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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.

To be thungis heir is for our every action to carry the weight of a mountain, and I don't think Snorri is capable of doing so without accidentally squashing something.

There's a certain level of power at which acting becomes difficult and I'd rather not reach it.
 
soulcake said:
EDIT: On Durin,
Durin Thungnisson, the Eldest, the Greatest, the Lost.

The firstborn son of Thungni would be claimed to be Radical and Conservative by both sides, then again he started Runesmithing well before any such sides had formed. Mighty were his deeds, and revolutionary were his works. Durin was obsessed with pushing the art of Runecraft forward, and after learning all he could from his Father and being deemed worthy of Mastery, he set about that goal with gusto. Developing many Runes that today are foundational to the art, though never as much as his father. Similarly, many of the traditions Masters follow that were not set by Thungni were set by his son. Durin travelled Northwards with his family as they forged the path northwards, settling Dwarf Holds as they went. The eldest of Thungni's children was prolific because of the number of students he personally taught, teaching promising young Kinsmen until shortly before his disappearance several hundred years ago. His was the mind that first found the Consternation that was named after him. His was one of the first hands to bend and forge Gromril, taught by his Uncle, Grandfather and Father after its discovery. During his long life, he founded two groups who are famed and remembered to this day, the Burudin, and later the Brotherhood of Dron. The first, as all know, to be a forum that fostered the development and innovation of new Runes and combinations of thereof, and the other to, unofficially, find a material that could bear more than three Runes of power. Of the many things that can be said of him, all could agree that Durin was a pioneer. A visionary who was not content to follow in his father's footsteps, but wanted to truly walk beside Him.
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... so what I'm getting from this is Snorri definitely has a different interpretation of Heir then Thungi or Durin. Durin due to his action's, and Thungi by proclaiming him heir accepting his actions.

The Burudin and the Brotherhood of Dron seem awfully similar to Khazagar; or at least a step forward on the same path...

Still if Thungi wants us as his heir he'd bloody well tell us himself. *grumble*
 
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A point that has not been made so far is that Thungi was the one to set up the cavern to collapse, which means that he knew that the only proof of the poem would be in the mind of the person who won. He also knew that some of the people who got the riddle were controversial so the question now becomes 'would Thungi have set it up so a small but vocal minority could call his heir a liar?' I do not think so, I mean even if he really wanted to blow up this place he could have just put the poem on detachable plaques with instructions of 'take this with you' and things would have been fine. It really does look like Snori is jumping the gun for what it's worth.
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.

Well, with the clarification I'll change my vote. Not sure if it's for the best, but my read on Snorri is that if he has sufficient doubt he'll not bring it up. It won't stop the hammer being a major political tool in and of itself, so some position of respect might form around it and the wielder regardless.
 
Wait, if Thungni's hammer draws the winds of magic (could have read the rune combo wrong), and Snorri's equipment draws from the deep magic. What would that do to item being crafted?
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.

Take the Empty Throne of Durin by Peers, not by Poem.
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
Look at how the tides have turned. Vragni will have to satisfy himself that he'll only have to tear his beard off in frustration in claiming the Hammer rather than tearing it off in sheer disbelief that we become the heir.

The argument has swayed me somewhat, still unsure which exactly as both come with massive pros and cons in my eyes.
 
OceanReaper said:
Wait, if Thungni's hammer draws the winds of magic (could have read the rune combo wrong), and Snorri's equipment draws from the deep magic. What would that do to item being crafted?
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In short, cool shit. In long, who really knows, but if forging things with Thungi's fucking hammer doesn't make something stronger I'll eat my fuckin' hat.
 
BigFungus26 said:
Changing the subject to something else for a quick second but I'm thinking on what'd happen if we tried making Brynbar with the new hammer

Feels like it'd be cool to have the first thing we make with Thungni's hammer is something that evokes the myth of the glittering realm.
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Yeah, sounds very thematic. Other options is creating an amulet with rune we get to know from this trail.
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.

Ok, in light of the summation i am gking to change my vote.
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
On topic of new hammer creations what about crafting something for Karstah? A gift from a friendly runelord to a peer, a gift from a master to a loyal student maybe a gift from father to daughter. Even without all emotional baggage, she helped us taking the hammer and played a not insignificant part in it. What would be appropriate as a present, if we decide to give one?
 
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[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
OceanReaper said:
Wait, if Thungni's hammer draws the winds of magic (could have read the rune combo wrong), and Snorri's equipment draws from the deep magic. What would that do to item being crafted?
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--- The hammer absorbs the Winds of Magic around it, both passively from the environment and by striking something, including manifestations of magic or the magic within an object, bypassing the vessel if they so choose.
--- The hammer eventually converts any Winds it absorbs into Deep Magic that the wielder can use to either empower the hammer or channel into other objects, creatures or Runes with another strike.
—— Rune items made by this hammer can draw on Deep Magic.
—— Runes created by this hammer are almost entirely immune to passive wear and tear and are very resistant to mundane and magical sabotage.

Rune empowering still happens via deep magic
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.

After the clarification, I chose this

[ ] Claim the Title of Heir: [Cost: ???] Gain title: Heir of Thungni Durin, ??? You claim a position that has remained in doubt since Durin died. By Thungni's word, the hammer you would now wield confirms that you are His Durin's Heir. Elevating your authority to that of the Ancestor's eldest children, living or dead. You would not, could not be a tyrant of course, but still.

And if possible, I would choose this, as the poem said that claiming the hammer is to claim the seat of the lost.
 
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
380 Votes and counting!

With the new vote I think I'll stick to
[ ] Claim the Title of Heir: [Cost: ???] Gain title: Heir of Thungni Durin, ??? You claim a position that has remained in doubt since Durin died. By Thungni's word, the hammer you would now wield confirms that you are His Durin's Heir. Elevating your authority to that of the Ancestor's eldest children, living or dead. You would not, could not be a tyrant of course, but still.

because Cecylene raised a good point
Cecylene said:
But the Guild needs someone who can actually be a teacher of teachers and a student of students. Snorri still learns so much from the people he taught and the Runelords he works with, synthesizing together vast arrays of tunes into ever greater heights and inventing ways to allow those less gifted to follow in his footsteps. Snorri has worked relentlessly on Windsight and creating ways for Karstah, and inevitably others in time, to see what he sees and learn what he's learned without needing centuries of trial and error.
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The Guild does kinda need someone to actualized a more reliable way to complete or at least slow down the degradation of the Guild due to overrelying on super geniuses.

While we can do it as our own dawi and that's not a bad thing, I think the home run of navigating the obstacles of mimicing someone who left no info to complete the Guild where Thungni failed is a great enough prize to risk everything

Adhoc vote count started by MrRageQuit on Sep 5, 2024 at 2:10 AM, finished with 1355 posts and 380 votes.
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[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.
 
The Void King said:
[X] Refuse the Title of Heir: [Cost: Nothing] Gain ???. You will take up this hammer, you will use it, but you are your own Dwarf with your own goals. The burden of carrying Thungni's Will, of being His Heir, is one you choose not to carry. Someone or no one can claim it for all you care, but it will not be you.

After the clarification, I chose this

[ ] Claim the Title of Heir: [Cost: ???] Gain title: Heir of Thungni Durin, ??? You claim a position that has remained in doubt since Durin died. By Thungni's word, the hammer you would now wield confirms that you are His Durin's Heir. Elevating your authority to that of the Ancestor's eldest children, living or dead. You would not, could not be a tyrant of course, but still.

And if possible, I would choose this, as the poem said that claiming the hammer is to claim the seat of the lost.
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I'll be honest, I have no idea how to interpret this.
 
soulcake said:
I invite you read the last 4 updates and the poems and add your own conclusions/perspectives RESPECTFULLY.
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Is voting no the same as Snorri telling him about the poems and nothing else?

Tell them what the poems are. Say Thungni doesn't state I'm his Heir outright. So spread the word if you want and Dawi can make up their own mind about what the poem does and doesn't mean, and if I'm heir or not.

The path I've been taking was enough for him to tell me about the test in the first place so I'm doing something right. In that case I'm keep on this path until Thungni gives me another poke and tells me otherwise.

Anyways and more importantly now that we have the hammer it's time to build that Dragon Golem. With the hammer back having a hand in helping to build the first thing it's new wielder to make should have most of the cost and resources covered all by itself. Then we take the Dragon, hammer, and our own badass self and traumatize the one eye freaks on a soul deep generational level. A thousand years later one eye dwarfs should have them shit themselves and run screaming.
 
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