Do we want to incentivize Iwa doing the same to our capitol and kill Jashin-knows how many civilians?
They already Collapse'd our asses, they are clearly incentivized to doing stuff like this already. Still, ideally we would do something they can't replicate easily, yeah. I wonder if Canun has any Metal Jutsu that could summon tungsten rods......
 
(minor spoilers for the linked fic, below)

Finished reading through it - wow, that was pretty good. And ambiguous; i'm still not sure if the Fox was honest or manipulative, or both.

I was also a interestingly enlightening moment near the end, when Naruto's transformation is detailed, my first response is "Sign me the fuck up" and every other character except Oro responds "WHAT THE FUCK!?".
 
(minor spoilers for the linked fic, below)

Finished reading through it - wow, that was pretty good. And ambiguous; i'm still not sure if the Fox was honest or manipulative, or both.

I was also a interestingly enlightening moment near the end, when Naruto's transformation is detailed, my first response is "Sign me the fuck up" and every other character except Oro responds "WHAT THE FUCK!?".
I liked it too. Naruto was just smart enough and the beast was just likeable enough that the ending HURT a bit. Good job
 
@Shrooms
[X] Let's Win This Shit
Word Count: 299
  1. Dispel
  2. Get Hazō to the Tower ASAP. Gaku:
    1. All Gōketsu ninja standby.
    2. Guard the Wakahisa Fishkeeper.
    3. Gather all (implosion seals, goo bombs, skywalkers, chakdar) on short notice for Asuma.
  3. Meeting: keep quiet unless adding military value.
    1. Summoning
      1. Returning from 7th Path allows instant undetectable ambushes.
      2. New summoners are targets without immense tactical value. Strategically:
        1. 7th Path Envoys allow instant communication, minimizing OODA loop.
        2. Tower can fund emergency contracts?
        3. Use weakness: Summoners as bait?
    2. Gōketsu
      1. (Only if prompted) Mari is an excellent support ninja. She knows where she's most effective.
        1. (Internally: TLitF lockdown + Shadow Clone = crowd destroyer)
      2. Noburi can refill Summoners with envoys in Toad.
        1. Could heal in the hospital and use patients' chakra to recharge Summoners.
        2. Could drain captured Rock ninja, but needs dedicated guards.
          1. Purchase a Jōnin Summon?
          2. Alternatively, could stay in 7th Path until Asuma needs refills.
            1. Or scheduled refills.
      3. Hazō's best as logistics, unless he could be healed quicker...?
      4. Kagome's a cryptography expert.
      5. Injured ninja can be messengers/scouts.
      6. Otherwise, Gōketsu could be frontliners.
    3. General
      1. Does Rock have skywalkers? Allies?
        1. Why are they bold and not covert? Something's weird here.
      2. (Privately to Asuma) Gōketsu specials:
        1. Coordinated bombardment with skytowers?
          1. Thousands (or 100x with Noburi) of pounds of stone.
          2. Timed explosives + any storage seal payload (molten lead + water?)
        2. Chakdar to watch our air and ground?
          1. 5SB nets protect from kinetic bombardment, not firebombing.
        3. Dam rivers with MEW to direct water away from Rock. Hazō doesn't like this idea:
          1. Will hurt civilians more than ninja.
          2. But could pull ninja away from front lines to fix it: then civilians are fine but Rock manpower decreases.
  4. Kei
    1. On 7P: discuss arranging for Naruto to learn Ghost Scales.
      1. Only if Kei approves and he swears secrecy.
      2. Could ask Tower for resources to pay Pangolins.
      3. He learns fast. Dramatically improves clone survivability?
 
@Shrooms
[X] Let's Win This Shit
Word Count: 299
  1. Dispel
  2. Get Hazō to the Tower ASAP. Gaku:
    1. All Gōketsu ninja standby.
    2. Guard the Wakahisa Fishkeeper.
    3. Gather all (implosion seals, goo bombs, skywalkers, chakdar) on short notice for Asuma.
  3. Meeting: keep quiet unless adding military value.
    1. Summoning
      1. Returning from 7th Path allows instant undetectable ambushes.
      2. New summoners are targets without immense tactical value. Strategically:
        1. 7th Path Envoys allow instant communication, minimizing OODA loop.
        2. Tower can fund emergency contracts?
        3. Use weakness: Summoners as bait?
    2. Gōketsu
      1. (Only if prompted) Mari is an excellent support ninja. She knows where she's most effective.
        1. (Internally: TLitF lockdown + Shadow Clone = crowd destroyer)
      2. Noburi can refill Summoners with envoys in Toad.
        1. Could heal in the hospital and use patients' chakra to recharge Summoners.
        2. Could drain captured Rock ninja, but needs dedicated guards.
          1. Purchase a Jōnin Summon?
          2. Alternatively, could stay in 7th Path until Asuma needs refills.
            1. Or scheduled refills.
      3. Hazō's best as logistics, unless he could be healed quicker...?
      4. Kagome's a cryptography expert.
      5. Injured ninja can be messengers/scouts.
      6. Otherwise, Gōketsu could be frontliners.
    3. General
      1. Does Rock have skywalkers? Allies?
        1. Why are they bold and not covert? Something's weird here.
      2. (Privately to Asuma) Gōketsu specials:
        1. Coordinated bombardment with skytowers?
          1. Thousands (or 100x with Noburi) of pounds of stone.
          2. Timed explosives + any storage seal payload (molten lead + water?)
        2. Chakdar to watch our air and ground?
          1. 5SB nets protect from kinetic bombardment, not firebombing.
        3. Dam rivers with MEW to direct water away from Rock. Hazō doesn't like this idea:
          1. Will hurt civilians more than ninja.
          2. But could pull ninja away from front lines to fix it: then civilians are fine but Rock manpower decreases.
  4. Kei
    1. On 7P: discuss arranging for Naruto to learn Ghost Scales.
      1. Only if Kei approves and he swears secrecy.
      2. Could ask Tower for resources to pay Pangolins.
      3. He learns fast. Dramatically improves clone survivability?
Looks good. I know it's word count capped already, but it's a shame we can't fit in the idea about flooding Hidden Rock itself with heavy gases that are toxic/explosive. We may need a more workable version first anyways (like idek what gas to use for this) before we suggest it tho so maybe it's ok to leave it out
 
Looks good. I know it's word count capped already, but it's a shame we can't fit in the idea about flooding Hidden Rock itself with heavy gases that are toxic/explosive. We may need a more workable version first anyways (like idek what gas to use for this) before we suggest it tho so maybe it's ok to leave it out
More words for the word gods.
 
"Alternatively, could stay in 7th Path until Asuma needs refills."
I actually meant for this to be Noburi on the "front lines" staying reverse summoned until the coast is clear, where Asuma can retrieve him to refill all the ninja around, before reverse summoning again, so I might change this line up
 
"Alternatively, could stay in 7th Path until Asuma needs refills."
I actually meant for this to be Noburi on the "front lines" staying reverse summoned until the coast is clear, where Asuma can retrieve him to refill all the ninja around, before reverse summoning again, so I might change this line up
Ah. What if Leaf loses ground (as it is currently)?
 
Ah. What if Leaf loses ground (as it is currently)?
then Noburi is screwed!
Suggestion: Don't lose ground :V


(I was actually more imagining that he is simply close to the battlefront, not at it. Though that still doesn't necessarily solve the problem if Leaf loses a lot of ground, it might be enough time for him to flee with the others. Unless all the Summoners die in the attack or something)
 
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[X] (FOOM OPSEC) Layers Upon Layers
Word Count: 261

Optimize with Akane, Kei, Mari, Noburi:
  • Core idea: Underground, top secret training facility with multiple layers of information security. If we lose on any (e.g. the existence gets out), we can still defend the secret with other layers. Adjust all the recommendations below based on what makes sense for the core idea of multiple redundant defenses.
  • What is Leaf's post-Collapse underground security?
    • Hazou and Kei are well-suited to find out.
    • War-time especially could let us know general information.
  • How do other clans keep their training secret?
    • Kei: no need to disclose Nara methods.
  • Minimize size as needed.
First layer of defense: Secrecy.
  • Center of compound where movements are unknown.
  • Deeper than Hyuuga max vision + margin.
    • Chakra levels identical going in and out.
    • Mass SCs only within facility.
  • Never spoken about, act as if it doesn't exist.
  • OPSEC fail on other things occasionally.
Second layer of defense: Various ploys. Ideas:
  • Underground Uplift research.
    • Daybright seals, jutsu-fertilized farming attempts.
  • Seal testing.
    • Test macerator payloads.
    • Test chakdar.
  • Sex dungeon.
Third layer of defense: A real "WHAM" secret.
  • Necromancy research.
    • Collate notes on afterlife.
    • Forbidden Lore.
    • Rift notes and plans
    • Resurrection lists.
Fourth layer of defense: Security.
  • Anti Byakugan seals
  • Steel-lined walls (anti-tunneling/Earth-ninjutsu)
  • Silence mines
  • Train on 5SBs to remove vibration.
  • If the first layer (secrecy) is compromised, ask Kagome for a full security loadout.
    • Consideration: SCs can dispel rapidly with no harm to caster.
Considerations:
  • Periodically train on the Seventh Path/outside Leaf/on Skytowers to break patterns.
  • Time SC release to be in private.
PSA: Dramatically restructed FOOM OPSEC plan. A couple days of thinking have made it clearer to me how to think about the problem: What ways can we win and what ways can we lose? This structure is meant to highlight the titular "Layers" of the plan -- namely, four different fronts where if we successfully "defend", FOOM doesn't get out. No content has disappeared as a result of this restructure -- on the contrary, I went through @_The_Bomb's plan and stole content (thanks!) where I thought it was complementary.

As a side note, this is the only plan that currently attempts to keep the existence of the facility fully a secret.
 
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Purchase a Jōnin Summon?
Maybe: "Contract a Jonin Toad?".
Kagome's a cryptography expert.
Probably should emphasize that he's a sealmaster.
Dam rivers with MEW to direct water away from Rock. Hazō doesn't like this idea:
  1. Will hurt civilians more than ninja.
  2. But could pull ninja away from front lines to fix it: then civilians are fine but Rock manpower decreases.
Are there any rivers near Hidden Rock? From the looks of things the nearby rivers are quite a ways away, around 50 miles or so.
 
Maybe: "Contract a Jonin Toad?".
Good idea.
Probably should emphasize that he's a sealmaster.
Asuma would know that though right? Cryptography is something less immediately obvious I feel like, though I'm not actually sure how much of a useful skill it is in a ninja war considering how quick and bloody they are...
Are there any rivers near Hidden Rock? From the looks of things the nearby rivers are quite a ways away, around 50 miles or so.
"Rock" should likely be changed to "Earth" here, or perhaps "Earth settlements".
 
(This is my first ever plan. Yay!)
[X] FOOM OPSEC: There Is No Kill Like OVERKILL

Word Count: 295

As FOOM takes off, we must create a place for the Shadow Clones to train covertly, so people don't notice us making so many shadow clones.
  • Create entrance (and emergency exit) in secure areas of Gōketsu compound where clan members can be seen entering without suspicion
  • Tunnel deep underground. Twice as deep as suspected Byakugan range.
  • Set up secret sealing research facility per Kagome's specifications (use purifiers for air, dig using tunneling jutsu, etc.), have Kagome design and implement information security (have AB seals permanently active)
    • Primary purpose: cover for training facility
    • Secondary purpose: high-OPSEC/Byakugan-resistant area for meetings, storage of classified materials, seal-development, and Project Necromancy
  • Set up training facility (with hidden entrance) well below seal base
    • Specialized spaces for taijutsu, meditation, etc.
    • Design to FOOMers' specifications
    • Have emergency food/water etc.
  • Hazō implements and maintains Kagome security measures on lower section of base (but have Kagome make the seals)
  • Prioritize secrecy over size. Futureproof.
Standard Operating Procedure:
  • Any heavy SC training/refills must be done in underground facility
    • Give no reason to suspect mass SC training
    • Create mass SCs only inside facility, barring emergency
  • Treat Sealing Research Base as SECRET, but Training Facility as TOP SECRET
    • If you do not need to know about this, you do not know about this
  • Do not talk about either base unless under heavy OPSEC or in the facility itself
  • Mari, disguise base usage as something else. Have fun ;P
To Asuma
  • We are making a secret, underground seal research facility
  • We will be creating/selling/buying AB seals from Tower
  • This is a matter of clan secrets
Discuss with Mari and FOOM Clan Members before implementation.
I want to preemptively tell Asuma about the underground sealing facility for a few reasons.
  1. We're clearing the plan with Mari first, so it will only happen if Mari doesn't think it's a horrible idea.
  2. I have zero confidence in our ability to keep the Tower from learning about it in the mid to long term. Let's be real, the Tower is absolutely going to find out about this. I'd much rather let them know in advance than have them randomly discover another underground facility and freak out.
  3. Telling the cover story to the Tower does not endanger the secret to the rest of Leaf. Much like chakra detecting seals we gave the Tower earlier, we can 100% trust the Tower not to blab about our secrets that we shared for natsec. Not if we told them instead of them discovering them on their own, that is.
  4. The Tower is probably really touchy about underground bases post-Collapse. If we tell him in advance, we won't trigger any of the many underground defenses they have (almost definitely) set up post-Collapse. I can see this preventing a big scare sometime in the future.
  5. We don't have to worry about the Tower prying as long as we say it's for clan secrets. We keep the details extremely light and only say the few sentences written down.
  6. We need to stay in the good graces of the Tower and this is a good way to sucker up without actually giving away anything.
  7. It would be a really fun seen to write! (EJ says it's an 8/10, since he has to save room at the top for rez-ing Jman)
That said, I'm open to changing my mind if someone makes a good argument. I care about the general gist of my plan far more than I do this specific aspect, so I'm willing to compromise if a lot of people in the thread don't like this.
After speaking with a lot of you over Discord, I have decided to nix the "telling Asuma about the cover" idea. I was debating making it conditional on Mari's approval and changing the allibi to something more beliveable, but I ended up deciding to toss the whole thing. This way, I can add the extra wordcount to my "Standard Operating Procedure," which is my favorite part of the plan.

I am about to eat dinner so expect to see all of my changes within the next two hours or so.
on the contrary, I went through @_The_Bomb's plan and stole content (thanks!) where I thought it was complementary.
This is both highly frustrating and hilarious as hell. Bah!
 
[X] (FOOM OPSEC) Layers Upon Layers

It may be a good idea to have the same training routine on the surface. Right now, nobody suspects anything with Akane and Keiko.
 
(This is my first ever plan. Yay!)
[X] FOOM OPSEC: There Is No Kill Like OVERKILL

Word Count: 286

As FOOM takes off, we must create a place for the Shadow Clones to train covertly, so people don't notice us making so many shadow clones.
  • Create entrance (and emergency exit) in secure areas of Gōketsu compound where clan members can be seen entering without suspicion
  • Tunnel deep underground. Twice as deep as suspected Byakugan range.
  • Set up highest-OPSEC secret facility per Kagome's and Kei's specifications (use purifiers for air, dig using tunneling jutsu, etc.), have Kagome design and implement information security (have AB seals permanently active)
    • Primary purpose: cover for training facility
    • Secondary purpose: high-OPSEC/Byakugan-resistant area for meetings, storage of classified materials, seal-development (only what is safe to do underground), and Project Necromancy
  • Set up training facility (with hidden entrance) well below seal base
    • Specialized spaces for taijutsu, meditation, etc.
    • Design to FOOMers' specifications
    • Have emergency food/water etc.
  • Hazō implements and maintains Kagome security measures on lower section of base (but have Kagome make the seals)
  • Prioritize secrecy over size. Futureproof.
Standard Operating Procedure:
  • Use research base for regular clan meetings
  • Any heavy SC training or regular refilling must be done in underground facility
    • Give no reason to suspect mass SC training
    • Create mass SCs only inside facility, barring emergency
  • Treat Sealing Research Base as SECRET, but Training Facility as TOP SECRET
    • If you do not need to know about this, you do not know about this
  • Do not talk about either base unless under heavy OPSEC or in the facility itself
  • Mari, disguise base usage as something else. Have fun ;P
Offscreen:
  • Discreetly investigate Konoha's underground defenses/survelience.
Check/Optimize with Mari and FOOM Clan Members before implementation.

To Asuma
  • We are making a secret, underground seal research facility
  • We will be creating/selling/buying AB seals from Tower
  • This is a matter of clan secrets
I want to preemptively tell Asuma about the underground sealing facility for a few reasons.
  1. We're clearing the plan with Mari first, so it will only happen if Mari doesn't think it's a horrible idea.
  2. I have zero confidence in our ability to keep the Tower from learning about it in the mid to long term. Let's be real, the Tower is absolutely going to find out about this. I'd much rather let them know in advance than have them randomly discover another underground facility and freak out.
  3. Telling the cover story to the Tower does not endanger the secret to the rest of Leaf. Much like chakra detecting seals we gave the Tower earlier, we can 100% trust the Tower not to blab about our secrets that we shared for natsec. Not if we told them instead of them discovering them on their own, that is.
  4. The Tower is probably really touchy about underground bases post-Collapse. If we tell him in advance, we won't trigger any of the many underground defenses they have (almost definitely) set up post-Collapse. I can see this preventing a big scare sometime in the future.
  5. We don't have to worry about the Tower prying as long as we say it's for clan secrets. We keep the details extremely light and only say the few sentences written down.
  6. We need to stay in the good graces of the Tower and this is a good way to sucker up without actually giving away anything.
  7. It would be a really fun seen to write! (EJ says it's an 8/10, since he has to save room at the top for rez-ing Jman)
That said, I'm open to changing my mind if someone makes a good argument. I care about the general gist of my plan far more than I do this specific aspect, so I'm willing to compromise if a lot of people in the thread don't like this.
I have made my first round of modifications. More incoming. Feel free to suggest anything if you have any ideas. I have wordcount to spare.
 
It may be a good idea to have the same training routine on the surface. Right now, nobody suspects anything with Akane and Keiko.
I added that to my plan under "Standard Operating Procedure." Good catch!
(This is my first ever plan. Yay!)
[X] FOOM OPSEC: There Is No Kill Like OVERKILL

Standard Operating Procedure:
  • Take advantage of having high-OPSEC facility. Use for regular clan meetings.
  • Do non-SC training on surface.
  • Any heavy SC training or regular refilling must be done in underground facility
    • Give no reason to suspect mass SC training
    • Create mass SCs only inside facility, barring emergency
  • Treat Sealing Research Base as SECRET, but Training Facility as TOP SECRET
    • If you do not need to know about this, you do not know about this
  • Do not talk about either base unless under heavy OPSEC or in the facility itself
  • Mari, disguise base usage as something else. Have fun ;P
 
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