Of course, we don't actually have to loot the strong teams. Just destroy their seals to lower the victory threshold. If we filled PMYF seals with water, and soaked through opponents who're strong enough that we're leery about fighting them, then we can still increase our comparitive position.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
- Location
- Potato land
[X] Action Plan: Hunt like Raptors
@Briefvoice Given the time constraints we're going to be operating under, do you think it's worthwhile to optimize the looting a bit? To remain flexible, let's say the melee fighter who takes an enemy ninja down, is also responsible for securing the body (asap, immediately if there's no pressing need for them to continue fighting), getting it to Noburi for draining, looting seals and the secret word, stashing the body in the tunnel, and finally reporting the number of gained seals to Keiko (so we can actually keep track of how many we have).
Also, since we're having Panashe spot, how about adding a simple protocol for reacting to her warnings? My first choice would be to have Keiko or Tenten ready to Goo Bomb the incoming hostiles, but we can also just make note of it and have whoever's the field commander order a team to intercept when it happens.
@Briefvoice Given the time constraints we're going to be operating under, do you think it's worthwhile to optimize the looting a bit? To remain flexible, let's say the melee fighter who takes an enemy ninja down, is also responsible for securing the body (asap, immediately if there's no pressing need for them to continue fighting), getting it to Noburi for draining, looting seals and the secret word, stashing the body in the tunnel, and finally reporting the number of gained seals to Keiko (so we can actually keep track of how many we have).
Also, since we're having Panashe spot, how about adding a simple protocol for reacting to her warnings? My first choice would be to have Keiko or Tenten ready to Goo Bomb the incoming hostiles, but we can also just make note of it and have whoever's the field commander order a team to intercept when it happens.
- Location
- Galicia,Spain
We should fin a way to protect our seals against the using water to make them useless tactic in some way.
Or from being easily stolen whith some weird boodline.
This seems something the other teams could try against us .
Or from being easily stolen whith some weird boodline.
This seems something the other teams could try against us .
We're talking about people who just crossed a swamp (or marsh if you prefer). I rather suspect everyone is carrying their seals in something decently waterproof.
Who is capable of digging this tunnel you want to use to stash bodies? Can Panashe do it?
I don't think anyone should drop out of the fight until all opponents are down, but some structure to the process might help.
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We don't need a tunnel; we just need a hole. Literally, just a hole. Like one you'd use to make a mass grave or something like that.
Uh...
@Briefvoice I will suggest that Hazou spend the next 2-2.5hr working on seals, since none of us have reason to leave until it's nearing sundown (in 3hrs). Maybe hunting some weaker teams not around the Pool of Death, would Keiko/Shikamaru find that reasonable?
Wait, so we literally can't leave the swamp for the next 3 hours without getting DQ?
Uh...
@Briefvoice I will suggest that Hazou spend the next 2-2.5hr working on seals, since none of us have reason to leave until it's nearing sundown (in 3hrs). Maybe hunting some weaker teams not around the Pool of Death, would Keiko/Shikamaru find that reasonable?
- Location
- Potato land
I'm actually confused about what we're doing at this point, to be honest. I guess we build the tunnel to the edge of the swamp and proceed the rest of the way on foot? We can't build the tunnel all the way to the ambush site, because we can't move outside the marsh until the 30 minute grace period, and at that point we won't have enough time.
Anyway, we just need a place to store bodies out of sight, a concealed hole in the ground works fine.
Anyway, we just need a place to store bodies out of sight, a concealed hole in the ground works fine.
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- Yes.
I think the plan is to wait until ~3-5min before sundown before leaving for the ambush site. That way we'd be leaving the swamp grounds right as sundown is happening, and we'd thus (likely) be the first ones to the ambush site.
Another option is to go to the "edge of the swamp" ambush site, which is technically in the swamp so we can go there earlier. Just a thought.
Yes, that's my understanding. I kind of... kind of actually don't want to put it in the plan, because at the end of the update Hazou and all the NPCs all nodded like they understood exactly what they planned to do for the next few hours and how they were going to get to the ambush site and the only question was which site to pick and how to conduct the ambushes when they got there. I assume Hazou will continue to make seals and everyone will plan and prepare for the next three hours.
Hey, so great. If everybody is on board and the GMs are ready to write from that point, let's start with plan with arriving at the ambush site.
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Apologies, I mean that we'd go to the edge, which technically is still part of the Swamp, and fight there.
Edit: Wow, I am terrible at explaining things. Just ignore me.
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Winged_One
Head Engineer of ATHENA
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- Low Earth Orbit
We could send the stealthy pangolin to go hunt teams. It demonstrated being able to sneak up and disable them already.
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- Yes.
Unfortunately I'm dubious on this account: Panashe expressed worry about "quite a few" individuals with Alertness enough to defeat her Stealth, and while she was able to locate many teams without high Alertness IMO those teams have been already taken out by better teams.
- Location
- The Void
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- She/Her
Yes we most definitely should do this
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
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- Left of Center
Can't we have the pangolin dig the tunnel all the way to the ambush site? Just because we can't leave the arena doesn't mean our side effects can't.
Cue the excessive destruction of any and all pieces of cover we disapprove of in the zone between the swamp and the finish line.
Also random pangolin dug deadfalls, scouting and traps.
Cue the excessive destruction of any and all pieces of cover we disapprove of in the zone between the swamp and the finish line.
Also random pangolin dug deadfalls, scouting and traps.
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- The Void
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Have Panjandrum dig the tunnel so we can potentially have him available to support if we get outnumbered or end up fighting the equivalent of team Gaara
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- Potato land
I'm a big believer in Panashe's competence, but I'm skeptical whether she can take a whole team by herself. And I'd much rather have her as a spotter, and a disabler of ranged combatants in a big fight (@Briefvoice what do you think?).
The idea of sending a Pangolin outside the swamp to prepare an ambush site ahead of time is a good one. Why a longer tunnel, though? We can emerge at the edge of the swamp the second it becomes legal to leave it, and basically guarantee we'll be first to the ambush site that way.
The idea of sending a Pangolin outside the swamp to prepare an ambush site ahead of time is a good one. Why a longer tunnel, though? We can emerge at the edge of the swamp the second it becomes legal to leave it, and basically guarantee we'll be first to the ambush site that way.
That would be a two mile long tunnel. I'm not sure how fast Pangolins can tunnel and how much chakra it burns, but tunneling two miles in three hours would be a truly incredible speed as tunneling goes. Can they go that fast?
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A reasonable point, though I worry that he might not have the skills necessary to dig a lasting tunnel (read: he may not have the pangolin version of Tunnel Excavation). It's probably best if we ask Keiko if Panjandrum or Panashe should be sent (or another Pangolin, if she's willing to reveal them).
Could you explain, please; I feel that I'm reading this incorrectly; you want us to go to the edge of the swamp and then tunnel?
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
- Location
- Left of Center
Fair enough. But pangolin are chakra boosted tunnelers at a deep level. I have no trouble believing that they might be able to do that.
We should ask Keiko.
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- Yes.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail
- What are Keiko's 4 unspecified Pangolins, that she got from the second Skytower trade; and what are their abilities?
- What is the 5th Pangolin jutsu we got, and what are its specs?
- What are specs for Water Release: Syrup Trap and Pantokrator's Hammer?
- What does Hazou know of his allies (Team Asuma, Team Guy, Team Akane) in terms of their abilities?
- Location
- Potato land
The reverse, as in the original plan. We tunnel from the fort to the edge; there, we emerge immediately as the 30 minute grace period begins, and run to the ambush site. Tunneling all the way to the ambush site will slow us down for no benefit.
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Ah, I see. That also makes sense.
So in a way, this "12 Strong" strategy has been a big gamble.
Look, we don't know how many ninjas the proctors intend to advance from this exam, but my guess is that it's a major winnowing device. Eaglejarl said outright that at least half the teams have been straight-up "taken out" and then you have the ones who don't bring in enough seals. I wouldn't be surprised if they only end up advancing 32* or so (10%) and then those go to the tournament. 32 would produce five rounds of tournament fights, which would allow everyone to display their stuff. That's 11 teams. We want to ensure the pass of 4 out of only 11 teams?
*11 teams would be 33, but I'm sure they can just pick the two weakest-seeming ninja and force them to fight for a slot or something.
Or hell, what if they only take the top fifteen and then it's a four round tournament, with some lucky fellow getting a bye on the first round! Then we're trying to ensure 4 out of only 5 teams!
I can see why multi-team teams might not have been a popular strategy. If you're trying to provide enough seals for 12 people to advance, you have to give up all hope of just targeting the weak and mutually agreeing not to fight with the other strong. It becomes not doable anymore. You're going to have to fight the strong. The numbers ensure it.
That was always going to be a tough row to hoe. We just did the easy part, chilling in a fort and relaxing for the majority of the exam. Boosting our score with seals. But now the piper comes due. We are going to have to fight multiple strong teams to win this. The best of the best, the few out of the 300 with the most power and skill. It's going to be brutal. And frankly, running around hunting a few weak teams won't help much. It's the toughest ninja that have the number of seals we need if we want 12 people to all pass.
Now, our advantage is that we do have numbers and we did spend most of the exam relaxing in the fort. Tanned, rested, and ready as the saying goes. But this is going to be one hell of a punch-fest.
Look, we don't know how many ninjas the proctors intend to advance from this exam, but my guess is that it's a major winnowing device. Eaglejarl said outright that at least half the teams have been straight-up "taken out" and then you have the ones who don't bring in enough seals. I wouldn't be surprised if they only end up advancing 32* or so (10%) and then those go to the tournament. 32 would produce five rounds of tournament fights, which would allow everyone to display their stuff. That's 11 teams. We want to ensure the pass of 4 out of only 11 teams?
*11 teams would be 33, but I'm sure they can just pick the two weakest-seeming ninja and force them to fight for a slot or something.
Or hell, what if they only take the top fifteen and then it's a four round tournament, with some lucky fellow getting a bye on the first round! Then we're trying to ensure 4 out of only 5 teams!
I can see why multi-team teams might not have been a popular strategy. If you're trying to provide enough seals for 12 people to advance, you have to give up all hope of just targeting the weak and mutually agreeing not to fight with the other strong. It becomes not doable anymore. You're going to have to fight the strong. The numbers ensure it.
That was always going to be a tough row to hoe. We just did the easy part, chilling in a fort and relaxing for the majority of the exam. Boosting our score with seals. But now the piper comes due. We are going to have to fight multiple strong teams to win this. The best of the best, the few out of the 300 with the most power and skill. It's going to be brutal. And frankly, running around hunting a few weak teams won't help much. It's the toughest ninja that have the number of seals we need if we want 12 people to all pass.
Now, our advantage is that we do have numbers and we did spend most of the exam relaxing in the fort. Tanned, rested, and ready as the saying goes. But this is going to be one hell of a punch-fest.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
So here's a question: If we were another team, would we actually bother getting seals from the proctors, or would we just steal seals instead from then-weakened teams?
...Wouldn't everyone do that, thus making for relatively-few actual seals in the place?
...Wouldn't everyone do that, thus making for relatively-few actual seals in the place?