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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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Evillevi said:
I'll be honest, I have no idea how to interpret this.
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The first block is his actual vote. The second block and what comes after is him just saying what he wish he could choose if it was an option. And he wishes we were the heir of Durin, not Thungi, thus trying to fit Durin's ways like a glove instead of Thungi, which is much more in line with our existing modus operandi

At least as I understand the post.
 
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[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
lancelot said:
Is voting no the same as Snorri telling him about the poems and nothing else?

Tell them what the poems are. Say Thungni doesn't state I'm his Heir outright. So spread the word if you want and Dawi can make up their own mind about what the poem does and doesn't mean, and if I'm heir or not.

The path I've been taking was enough for him to tell me about the test in the first place so I'm doing something right. In that case I'm keep on this path until Thungni gives me another poke and tells me otherwise.
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I think most religions have an injunction against trying to test your gods.
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
Binge-Reader said:
Well this is the most numerous vote I've seen in any quest in a long while.
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Nearly 400 votes!

Being Fair this would be the storyline of the quest for the next year or so.

Pursuing potential Ancestorhood while struggling to not leave people behind .

or

The passing on of the old guard and the power to fix and break everythign.
 
[X] Claim the Title of Heir: [Cost: ???] Gain title: Heir of Thungni, ??? You claim a position that has remained in doubt since Durin died. By Thungni's word, the hammer you would now wield confirms that you are His Heir. Elevating your authority to that of the Ancestor's eldest children, living or dead. You would not, could not be a tyrant of course, but still.

Since clarification arrived, I am voting for what I originally planned to.
 
Ternasta said:
How disappointing. Cowardice is winning.
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Being fair, it's not cowardice as such.

People just don't want the specific type of Drama that the contradictory Thungni Heir thing entails. After all both options requires effort to actualize as being Thungni's Heir or Pursuing Ancestorhood are very different story beats.

On one hand I love the Runeguild interactions and more of them via the Thungni thing speaks to me. That and fixing the guild .

But if you pursue Ancestorhood you're already fixing Dawi society , that is one of the main requirements of being an Ancestor God.
 
lancelot said:
That isn't a test, that is an invitation for Thungni to send you another letter out of no where or some other sign. If he does cool time to change things up, if he doesn't I'll keep to the path I've been on when he first put me on the trail for his hammer.
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He is dead/gone, he does not have hands to send out letters with. So that would make an invitation to a miracle to change Snori's mind, generally frowned upon I'd say.
 
DragonParadox said:
He is dead/gone, he does not have hands to send out letters with. So that would make an invitation to a miracle to change Snori's mind, generally frowned upon I'd say.
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It's very possible that Thungni penned multiple letters/instructions with conditional activation requirements. Considering that Kazador received one recently it's points towards Thungni having many many accomplices holding letters or messages waiting for seomthing.
 
NutMaster said:
With all due respect, I think it's a bit insulting to reduce pages of discussion and many different people's opinion to one word especially to one as such as that.
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Believe me, I have a lot of words to describe the choice of refuse, but cowardice is the kindest one I could manage without lying through my teeth.
lizatessu said:
Considering the place in question, no questor ever wants to be saddled with responsibility, especially if it means it comes at a cost to their own personal freedoms, whatever you define as their freedoms anyway.
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I'm talking about Snorri being afraid of what making the claim entails, allowing fear to rule his mind. That's what refuse boils down to, cowardice on Snorri's part.
 
Evillevi said:
It's very possible that Thungni penned multiple letters/instructions with conditional activation requirements. Considering that Kazador received one recently it's points towards Thungni having many many accomplices holding letters or messages waiting for seomthing.
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It is, but it is also possible he did not, it is not reasonable to assume something with no evidence IMO.
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.

Evillevi said:
The Guild does kinda need someone to actualized a more reliable way to complete or at least slow down the degradation of the Guild due to overrelying on super geniuses.
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The Guild has a major issue in that the original founder is a worshiped god by it's members and who frankly didn't invest in institutional knowledge or processes.
 
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Ternasta said:
How disappointing. Cowardice is winning.
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That is not cowardice. Yeah, I am voting to claim a title, but not claiming it is not a bad choice. Both choices have their advantages and cons, I get over it, and if "refusing" wins, sure. It will be a harder path to be seen as Ancestor material than getting a Heir which would slightly smooth the path. Either way, the goal of the quest (to me) is not to become an Ancestor but to bring runecraft to higher levels.
 
[X] Claim the Title of Heir: [Cost: ???] Gain title: Heir of Thungni, ??? You claim a position that has remained in doubt since Durin died. By Thungni's word, the hammer you would now wield confirms that you are His Heir. Elevating your authority to that of the Ancestor's eldest children, living or dead. You would not, could not be a tyrant of course, but still.

I'm here to say we can surpass our ancestors, and not to let self doubt rule us. Take mantle, rise to the challenge, whatever that may be.
 
[x] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.

With clarification post, i think I'd rather refuse then. Perhaps Thungi meant it for an heir. But if so, he should made it a lot more clear
 
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[x] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
Ternasta said:
Believe me, I have a lot of words to describe the choice of refuse, but cowardice is the kindest one I could manage without lying through my teeth.

I'm talking about Snorri being afraid of what making the claim entails, allowing fear to rule his mind. That's what refuse boils down to, cowardice on Snorri's part.
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If you feel required to lie through your teeth to acknowledge that Snorri is allowed to have concerns about his own ability to potentially inherit the mantle of his god, then I feel like that says more about your view of Snorri than it does about the people voting for refusing to claim the title. And it also means that you are ignoring something other voters have said, something that Soul even said himself in the points about the vote:
Snorri harbors a spark of ambition that he can do more than Thungi, leave a greater mark than just being his heir. If it is a coward's act to refuse a title that Snorri believes he can potentially outdo in the future, then you are saying that Snorri's ambitions to exceed the title mean nothing if he does take the title first.

Edit: Also found this tidbit from your own arguments for claiming the title earlier, sounds a bit funny in retrospect:
Ternasta said:
Ah, the age-old tactic of being condescending towards other voters because your choice is losing. Seriously, it's very insulting to think that only the side you advocate for has thought through the implications. My choice was made after rereading the whole quest and information threadmarks.
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It is what its is.
Soulcake clarified the poem with an interpretation which heavily favors the "reject being heir" option
while mostly undermining the rational for "accept being heir" option.
Not much of a point debating the issue anymore.
NutMaster said:
With all due respect, I think it's a bit insulting to reduce pages of discussion and many different people's opinion to one word especially to one as such as that.
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OhNoMySanitea said:
That's....frankly just insulting, no need to throw barbs man, politeness is not that difficult to exercise.
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Considering how certain voters who chose "reject being heir" kept browbeating people who voted for "accept being heir"
because they assumed their opposition did not understand their interpretation of the issue instead of disagreeing with it;
I'm very much not inclined to view these statements favorably in the slightest.
 
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