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While in most cases it is thought to be the Cyclopses who crafted them, Hephaestus was occasionally credited
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
There is nothing more important than telling a bully to go fuck himself.
I'll have to check on it. Pre-literate mythology is a bit of a scramble.
The point is: people who know how to build weapons tend to have weapons to use.
I guess this is sort of true, but it's not like pre-modern bladesmiths were widely feared for their prowess in battle. It depends if making weapons and using them are related skills. In MfD that's kinda true, certainly more true than actual makers of weapons IRL.
You say about they guy who turned the great fireball technique into a seal and used the threat of it to get one of the most powerful criminals against humanity to repatriate himself after displaying it in front of the assembled world and challenge the entire assembly of all five Kage...
I don't know what this is referring to.
The chunin tournament and Orochimaru.
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The generous interpretation of this is that you believe that folks need reminding that you were (from your perspective, at least) the author of the Youthenizer or a similar seal because it is relevant information to the situation at hand.
(if you fixate on the parenthetical so help me I am blocking you.)
You're going to need to lay out more clearly why this information is relevant to the situation at hand. It's not obvious to me, at least.
If you can't or aren't willing to do that, it is just going to annoy people because it scans as self-aggrandizing. And then people are going to engage with you less because it will further their perception that you are not worth engaging with.
Not related IMO
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I do not know what this word means in this context—presumably some textile or product made from silk, like how "furs" are made from "fur"—but I think it might be worthwhile to see if we could arrange for some of our new spider silk to make its way into Enma's wife's hands.
Screw it. Ask @faflec to dig out who first calculated the total energy contained in the combustible material in a misterator. I'm too tired to continue. The blunt point is: don't provoke people with a habit of inventing WMDs.
Dude literally returned to Leaf right after his acolyte simultaneousy told him that he had a safe pardon and his life's work was about to be burned to cinders. Gee... coincidence?
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The original post doesn't even contain the words "combustible", "material", or "misterator". How? Why? How?
I don't know. God knows I've tried to figure it out. If I could bottle it I'd be a trillionaire!
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Skyfloaters
A hot-air balloon effortpost. Everyone else forgot about hot-air balloons so I said fine, I'll do it myself.In Chapter 481, Hazou learns that air spirits like warm air and are willing to bear greater burdens if the air spirits can keep warm. With a proper chain of inferences and connections, I think we could turn that into a hot-air balloon. A Skyfloater, since I couldn't think of anything better.
In Chapter 314, Hazou conceived of Skysliders after following the plan snippet below.
I think it is plausible that with a similar combination of questions, inferences, and connections, Hazou could conceive of the concepts behind a hot air balloon.
To help convince you, I'll try to model how Hazou might think things through in order to arrive at the idea. I can't do Hazou's voice very well, but I'll try.
Hazou thinks back to the Mark Eighty-Nine, how it could only stay aloft above the great bonfires across the meadow. How can he allow the Skyslider to travel farther? Build more bonfires? That wouldn't work, he'd have to set the entirety of Leaf on fire and that would be treason.
Huh. Maybe he could bring the fire with the Skyslider? That way the air spirits always stay happy. They might even be happier with a fire so much closer and warmer.
Hmm. Hazou pictures a burning brazier hanging beneath the wings of the Mk89b. No, that wouldn't work either. As the Skyslider flew forward it would leave the warm air behind. So how could he protect the warm air from being blown away by the wind?
Maybe... he could trap the warm air spirits within an upturned sack, with the fire hanging below to keep the air warm. This way the wind wouldn't blow away the warm air, and the happy air spirits would stay in place with the Skyslider. Hmm, he could test that pretty easily with some folded sheets of paper and a bit of glue -- the research team had mentioned that paper was too fragile, but it'd do for a test. Lastly, he'd use string to hang a small candle under the paper sack and see what happens.
Huh, the paper sack rose into the air on its own. He could work with this. But what should he call it? It floats into the sky so... a Skyfloater.
- Does warm air make air spirits lift things? Test by folding a paper Skyslider and sending it sailing over a fire.
- Result is the paper Skyslider sailing up.
- Does more warmth make air spirits lift things harder? Test by throwing a paper Skyslider lower and closer to the fire.
- Result is the paper Skyslider sailing higher up. Okay, bring the fire to the Skyslider.
- Suspend a fire under a Skyslider?
- Wouldn't work, the wind would blow the warm air away.
- Catch the warm air in a container?
- Test by building a paper cube out of five square sheets of paper and setting the open side over a small fire. Result is the paper cube lifting up and flying away from the fire before tipping over.
- Attach the fire to the container? Test by hanging a candle under the paper cube. Result is the paper cube lifting into the air.
Now, I know that attaching a balloon to the top of a Skyslider wouldn't work because the air resistance would tip the balloon over. And yes, the paper of the first paper lantern test would probably be too flimsy to support the weight of a candle without a bit of wire or sticks to keep it steady. Still, once Hazou lands on the concept of lifting objects via trapped hot air, he can apply that to other things besides Skysliders.
@Velorien, @eaglejarl, does this method of discovering the principles of a hot-air balloon sound plausible?
I can further justify the concept by adding that Sky Lanterns have been around for almost 2000 years. They were first invented in ancient China in the 3rd century for signaling during war, and for festivals -- the Lantern Festival is a whole thing. The first manned hot-air balloon was invented in 1783, but plausibly could have been built with much older technology.
In 2003, Julian Nott wanted to test if the Nazca people thousands of years ago could have used hot-air balloons to create the Nazca Lines, and did so by building his own hot-air balloon using only the technology available at the time. It worked great. Using only cotton, reeds and twine, and burning logs he was able to successfully take off and land safely. With Leaf's current technology, there is no reason we couldn't do the same.
If this works, we might want to make a second research team dedicated to Skyfloaters. And with a need for a second team, we could formally ask Asuma for tower funding, since that's twice now that civilians are developing war-changing technology.
I'm quite excited for what we can use Skyfloaters for. There's signaling, reconnaissance, aerial bombardment, mapmaking, the list goes on.
We can use Skyfloaters to easily ascend to great heights before using Skywalkers and Skytowers to build a sturdy and safe aerial FOB. From there, Skygliders could be unsealed and reassembled for use to travel long distances while conserving stamina.
We can also use Skyfloaters to create Hidden Heaven, since we'd have a Skywalker-free and sustainable method of getting up to our sky haven of Skytowers. We'd have a safe, unassailable location to FOOM. We just need to develop parachutes first. And the tech tree doesn't end there -- the concept of trapped air can eventually lead to airships and dirigibles.
Note: I don't know if Hazou has ever folded a paper airplane before, but they are stupidly simple to make, just fold a paper in three places and throw. Shouldn't be hard to think of on the spot given we have developed manned gliders already.
I'm quite excited for what we can use Skyfloaters for. There's signaling, reconnaissance, aerial bombardment, mapmaking, the list goes on.
We can use Skyfloaters to easily ascend to great heights before using Skywalkers and Skytowers to build a sturdy and safe aerial FOB. From there, Skygliders could be unsealed and reassembled for use to travel long distances while conserving stamina.
We can also use Skyfloaters to create Hidden Heaven, since we'd have a Skywalker-free and sustainable method of getting up to our sky haven of Skytowers. We'd have a safe, unassailable location to FOOM. We just need to develop parachutes first. And the tech tree doesn't end there -- the concept of trapped air can eventually lead to airships and dirigibles.
Throw some papers around and ponder flight once more.
- Fire creates warm air that raises things. Could warm air be trapped in place to raise things better?
- Could the trapped air raise a small fire to keep the air warm?
- Test by folding paper into container shapes and holding them over fires.
- Test hanging candles beneath paper containers. Call them Skyfloaters.
- If tests are successful, bring findings to the Skyslider research team.
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See, this is actually the best part. People have previously downplayed Hazō's contribution to skywalkers since he was only the idea guy and didn't actually do most of the sealing for it. But with skysliders and skyfloaters, they'll have to either give Hazō credit or accept that there are civilians who are better than ninja (in at least one area). It's a win-win!
"the chunin tournament" is completely unrelated to Kabuto telling Oro we were going to destroy the Basement. Except in the sense that many things happened around then. Oro returned the day after he was pardoned in Leaf. That was probably related. I stand by my original assertation that the youthanizer and Orochimaru returning are completely unrelated.
If we had intended to destroy the Basement, we could have figured something out other than youthanizers. They weren't necessary.
This calculation is wrong.
Storage limits of macerators are 100 kg or 1 m^3 of storage, whichever is less.
If you take that into account, the theoretical energy released is 3280 MJ, 820 kg of TNT-equivalent
There's also efficiency losses from uncombusted charcoal, we'd be very lucky to get 90% in field conditions. So let's be very generous and call it 750 kg-equivalent of TNT, about 4% of your estimate. The burning (deflagration) reaction is vastly slower than a true high explosive so it won't be nearly as destructive to buildings and such as TNT.
It's not bad though.
This isn't new. Hazo had the idea for 'skywagon' a little while ago, but the benefits seem a bit dubious? Although it does mean people can travel in a more leisurely manner. without needing skywalkers or skysliders at all. It seems that it would be useful for civilian travel, although that doesn't take into sky squids and other chakra beasts.
Anyway, we don't have the resources or expertise to devote effort to it. The skyslider team just got finished with a model and now they may be asked to produce skysliders.
Mari was entirely skeptical about this idea but this is the same Mari also believed Hazo will take over the world.
The whole idea of civilians doing basic science or engineering research with no idea if they will find or accomplish anything useful needs a little refinement though.
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Yeah, they'll probably need that bonus we're giving them. I'm guessing that Mari isn't paying them anywhere near as much as they probably deserve, considering what they're contributing to Leaf. She thought they'd just be flying kites the whole time.