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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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Fanhunter696 said:
I am not saying that Adamant is not awesome and that it wouldn´t dramtically shape our relationship with the Brotherhood forever.
But I fail to see the difference that finishing the Rune this turn intead of doing it the next one, would have...

Dwarf research is supossed to be slow and meticulous, and no one would care if it took us 20 years intead of 10 to finish that research...
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The difference is that we're on the clock right now. We need to know if there is anything more we need to do to start producing Adamant so we can account for it and fit it into our tight schedule for the next four turns.

If there is something we can probably do it next turn as we'll probably be waiting on the Dragon Hide to get here before we can start on making the cloaks.

Next turn we'll have to do the first part of the armor Commission and the griffin Torcs which will leave us with an extra two actions that we need to spend on something. If there is another step to Adamant production we can do it then.
 
Yeah, the armor that will be requested of us. Being able to make it out of adamant/with the new Rune immediately as opposed to having to put it off for another project or wait another turn is a boon born from getting Rune Metal done now.
 
MysteryCPU said:
(and potentially prevent a grudge against us for giving our word and going back on it)
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A Grudge is unlikely to happen. Grudges, in this time period, are the stuff of Monsters waging war against Dawikind. Goodwill can be lost, relations can sour, but something as simple as the delay of a commission is unlikely to cause a Grudge to be invoked without some sort of warning ahead of time.

Red Bovine said:
What do you mean about 'ineffecient' metal rune research? We can literally finish it this turn and even do the Torques in said turn.
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Red Bovine said:
...That does not explain why we can't do torques and rune metal this turn while still being able get the dowry done by the timeline. No really, explain why not.
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Later posts suggest that you've figured out the math, but since you asked.

Torques are at 1/3 [Maximum Apprentice Investment].
Rune Metal is at 3/8.

We have 4 actions. 3 actions to Rune Metal results in 5 progress, completing it, leaving 1 action remaining which is not enough to complete the Torques.

EVA-Saiyajin said:
Yeah, the armor that will be requested of us. Being able to make it out of adamant/with the new Rune immediately as opposed to having to put it off for another project or wait another turn is a boon born from getting Rune Metal done now.
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I get what you mean, but waiting a turn to finish Rune Metal pt 4 and having 2 actions to either get started on the Armor Commission which we haven't been given yet or do something else, after making sure that the Griffons can be properly talked to, looks like it can work out.
 
Walliseatscheese said:
A Grudge is unlikely to happen. Grudges, in this time period, are the stuff of Monsters waging war against Dawikind. Goodwill can be lost, relations can sour, but something as simple as the delay of a commission is unlikely to cause a Grudge to be invoked without some sort of warning ahead of time.




Later posts suggest that you've figured out the math, but since you asked.

Torques are at 1/3 [Maximum Apprentice Investment].
Rune Metal is at 3/8.

We have 4 actions. 3 actions to Rune Metal results in 5 progress, completing it, leaving 1 action remaining which is not enough to complete the Torques.



I get what you mean, but waiting a turn to finish Rune Metal pt 4 and having 2 actions to either get started on the Armor Commission which we haven't been given yet or do something else, after making sure that the Griffons can be properly talked to, looks like it can work out.
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The problem with waiting a turn on Rune Metal is that if there is something else we need to do after that we'll have to somehow fit it into the turn after that and there's a good chance of that being really awkward and might totally screw our schedule as that's one of the turns we'll need to be sinking a lot of actions into one of the commissions part 2.

Edit: Also if we wait to do the Torcs we can put 2 actions into it in one turn and get a point of overflow from PLNO. If we wait the end product will benefit at no cost to us.
 
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MysteryCPU said:
Does that address the issue?
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Hmm, basically yes. I don't actually agree with most of your arguments here, but that doesn't really matter. The way you presented them gives people something to engage with at least. Overall I'd say a good rule of thumb is the less context you give to something the less stark you want to make whatever point you're trying to get across be.
 
Walliseatscheese said:
I get what you mean, but waiting a turn to finish Rune Metal pt 4 and having 2 actions to either get started on the Armor Commission which we haven't been given yet or do something else, after making sure that the Griffons can be properly talked to, looks like it can work out.
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The difference is that one looks more impressive to the Brotherhood, getting out Adamant so early, and one looks less so, especially if it comes AFTER we get the letter from them and not before.
 
UlseDovThur said:
The problem with waiting a turn on Rune Metal is that if there is something else we need to do after that we'll have to somehow fit it into the turn after that and there's a good chance of that being really awkward and might totally screw our schedule as that's one of the turns we'll need to be sinking a lot of actions into one of the commissions part 2.
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We'll have 2 actions free next turn to address any issues that might come up, and in the absolute worst case we can spend 5 actions on the decade of the wedding to put 8 production into what is at its base at most a 3 production project.

I personally would love to put an immense amount of production into each item, with my last math putting 5/5/6 as possible, but I accept the reality where it doesn't happen.
 
Walliseatscheese said:
We'll have 2 actions free next turn to address any issues that might come up, and in the absolute worst case we can spend 5 actions on the decade of the wedding to put 8 production into what is at its base at most a 3 production project.

I personally would love to put an immense amount of production into each item, with my last math putting 5/5/6 as possible, but I accept the reality where it doesn't happen.
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We'll have 1. 3 actions to Rune Metal and 1 Action to part 1 of the Armor commission.

There is the chance that the Dragon hide takes 3 turns to get here so we might not be able to work on the cloaks until turn 4. Which means we might need to do the armors on turn 3. Which means we need part one of the armor commission done on turn 2.
 
MysteryCPU said:
However, I can't say that it wouldn't happen
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Then dont say it at all.

Or retract the assertion outright.

Considering you're the only one positing that possibility, you're the one, ah...*baseless perspective*-mongering, as it were, then the solution to attempting to uh...*guide* people via their *non-rational levers* is to simply stop doing it in the first place.

Rather than resorting to the argumentative equivalent of slapping people in the face and crying out at how you were injured in the act of doing so.

I am no fan of at least one person calling you out on the act, but to speak plainly if you don't want the tone of discussion to sink into the mud, then perhaps you ought to start cleaning up your own actions before blaming others for it first.
 
UlseDovThur said:
We'll have 1. 3 actions to Rune Metal and 1 Action to part 1 of the Armor commission.

There is the chance that the Dragon hide takes 3 turns to get here so we might not be able to work on the cloaks until turn 4. Which means we might need to do the armors on turn 3. Which means we need part one of the armor commission done on turn 2.
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That assumes we get the Armor commission next turn. We can also spend more Favor to move supplies here faster if necessary.
 
TehChron said:
Then dont say it at all.

Or retract the assertion outright.

Considering you're the only one positing that possibility, you're the one, ah...*baseless perspective*-mongering, as it were, then the solution to attempting to uh...*guide* people via their *non-rational levers* is to simply stop doing it in the first place.

Rather than resorting to the argumentative equivalent of slapping people in the face and crying out at how you were injured in the act of doing so.

I am no fan of at least one person calling you out on the act, but to speak plainly if you don't want the tone of discussion to sink into the mud, then perhaps you ought to start cleaning up your own actions before blaming others for it first.
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I am not retracting the assertion, nor am I agreeing that it is baseless. Grudges are a part of the Warhammer setting, and what sets off a Grudge is amorphous. Again, I gave an example that a Grudge was given in the setting over two pennies. Let me be clear: they thought its fine to create a grudge over being shortchanged two pennies and it was thought a raid against the entire town was a good recompense. If that is sufficient to set off a grudge, would our actions set off a grudge?

I am not sure- but I do believe it's a possibility based on the setting. So, not baseless. And, since the action of doing the Torque now will remove it from being a possibility altogether, something I took into consideration.

I disagree with your characterization of what occurred.

Though, to stop the discussion from spiraling, I do believe that QM ruling would be helpful.

@soulcake Is it possible for a grudge to form if we continue to delay our promised help with the Griffons?

Edit: QM ruling.
 
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godofsmallthings said:
How many years does a Griffon live? It's already been 2 or 3 decades...
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Well, the griffons are getting something from eating the greedy one hearts. Increased lifespan and some immunity to chaos makes sense considering the greedy ones were originally trolls and they live centuries.
MysteryCPU said:
@soulcake Is it possible for a grudge to form if we continue to delay our promised help with the Griffons?
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We had one request that sat for about... 3 turns? 4 turns? And the dwarf that made the request was fine with the wait. Sure, he wasn't happy, but he accepted the delay. Snorri just had to compensate him out of pocket. We made sure the next request was finished immediately as well.

[X] Plan Plate Polishing and Dragon Cloaks Prep

There's a lot of research I'd like to do, adamant, silver Wutroth and hearthstones. But well, the commissions need to be done. I really do enjoy the narrative of making a necklace to remind the princess of home using materials mostly only available to her home.
 
UlseDovThur said:
There's no reason to think we wouldn't get it next turn. We got the dowry commission in anticipation of the armor commission after all.
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Considering Dwarf timescale, "anticipation for the armor commission" could be a very wide reaching amount of time. Unfortunately there's not really anything I can say beyond that because it could be commissioned next turn. It could also be commissioned on the wedding turn, or even a century from now.

I acknowledge it could happen next turn. I just think it unlikely.
 
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