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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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I refuse the title out of hubris and ambition, I crave to surpass our gods, to improve with every step, to try and help even Dawn society improve with every step

Truly this is tengan toppa
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
Well, that's a lot of votes, thogh with the clarification,people did realize the burden of being Heir, and it seems to have convincing results.

Though it is good to see it isn't a one-sided decision and reading the reasoning was interesting.
How much longer will the vote be going?
 
Andy0915 said:
Considering how certain voters who chose "reject being heir" kept browbeating people who voted for "accept being heir"
because they assumed their opposition did not understand their interpretation of the issue instead of disagreeing with it;
I'm very much not inclined to view these statements favorably in the slightest.
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Sorry, are you saying I was doing that? If I said someone misunderstood, I wasn't trying to brownbeat anyone, I genuinely thought they misunderstood something.

Sorry if someone else got condescending, but I don't have control over that man.
 
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[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
Speculation, but I think a big difference in the story beats of Accept vs Reject would be in how the specific nature of how we interact with characters. Using Vragni as an example.

With reject the interaction I think would be technical and skill based. Vragni's will challenge us to do things to prove that our way is superior. He'll begrudgingly accept and perhaps vouch (regretfully) for us but it'll be a clear cut interaction. Research and AP prioritsation woulld be the order of the day.

With accept Vragni will challenge us ideologically. He'll try to present what he thinks is best for dawi, what is best for the guild and what is best for the will of Thungni. There's no level of technical skill that will change his mind. Rather we must wield our ideals as both a shield and weapon to fight for the Seat of Durin and the Mantle of next Runesmith Leader. Especially as we're built to do the exact opposite of Thungni's build, specializing in simplification for weaker members rather than Thungni's perpetual self improvement
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
DragonParadox said:
It is, but it is also possible he did not, it is not reasonable to assume something with no evidence IMO.
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Xon said:
The Guild has a major issue in that the original founder is a worshiped god by it's members and who frankly didn't invest in institutional knowledge or processes.
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More than that the original founder cannot actually teach all that he knows and he goes outof his way to remove examples of what he can do
 
Another idea, after we check out Valaya's Axe...I believe we should reforge Snorri's ax, one given by his wife. It would be very much symbolic, the past won't no longer weight on him...but he will remember it.
 
OhNoMySanitea said:
Sorry, are you saying I was doing that? If I said someone misunderstood, I wasn't trying to brownbeat anyone, I genuinely thought they misunderstood something.
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I'm saying because of how many people were passive-aggressively sniping at their opposition regarding which interpretation was the correct one;
I am not going to give any credibility to people in this thread who call for politeness and/or respectibilty
at this point when there is a very real possibility they were participation in the sniping.
 
Andy0915 said:
I'm saying because of how many people were passive-aggressively sniping at their opposition regarding which interpretation was the correct one;
I am not going to give any credibility to people in this thread who call for politeness and/or respectibilty
at this point when there is a very real possibility they were participation in the sniping.
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Ah ok, understood, you do you.
 
Evillevi said:
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More than that the original founder cannot actually teach all that he knows and he goes outof his way to remove examples of what he can do
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It could be the case that he considers what he did to be cheating. Grungni never explained precisely how he made Gromril chain, presumably because it whatever he did was something unique to him that no other Dawi could replicate.

There's a chance it was the same with Thungni, his mastery of runecraft potentially not being a wholly natural skill which he considered to be something that could not be replicated in the same manner. As such, he instead set things up so that whoever claimed the hammer would get a hint at just how far runecraft could be taken, but not leave it lying around so Dawi could beat their heads against an impossible wall.
 
Gabriel_TFA said:
Another idea, after we check out Valaya's Axe...I believe we should reforge Snorri's ax, one given by his wife. It would be very much symbolic, the past won't no longer weight on him...but he will remember it.
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I don't think Snorri's axe had anything to do with his wife.
It was the cloak that she'd given him.
Possibly the Ruby and Diamond Amulet, however I can't find a source for that.
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
[X] Claim the Title of Heir: [Cost: ???] Gain title: Heir of Thungni, ??? You claim a position that has remained in doubt since Durin died. By Thungni's word, the hammer you would now wield confirms that you are His Heir. Elevating your authority to that of the Ancestor's eldest children, living or dead. You would not, could not be a tyrant of course, but still.

We read the terms and conditions on the plinth and took the hammer. Ancestor Gods say 'no take backs'!

But seriously, we have been headed towards a schism for a long time. We are a visible success story for the radical, which has just accelerated the timeline, and it's been made worse by the rock-headed buffoon that calls himself our rival. Someone needs to be in charge to herd this gaggle of squawking runelords to help keep things together when it all starts to come apart. Having the hammer was going to have responsibilities, and it probably will even if we don't take the title, so I'd rather just start now so we have more control over how this whole thing shakes out.
 
[x] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.

Having read it all up, I think I will conclude that Thungni did not intend for there to be a heir at all. What's with everyone qualified refusing to be his heir. Durin wasn't going to be Thungni's heir, and was carving his own path. Taking up Durin's mantle equals that as well. And Thungni did not say 'be my heir', he said 'take up Durin's mantle', which are two different things even if dwarves equate the two.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Why reforge rather than replace. Sticking runes into the adamant furnace just seems like a bad idea.
Well, the reason not to do either of course is that we're a dual wielder with a legendary and mythical weapon so there are lower apples to grasp but...
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True, but there is of course minus of losing Thungi's hammer, and I mean losing losing. Being possibly disarmed but not losing the hammer, I doubt we will lose our reputation. But loosing loosing is something very grudge worth it.
 
Gabriel_TFA said:
True, but there is of course minus of losing Thungi's hammer, and I mean losing losing. Being possibly disarmed but not losing the hammer, I doubt we will lose our reputation. But loosing loosing is something very grudge worth it.
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i asm not worried about being disarmed.
Snorri melted into a puddle and still held on to his hammer.
The haft of his hammer burned to ash, and he still held on to his hammer.

The only way he loses the hammer is if they pry if from his cold dead hands.
 
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