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Is that the case? The fact that J was able to promise Kagome fully Byakugan-proofed areas made me think otherwise. Also the underground room doesn't need to be big.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
It need to be big enough for like three dozen clones all at the same time, that's pretty big. Especially if they're doing taijutsu training or something
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This is why we should try to find out how other clans keep their training stuff secret.
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- Fair point, as long as we trust in Mari's judgement at the moment...
- Given that FOOM is on a short timer, even getting a year's worth of time out of the existence of the secret is a good trade.
- Not telling them also doesn't endanger giving out the secret to the rest of Leaf. It's unclear to me why this would be a positive at all? Also, it may not leak to other clans, but ANBU almost certainly does internal espionage (see the dossiers that Mari got on other Clan Heads way back when)
- We can probably ask -- especially now that there's a war going on. Hazou is a Clan Head and Kei is supremely well connected, there are many avenues we could learn about it.
- Seems like the same as 3. Also, if they can pry at no cost to themselves (i.e. some Earth Element sensory technique), why wouldn't they? We don't ever need to know.
- Why would this make them like us any more? Ordinarily I would say "Hey, we're keeping secrets from you," to be a negative, but in ninjaland where that's the expectation, I guess it's neutral. Except for maybe looking dumb for acknowledging the secret's existence? Same way that Kagome can't pass Deceit checks by just clamping down super hard.
- Fair. Though maybe it would be fun for foot-in-mouth reasons? This one is pretty ironclad.
Revealing it intentionally is taking a loss, where not doing so gives us another battlefield to try to win on while still being able to safely retreat to the "people know but we are keeping contents top secret" level of play.
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Yeah, echoing Paper's post here and my own musings on the OPSEC stuff but my main hangups with the currently leading FOOM OPSEC plan are:
1: Using "seal research" as our main cover story for the underground facility. Especially because this plan has us telling Asuma we are constructing a seal research facility underground. That is extremely suspect given that...you don't do that? It's just very blatantly a lie that we raise to Asuma's attention for no reason imo.
Velorien's very definitive and explicit and very citable and clear statement on the matter
You also don't need to construct a giant facility to make a storage room if that's how we try to justify it, IE storing notes. Especially since Sealmasters can....seal up their notes? I would presume most of them do that anyways to keep them organized. They'd have plenty of storage scrolls on hand.
2: Notifying Asuma that we have some kind of secret. Clans are not obligated to share that they have a clan secret. If Asuma asks, which he should be avoiding where possible due to clan privileges/precedent, then the excuses can come into play. It sets a very bad precedent for him to try and force us to reveal what we're doing on our estate. Also note that we are not in Leaf proper so these concerns that we're going to run into anti-Collapse measures are minimal, imo. But really, it shouldn't even get to the point of Asuma asking. If Mari catches wind of any kind of information leak, that's when she intentionally leaks one of our cover stories, as happens in @Paperclipped 's OPSEC plan
1: Using "seal research" as our main cover story for the underground facility. Especially because this plan has us telling Asuma we are constructing a seal research facility underground. That is extremely suspect given that...you don't do that? It's just very blatantly a lie that we raise to Asuma's attention for no reason imo.
Velorien's very definitive and explicit and very citable and clear statement on the matter
You also don't need to construct a giant facility to make a storage room if that's how we try to justify it, IE storing notes. Especially since Sealmasters can....seal up their notes? I would presume most of them do that anyways to keep them organized. They'd have plenty of storage scrolls on hand.
2: Notifying Asuma that we have some kind of secret. Clans are not obligated to share that they have a clan secret. If Asuma asks, which he should be avoiding where possible due to clan privileges/precedent, then the excuses can come into play. It sets a very bad precedent for him to try and force us to reveal what we're doing on our estate. Also note that we are not in Leaf proper so these concerns that we're going to run into anti-Collapse measures are minimal, imo. But really, it shouldn't even get to the point of Asuma asking. If Mari catches wind of any kind of information leak, that's when she intentionally leaks one of our cover stories, as happens in @Paperclipped 's OPSEC plan
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very strongly agree with this
[X] (FOOM OPSEC) Layers Upon Layers
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[X] (FOOM OPSEC) Layers Upon Layers
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The Shadow clones abilities are a secret, especially the memorie transfer:
Again, GS isn't a secret, we're juyt not allowed to share it outside of Goketsu without permission. And, who cares anyway? Naruto is already a high-priority target, Mist came with 3 S-rank ninja and a dozend jonin to abduct him.
Shadow clone users and some Leaf bloodlines are way bigger targets for abduction/termination than people with GS.
...Actually, Kei has probably a big target on her back. Mori bloodline, Nara secrets, Pangolin scroll and jutsu and the Shadow clone.
This depends on the Clan, the summoners negotiation skills and their CP reserves. Asuma probably expects us to have useful summonings already or to able to quickly make them right now. One of the conditions during the contest for getting the Dog scroll was being able to make contacts with useful summons:
Of course, Asuma isn't going to take the scroll away right now, but that's his expectations. Being able to communicate long distance is pretty useful, but for Noburi that means that he can use a Toad as guard. Him staying in Leaf means he can only supply chakra to the summoners, not other ninja.
And our strategy right now should definitly be "get as many Wakahisa/Minawa (the Hot spring guys) as quickly and soon as possible". Same with getting Isan equipped with Skywalkers and use them hopefully to suprise Rock.
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Also get the Kurosawa to print us Skywalkers and supply them via the summoning network. Superior Logistics and all that.
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In doubt there's always the Sun!
Ghost scales would be a huge mecanical power boost acording to the quest macanics special for naruto that have "YES" chakra, the problem is that MFD naruto is almost as edgy as canon sasuke and is less politicaly adept than hazo, and kinda still hate him. So is less about protect naruto but rather making him more efective, at the cost of making him more efective.
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Continue not to be a fan of Naruto Ghost Scales. Otherwise...
- Can we secure the Wakahisa fishkeeper on the estate? Both to ensure that they don't do anything treasonous and to ensure that they don't get lynched.
- Noburi's refilling capacity on the front lines is not amazing, since he'd have to drain from somewhere and every CP is valuable...
- The more useful variant of this is draining from captured ninja.
- Doubles as a highly effective knockout for transport back to Leaf.
- Can we not volunteer Mari? Asuma might order her to fight, but let's not be the one who un-retires her.
- Let's not give them all our seals. We can make this more explicit. Skywalkers, implosion seals, Kagome Goo Bombs, etc
- I assume most of the "why" stuff will be covered in the meeting, but can't hurt
- Should we propose tactical bombing of their capital?
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In doubt there's always the Sun!
Thats why i say modify the macerator to eject srapnell like a frag granade and fill it with molten slag. It will cut trough rock stinkers like the hivemind cut trough the geneva sugestion.
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I would like to note that "Sensible, smart and conservative" strategies will end in a lot of dead people. I'm talking about our people:Mari, Akane(If on the front line), ect. If we have any paradigm shift idea, it's now or never(Maybe not this update, but soonish), if we don't want another Jiraiya, a lot more than one Jiraiya. This is ninja war, and in ninja war, a lot of people die.
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I would wait for a bit before being happy. In a handful of update everyone we love could be dead if we're not capable of dealing with the situation. If we have any ace in the hole, the time to use it is now.
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This is a fork of @FaintlySorcerous (I hope you don't mind, i feel it's different enough that should probably be it's own plan) plan that is basically "Obtain information for future planmaking", without committing to a particular set of action, so that we can then establish a war plan next update with what we know.
[X] Action Plan: Every Extermination Starts with Information.
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[X] Action Plan: Every Extermination Starts with Information.
Wordcount:???
- Estate:
- Dispel.
- Get list of all seals (type, quantity) on hand.
- Follow Asuma's messenger immediately. Ideally, bring Mari.
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- Inform core Uplift.
- Tank up Haru. His punishment is suspended.
- Reach out to Tsunade's organization to support civilian aid efforts.
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- Do a lot of listening. Desired information:
- Why do we think Rock is attacking?
- What has allowed them to mount successful attacks?
- What are Leaf's short- and medium-term strategic goals? (Reclaiming villages, stopping assaults, etc.)
- Does Rock have skywalkers? Skytowers?
- Does Rock appear to have any allies?
- Mission status of Akane/Yuno - not looking to pull them back from the front lines, but knowing where they are would be good.
- Note: we aren't going to push for any of that information - Asuma presumably knows we want it and will dispense it as he feels appropriate.
- General attitude: compliance and openness.
- The Goketsu have low-cost Summons in each other's territory and can be used for instantaneous and secure communication. The Conclave may serve a similar purpose.
- Do a lot of listening. Desired information:
[X] Action Plan: Every Extermination Starts with Information.
[X] FOOM OPSEC: There Is No Kill Like OVERKILL
For the FOOM OPSEC plan I feel like we should default to not talking about Asuma unless asked/we're talking about something where its relevant. We're not expected to give information about clan secrets as long as those clan secrets aren't treasonous.
[X] FOOM OPSEC: There Is No Kill Like OVERKILL
For the FOOM OPSEC plan I feel like we should default to not talking about Asuma unless asked/we're talking about something where its relevant. We're not expected to give information about clan secrets as long as those clan secrets aren't treasonous.
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And if they are treasonous you shouldn't tell him about it anyways for obvious reasons
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I'm not a huge fan of Naruto Ghost Scales either but it could mean the difference between a Clone popping and not killing a Jonin vs. surviving a glancing blow and finishing a Jonin off. I think it's become worth it, knowing that this conflict could last weeks or even months. It's been pointed out that he likely already has an armor jutsu though so he may not need it, which is also fine.
I don't really have the word count. I could go over if everyone is okay with that, but I expect to get most of this information anyways like you said. Alternatively, we could ask the QMs afterward if we still have any unanswered questions, hopefully avoiding MEETING SYNDROME by using your suggestion and getting actionable info between chapters. Up to yall, lemme know your thoughts
I don't mind including this, but how would you word this? Just write a sentence and I can paste it in
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Do we want to incentivize Iwa doing the same to our capitol and kill Jashin-knows how many civilians?