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Dorf would have kittens when they find out that umgi are very... short-lived, and that they couldn't even stubborn themselves to live older than they should.
 
[Non Canon???] Sigmar the Everchosen, +10 to a Roll [USED]
Sigmars time is so far away, and the circumstances of the Empires rise are mutable. It relies heavily on the specifics of a bunch of short-lived humans who appeared at the right place and right time with no overarching plans setting them in motion.

I mean just imagine if Soulcake decides to roll for what God Sigmar follows when he unites the Empire, and it gets a 1.

The Dread Emperor

The axe in his hand thrummed with power, a gift from the mountainfolk in ages past as it tore away the magic in this place. "They come; will you stand with me again on the battlefield old friend."

Fire rumbled forth in agreement. The wily old mammoth's eyes darting over the latest city they had reached too late.

The charred husk of the city of Salzenmund had long been reduced to kindling.

Smoke and ash billowed upwards in an endless expanse that blackened the skies in all directions, and from the chaos rose ranks upon ranks of demons. The rotten corpses of the dead rising once more, blood soaked monuments rising out of the ruins, a eulogy of songs and screaming carried on the winds and flashes of iridescent light pouring from the skies.

As one his men stood behind him, the armies of Norsca free of the taint of the Ruinous Powers, united in their pact with the elder races stood and prepared for war.

The steady thrum of the runes flowed as their power rose. The storm above surged to meet the devastation of their foes. The great shamans stood as one, pouring the winds of the aether onwards to assist their flying brethren.

Dwarf and man marched together in lockstep, even as the first of the artillery began to fire upon the dark tide awaiting them.

He stood at the front of the horde, a twisted mass of bulging red muscle and distended limbs.
Upon his back a standard of brass and iron poured blood in an endless tide, caking the very world around him in a miasma of Kharneths fury.
In his left, a whip danced endlessly as a thousand barbs tore screams from followers and foe on the whim of the Dark Prince.
In his right a hammer fit for an ogre wept a thousand pestilent maladies upon the world that cursed flesh and reason alike with the Plaguelords rot.
And on his brow a simple circlet of iron rested above eyes surging with the might of all eight arcane winds as the storm of chaos moved to the call of the Architect of Fate.

Everchosen Sigmar had come for them.

His own amulet of challenge pulsed with power. "I am Morkar King of the Norsii, face me kinslayer."

The Dread Emperor stared back even as the storm above fell upon him, a single hand reaching out and catching the lightning within. "Kinslayer?" His voice filled with mirth, even as a smile rose to his face. "Can you really call such weaklings your kin, the sycophants and cowards unwilling to grasp true power when they see it before them. Morkar you must realise we are like Gods amongst men, so why not take my rightful place above the masses?"

A wave of the monster's hand and the lightning poured forth, a flickering bolt of power that skittered harmlessly off his own shield.

He surged forward, strength filling his limbs and they met in combat. Axe and hammer, whip and shield bouncing off one another as the ground crumbled around them. "You're mad."

"I am enlightened." With an idle blow the whip lanced out and killed a man behind him. With a wave of his hand the winds tore the Brana above from the sky.

The hammer came down on the charge of a mammoth, the two combatants blown away by the force of their clash.

And in that moment his own axe swept in, wreathed in ethereal flame as it scoured the magic infusing the Dread Emperors form, rendering him mortal once more.

Fire answered and his world burst into flames.
 
It depends on whether the current unpleasantness with the Fimir ends up with the Dorfs chasing the Fimir to Albion and run into the natives or something I think.
Doubt that. With this being the fimir after the Great and second incursion, the concept of them fleeing to a tiny island, utterly devoid of any place with which to use it, would not be something they would think too heavily to go to when they've got a perfectly workable peninsula to work on. They need to take care of some troublesome dwarfs. Them going to Albion was a sign that they were losing the control they passed in the world. Hence, why is it served for a large part, as a sanctuary for their race? If they were defeated, they would be hunted at best, with horrible boats by Elves and Dwarf standards, at the open seas in the sea of claws. And it's not like the men of Albion haven't been incredibly strident in also fighting them, so no matter where I look at the angle, it's bad for the Fimir.
 
The Sigmar everchosen snip has me wondering what if Malekith does become Phoenix King.
It also has me wondering how Sigmar became everchosen since the wastes are on the poles so he'd have go north anyway.

Does he become a chaos champion to beat the Orcs instead?
Does he become a foe of the dawi because they have no need of him?
I mean the lizard men are still going to reshape the continent right?
Unless we cancel that because enough waystone are still functional.
 
The Sigmar everchosen snip has me wondering what if Malekith does become Phoenix King.
It also has me wondering how Sigmar became everchosen since the wastes are on the poles so he'd have go north anyway.

Does he become a chaos champion to beat the Orcs instead?
Does he become a foe of the dawi because they have no need of him?
I mean the lizard men are still going to reshape the continent right?
Unless we cancel that because enough waystone are still functional.
they reshaped it because they didn't have enough plaques, and what ones they did have, they tried to both argue, and do, a complete restructuring of a tectonic plate, to rewind the clock to what it was thousands of years ago. And in both cases, they won.

The way stones are not even going to be thought of, never mind considered. If this were to happen, then yeah I could see Soul roll for it. See, the things we can and can't change are entirely about how much it happens to involve dwarfs and the time period in which we can affect it. Sigmar's Birth could be argued to be born the same way, or altered, and both could be completely right. Even if we tried to argue how or why it doesn't matter. We are going to kick Sigmar's ass, be it chaotic or not. Now, hopefully, that doesn't happen, but even if it did, it honestly wouldn't matter a damn.
 
they reshaped it because they didn't have enough plaques, and what ones they did have, they tried to both argue, and do, a complete restructuring of a tectonic plate, to rewind the clock to what it was thousands of years ago. And in both cases, they won.

The way stones are not even going to be thought of, never mind considered. If this were to happen, then yeah I could see Soul roll for it. See, the things we can and can't change are entirely about how much it happens to involve dwarfs and the time period in which we can affect it. Sigmar's Birth could be argued to be born the same way, or altered, and both could be completely right. Even if we tried to argue how or why it doesn't matter. We are going to kick Sigmar's ass, be it chaotic or not. Now, hopefully, that doesn't happen, but even if it did, it honestly wouldn't matter a damn.
Your may have ignored the fact that Sigmar like the ancestors probably does not need to roll. And if he manages to rip a ghalmaraz tier weapon from somewhere, he'll become even more OP.

As good as we are, we are not currently able to stalemate Nehekara at it's peak.
Not to mention Nagash. (which he did)

Sigmar despite all the things that would give him problems, weakening of magic, lack of formal education, lack of tech had effectively taken baseline humans to become a major power in a time and place where Orcs, Skaven, Elves and all sort of gribly things went bump in the night and managed to unite warring tribes, defeat the King Arthur Expy(complete with caliburn), unite the tribes and create a human Empire not dependent on magic.

TLDR: don't underestimate the setting's Main Character.

Addendum: Also if he's a primarch then you're not going to have a fun time, Ghal Maraz or no. Nekkid Barbarian or no.

Also his capsule will be full of fun tech and Emperor grade anti chaos wards. We must retrieve it.
 
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Sigmar is not a primarch, we have his birth, also he lokked old at a normal human age.
Plus you know his normal size.
And he defeated a weakened Nagash more by distracting him with the crown of sorcery and then surprise warhammer rather than an epic long figth of brawn and muscle.
Most of his achievement were more because of great leadership and military tactics, sure he was a great figther, but as long as he doesn't get some magic equipment or a godly blessing he was still human, Snorry rigth now could take a mundane Sigmar and he will not get close to beat an ancestor without some form of massive buff.
Like Sigmar was a badass but he probably wasn't even the best warrior of mankind at his age, more of an absolutly gigantic leader with a big side of ass kicker.
 
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Sigmar is not a primarch, we have his birth, also he lokked old at a normal human age.
Plus you know his normal size.
While canonically Sigmar isn't a Primarch, it's fun and easy to write him as if he was.

Maybe all the details about his birth and upbringing were altered later, because a normal man founding the Empire sounds better than somekind of giant, probably magical child.
 
I think this is the opposite of what the empire as a faction is based of, normal humans figthing with faith steel and gunpowder against the darkness, but your headcannon is all your.
 
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The Sigmar everchosen snip has me wondering what if Malekith does become Phoenix King.
It also has me wondering how Sigmar became everchosen since the wastes are on the poles so he'd have go north anyway.

Does he become a chaos champion to beat the Orcs instead?
Does he become a foe of the dawi because they have no need of him?
I mean the lizard men are still going to reshape the continent right?
Unless we cancel that because enough waystone are still functional.

For how I wrote it (Although there are many other ways you could do it.)

After SV puts its foot on the scales for the hearts of the Norscans, the Chaos Gods turn there eyes southwards to the lands that were lost during the War of Vengeance, and the human tribes within.

Near the start of his journey Sigmar leads his tribe in battle against monsters from the middle mountains, But as they advance against them a path is opened to a portal from which all the madness seems to flow, and Sigmar steps forward to conquer it and drive back the demons on their home ground.
Now in the chaos wastes themselves he discovers the Circlet of Iron there (Malekith had not found it by chance) and from its whispers gleans a method to bind the demons to his own indomitable will, claiming territory in the Chaos Wastes themselves.
He unites the mortals he finds, rips knowledge from the demons he crushes, until finally atop an empire of demons and mortals alike, Be'lakor approaches him and grants him the mantle of everchosen.

At the end he returns through the portal with his newfound army to conquer the world.
 
He shakes his head. "Manlings. No self-respect."

I'm late to post this after you've already moved on to write other things, but this was cool. I dig the general rhythm you've got going, with the initial flowery description of the protagonist giving way to her grim estimation of her own chances in turn giving way to her detached perspective of the fight, with her only acknowledging to herself after the fact how panicked she was at one point. "Like a hound reminded it still has teeth" is a kickass simile and also surprisingly effective at conveying her attitude towards her own art, well done there.

It's not perfect certainly, there are some points where the components of your prose fits together a little awkwardly. Take her magic dagger for example, which you describe as being forged of moonbeams and etched with manticore venom curse words etc, but then cap off with a statement about the pommel being "the only purely artistic matter on it". Like I understand how those statements can be reconciled strictly as a matter of logic but they don't read very well together imo - you mention the adornment as if to contrast an otherwise plain and workmanlike weapon, but only after you've already written a rather elaborate description of how the dagger shapes and is shaped by Artes Moste Mystick. The sentences are cool on their own but, when read together, each undercuts the other. Still a pretty sweet piece overall despite niggling details like that, ty for writing it
 
I'm late to post this after you've already moved on to write other things, but this was cool. I dig the general rhythm you've got going, with the initial flowery description of the protagonist giving way to her grim estimation of her own chances in turn giving way to her detached perspective of the fight, with her only acknowledging to herself after the fact how panicked she was at one point. "Like a hound reminded it still has teeth" is a kickass simile and also surprisingly effective at conveying her attitude towards her own art, well done there.

It's not perfect certainly, there are some points where the components of your prose fits together a little awkwardly. Take her magic dagger for example, which you describe as being forged of moonbeams and etched with manticore venom curse words etc, but then cap off with a statement about the pommel being "the only purely artistic matter on it". Like I understand how those statements can be reconciled strictly as a matter of logic but they don't read very well together imo - you mention the adornment as if to contrast an otherwise plain and workmanlike weapon, but only after you've already written a rather elaborate description of how the dagger shapes and is shaped by Artes Moste Mystick. The sentences are cool on their own but, when read together, each undercuts the other. Still a pretty sweet piece overall despite niggling details like that, ty for writing it
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It's not perfect certainly, there are some points where the components of your prose fits together a little awkwardly. Take her magic dagger for example, which you describe as being forged of moonbeams and etched with manticore venom curse words etc, but then cap off with a statement about the pommel being "the only purely artistic matter on it". Like I understand how those statements can be reconciled strictly as a matter of logic but they don't read very well together imo - you mention the adornment as if to contrast an otherwise plain and workmanlike weapon, but only after you've already written a rather elaborate description of how the dagger shapes and is shaped by Artes Moste Mystick. The sentences are cool on their own but, when read together, each undercuts the other. Still a pretty sweet piece overall despite niggling details like that, ty for writing it
Perks of writing past 1: You do whatever you want in the moment because you have forgotten what you did ten minutes past

Drawbacks of writing past 1: You do whatever you want in the moment because you have forgotten what you did ten minutes past
 
Guys what chapters did Snerra crit/produce legendary items? Looking for her stuff. My search fu is weak.

Edit:Okay found the anvil and the eye. Now just need to search for how she got the beer guard. Oh turn 15. Clan Bryggeroot. She's my favorite charcter in this quest after Snorri.
I can only wonder what it would be like if kept getting full 100 crits
:D
 
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Guys what chapters did Snerra crit/produce legendary items? Looking for her stuff. My search fu is weak.

Okay found the anvil. Now just need to search for how she got the beer guard. She's my favorite charcter in this quest after Snorri. :D
There's an Apocrypha threadmark that has the apprentice creations, its not maintained by me though. I've added it to the FAQ as well.
 
There's an Apocrypha threadmark that has the apprentice creations, its not maintained by me though. I've added it to the FAQ as well.
Yes. But I was search for the chapters they were introduced. I'm still missing the shinning banner but I've found the eye and anvil. :(
Rereading them cause your writing is too good.
EDIT: Found everything!
Now I'm wondering what would Snerra have gotten if she had that +15(omake) added to the reroll of the banner
100+40+15= something Glorious.
Maybe 2 legendary, 1 Epic instead of 1 legendary, 2 Epic?


Quick question : is Vragni the same as the one promoted during the +4 runelords of Kraka Drakk? Cause that means he's like 3/5ths our age or something. (700 to our 1000+)
 
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Quick question : is Vragni the same as the one promoted during the +4 runelords of Kraka Drakk? Cause that means he's like 3/5ths our age or something. (700 to our 1000+)
Yep, as others noted. Running through some quick math he's 868 right now. As a side note if you disregard Kraka Drakk for a moment and just look at the rest of the Far North, Valma the Gronti maker is the youngest of the Regional Runelords at 710, with Igna at 760 as the second youngest. Snerra is of course the absolute youngest in the region at 418 or so, if you include Kraka Drakk.
 
Yep, back then there were no Runelords left in the North, so they all have to come from that Rhunkalbrogg.
Just worth asking, did anyone read this

as extremely concerned about Vragni basically being a youth. :V:D :rofl:
Nope. It means we can beat him over the head with our age and call him a beardling.
Three whole centuries older than him.
He's rather annoying at the moment but I want to nip that in the bud. I don't want him thrashing our legacy and achievements.
Two options are to crush him or to elevate him and gain his respect in the process.

The second option shows how our two methodologies are synergistic.... somehow.:confused:
Because he seems to be one of those ultra conservatives despite being a northern runelord.
Perhaps a co-op project?

TURN HIM TO THE DARK SIDE!
 
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