to add the Chakra needed for training, but we don't know much that is.
 
Ipsos Custodes said:
You reversed them, but same total. I hadn't considered overcharging.
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Am i missing something? What did i reverse?

5 Clones for Kei means 150(Start-Up Cost) + 25(25) + 25(50) + 25 (75) + 25(100) + 25(125) = 150 + 125
4 Clones for Akane means 150(Start-Up Cost) + 25(25) + 25(50) + 25(75) + 25(100) = 150 + 100
Kei should have 14 Training Block, with 3 Blocks for Clone mean 5 Clones
Akane should have 10 Training Blocks, with 3 Blocks for Clone means 4 Clones
150+125 +150 +100 = 525
 
Lord Marshal said:
Am i missing something? What did i reverse?

5 Clones for Kei means 150(Start-Up Cost) + 25(25) + 25(50) + 25 (75) + 25(100) + 25(125) = 150 + 125
4 Clones for Akane means 150(Start-Up Cost) + 25(25) + 25(50) + 25(75) + 25(100) = 150 + 100
Kei should have 14 Training Block, with 3 Blocks for Clone mean 5 Clones
Akane should have 10 Training Blocks, with 3 Blocks for Clone means 4 Clones
150+125 +150 +100 = 525
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Not counting overcharging, Kei can have 4 and Akane can have 5, you reversed those. With overcharging, Kei can have 5 and Akane could actually have 6.

Edit: or am I misunderstanding? Are you saying how many clones they can create safely to avoid clone sickness?
 
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Ipsos Custodes said:
Not counting overcharging, Kei can have 4 and Akane can have 5, you reversed those. With overcharging, Kei can have 5 and Akane could actually have 6.

Edit: or am I misunderstanding? Are you saying how many clones they can create safely to avoid clone sickness?
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Akane cannot use 6 Clones, six clones are 18 Training Blocks, she's stopped at 10 Training Blocks by her resolve. Kei resolve is 47, Akane's is 39. Kei is the one that can have more clones.

EDIT: I mean, technically she could, but it wouldn't give any tangible benefit aside from consuming Chakra.
 
Ipsos Custodes said:
1) How much draining would be an implausible amount? We can guess at numbers but we don't know within the context what would be OPSEC breaking.
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HDK. The Leaf populace has no objective standard for how much it is plausible for a Wakahisa to drain a day. The more chakra you drain, the more people notice and the more they wonder what you're using it all for. That's all.
 
Well, we probably ought to make SC 40 Hazou's next purchase then. 43 XP away, so it kinda lines up with him recovering from injury
 
It occurs to me that the biggest thing we can do to help the war effort is to increase production of skywalkers. They're no longer too high opsec to use since Cloud is using them, and they'll give us a massive advantage over Rock. The more of them we have, the more we can use them to push Rock out of Fire or take the fight to their lands.

So here's some ideas to throw at the wall and see what sticks:
  • Once our consequence heals, scribe skywalkers instead of explosives while teaching Kagome. Fairly obvious, but only increases our output by one sealmaster's worth.
  • Get some of Kagome's students or Harumitsu to the point where they can scribe skywalkers. Not likely to work in the timeframe of the war, as even Kagome's students only recently learned explosives.
  • Do a mission to Sand and teach their sealmasters the seal (after learning it ourselves). They're still too high opsec to directly teach to another village, so this will probably get turned down.
  • Get the Kurosawa to help out. Probably the same problem as with Sand.
  • Any other ideas people have?


Also, against Cloud our forces should use tunneling whenever possible to negate Cloud's advantage in the air. If we can turn those fights into underground battles, especially when our ninja are on the back foot and being pressed, we can sucker them into underground traps and ambushes or at least force them to stop pursuit. If Rock tries this we should either not pursue or focus on using large amounts of explosives to shake the ground and collapse their tunnels/cause earthquakes, flood them with water techniques, or use tunneling summons (when available) to fight them underground.
  • Since these options probably won't be available very often for field ninja, the best thing to do is not pursue enemies underground and instead retreat or wait out their chakra from a tree or skywalkers.
  • This gives the tunneling/skywalking ninja leeway to accomplish objectives that don't involve killing ninja, such as killing civilians or destroying infrastructure. Which means that whoever is on the offense has a very big advantage in a skywalkers/tunneling mismatch.
  • This means that @Oneiros is right that we need to be on the offense more. The offense can more often set traps and accomplish secondary objectives, even when they are outmatched in firepower (as long as they have a different type of mobility than the enemy).
  • So against Rock, we need to send teams equipped with skywalkers to attack objectives (aka burn down towns and destroy farms/infrastructure), while against Cloud we need to send teams that can tunnel to do the same.
  • It also occurs to me that a single Youthenizer from an underground/skywalking ninja can set a town or farm ablaze with little that opposing ninja can do to prevent or mitigate it. We should make more Youthenizers and sell them to the Tower along with the skywalkers.
 
MrRobot said:
Why the fish we got isnt enough?
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We have 12 right now, we are permitted to breed them to 40 fish. We don't know exactly how much Chakra they provide, but we know the more koi are in the school, the more each individual has. If you drain them 6 months before breeding season (May-July) they don't breed. One option we have is to only drain some of the koi, but to keep track of which have been drained and which haven't, we would likely have to separate them, and in that case they would all have less than they would as one group. Another option we have is to drain all of them now, then pump CR so we're not dependent on them and have them breed next year instead.
 
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Shrooms said:
We have 12 right now, we are permitted to breed them to 40 fish. We don't know exactly how much Chakra they provide, but we know the more koi are in the school, the more each individual has. If you drain them 6 months before breeding season (May-July) they don't breed. One option we have is to only drain some of the koi, but to keep track of which have been drained and which haven't, we would likely have to separate them, and in that case they would all have less than they would as one group. Another option we have is to drain all of them now, then pump CR so we're not dependent on them and have them breed next year instead.
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eaglejarl said:
A school of koi is defined as 1 or more koi each of which is within about 10m of the school's centroid. Each koi in a school…
  • ...has a max of N CP, where N is the number of koi in the school
  • ...requires about M kg of food per day, where M is the maximum number of CP that koi had that day. This is intended only as a guideline; the QMs aren't going to track it precisely.
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It should be 12 Koi with 12 CPs, if i understood the post well.
 
Paperclipped said:
The core "Asuma visits Michiki" idea is there -- I figure if the QMs want to play it up for comedy, they'll do it on their own? It seems.... very immature for Hazou to be the one to suggest it. There's a difference between asking your dictator to thank someone who is helping win a war, and asking your dictator to play a prank in the middle of that war.
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The prank aspect was the entire point though.
_The_Bomb said:

@Paperclipped anyway to add this bit of harmless fun?
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Concern:
OPSEC about chakra siphoning by Noburi giving away FOOM/that something is weird.

Premises:
1) Noburi has 1250 CP.
2) Akane and Kei should only use 525 CP in total to make their clones.
3) If they aren't doing any chakra intensive training then they don't need any refills.
3a) No chakra need be purchased that day.
4) If they are both doing some chakra intensive training with one iteration (shadow or flesh), and the other iterations are doing non-chakra intensive training, then they would need one refill.
4a) That refill would bring Noburi down to 725 CP.
4b) No chakra need be purchased that day.
5) If they are both doing some chakra intensive training with two iterations (shadow or flesh), and the other iterations are doing non-chakra intensive training, then they would need two refills.
5a) Those refills would bring Noburi down to 200 CP
5b) No chakra need be purchased that day - unless Noburi is intending to train something very chakra intensive.
6) Five (in total) or more iterations are doing chakra intensive training.
6a) Noburi would need additional chakra to aid in that training.
7) A maximum of 11 iterations might exist, for a total maximum CP refill of 2375.
7a) That would mean Noburi would need to transfer an additional 1125 CP beyond his current capacity, a little less than one additional Noburi-worth of chakra.

Assumptions:
Kei and Akane need full chakra to train their chakra intensive abilities. If that is not true (and it's probably not since they probably don't ordinarily work themselves chakra-dry daily) then the requirements as outlined above are even smaller per iteration doing chakra intensive training.

Conclusion:
This isn't a concern with just Kei and Akane currently doing FOOM. The most extreme version, assuming every iteration needs to be completely refilled, just has Noburi chakra exhausted and needing to replenish and that is explained away by implying/stating Noburi is training a high CP technique, like the water dragon bullet, Hozuki's mantel, or other. It is already known he is doing this for Jonin to assist their training, so why wouldn't he do it for himself too? It can also just be avoided entirely by simply not doing exclusively chakra intensive training with all iterations, and certainly doesn't need to happen daily. All their recent training hasn't been chakra intensive.

Can anyone identify a fault with the premises that I've overlooked/misunderstood?
 
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