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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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Social: Choose 2 outside of Plan Vote.
[ ] [Social:] Dreng dueling the Hearth Guard in a friendly spar.
[ ] [Social:] Dolgi the Younger contemplating his future prospects.
[ ] [Social:] Tholinn being forced to endure social interaction with others.
[ ] [Social:] Dolgi gifting Ironwing and his mate new sets of armour on their anniversary.
[ ] [Social:] Nain talking to other Runesmiths about his work expanding the lift.

I'm liking the idea of Dolgi the younger and Nain. I just want to see how the next generation of runesmiths are doing, and picking Nain also includes updates on the engineering marvel. Though Tholinn being forced to socialise is also very tempting.

Myrion: Choose 1 outside of Plan Vote.
(*Updated*) [ ] [Letters:] Knowledge about Prince Laequalys of House Wilderwood [Extensive]
[ ] [Letters:] Knowledge about Avelorn [Extensive]
[ ] [Letters:] Knowledge about Cothique [Extensive]
[ ] [Letters:] Knowledge about Phoenix King Bel Shanaar [Standard]
[ ] [Letters:] Knowledge about Nagarythe [Insightful]

For me, it's a choice between Laequalys and Nagarythe. I want to see how Gimli's elf bestie is doing, but more insight regarding Malekith's home would also be good.

Grimgal wishes to join the Throng of Kraka Drakk when they march with the High King and Prince Malekith
[ ] [Grimgal:] Accept.

The only choice here is to accept our war wyrm.
 
"That's our food expenses tripling then," you mutter, watching the young Winterhearth messenger scurry off with your letter to the Farmer and Herders Guildmaster.

Let none say Snorri Klausson shamed Valaya by being a poor host.

Even if it means he shuddered and cringed at the lightness of his purse.

A part of you preens at having so many inside Khazagar's walls, two other parts bemoan the fact that many of this particular surge in attendance is solely because of Thungni's hammer and not because they saw the benefit of your work.
Lots of people coming means that Snorri needs to deal with hosting them.

There was definitely a point to be made there, it had been over two decades since you had gone through the trouble of actually getting the ball rolling only to leave it half done. It was the same with your lessons with Menlinwen if you had to be honest. Of course no one can say you weren't putting either off frivolously, nor was Rudil implying such. He and you both knew there were more than a few crisses and obligations that popped up that you had to address, too many to count to be honest.

Still.

There's a difference between leaving research undone for decades and leaving others stuck waiting for you were two entirely different things.

It has to be addressed soon though you think, if for the sake of propriety.

Snorri Klausson was not a poor host, nor should he be a poor lord and employer.
Looks like he wants to learn ore about Elf stuff and this is a big hint for it.

You have always been proud of your students' achievements.

Well, most of their achievements.

Not quite sure how Dolgi thinks that absolute abomination of a stew is worthy of praise, he even seems to revel in making it worse everytime now.

But where were you?

Ah.

Their successes were yours, and it is your hope that they shall surpass you one day. Perhaps only in some ways, and if you are lucky, even completely so. But that was true for each and every last beardling you decided to teach. You believed that they had the capability to do more than you could, that the spark of potential was there like ore in stone. Actually bringing out that potential and proving yourself correct was your job. That was the mark of a good teacher and a proper master in your eyes, to have not only elevated the standards of their craft in life, but also after it.

All of your students have proven themselves to you.
Snorri really loves his students and is proud of them.

Now Fjolla joins Snerra and Dolgi in proving that to the rest of Karaz Ankor.

It is a beautiful creation.

The ring's body was made from the bone of a Magma Wyrm, divided into four quarters with each bearing a depiction of Valaya in one of her most prominent aspects. The Ancestor's clothing and body were meticulously chiselled silver, while her visage was carved into Hearthstones.

A surprisingly hopeful and direct theme given what the ring did.

Because it lived up to its name, Guzazi zhuf, in the most terrifying way possible.
It's a really impressive creation that's proof that Fjolla is stepping onto the next level.

"War comes. We wish to test our mettle against them."

You blink, and Karstah coughs.

Suspiciously, neither of her brothers seem to react.

"You want to march with the Throng?"

She nods.

"There is a debt Elder. Zharrok/the fire/forge pays with craft, Izgrom/the copper/miner pay with treasure—"

Grim opens her maw and light coalesces within, forming a scintillating ball of Hysh before letting it fade.

"—we shall pay with their blood."

You and Karstah look at eachother.

"We cannot grow without challenge, but we are not so foolish as to go as we are," Grimgal continues, "have prepared for this extensively."
Huh the siblings want to go to war that's interesting.

- [Early 481] Vragni Silverbrand has temporarily left his workshop to declare to all Rhunki, that he has not, nor shall he ever, seek to oust those Runesmiths who disagree with his methodology from Kraka Ornsmotek. In his own words, "Unless you're Klausson himself and brazenly flaunting your rule breaking, I don't give enough of a damn what you think to go out of my way and make others harass you and yours, let alone going about it personally. So long as you shut up and use the Citadel for its intended purpose then come and go as you please. Can't stop you from being an idiot in your own damn head, or what others do about you, but know I am no hypocrite to shout at that idiot about fracturing the Guild and then going around and doing it myself."
Good to see him being reasonable even if he's talking shit.

- [Early 482] The Elves come, fey and terrible upon wings of fire and death or some such nonsense. The princeling Malekith has convinced three Elven princes and a princess, two of Caledor and two of Saphery, to aid in the slaying of the Fimir for the threat they pose. What's more, there are words that more than just Elven armies shall visit in due time. Not just here, but to the lands south of the Northtern Holds, across the Sea of Claws or so some of the Elgi traders say. The more temperate climes along the coast are being eyed as a fine prize for the taking now that the Elves have claimed all the "easy" spots to the west of their island home. Well have at it one supposes, if they want beaches and plains instead of digging into a good solid mountain that's their folly.
Huh looks like the Elves are getting more invovled.

- [Late 483] Fjolla has created something worthy of acclaim. Well she always does, as have all your students, but this is one that even the hoariest, most curmudgeonly and antagonistic Karugromthi can sniff at in approval, Guzazi Zhuf. "Magic Eater," joins the expansive collection of work meant to counter the ill intent of magic and their users against the Dawi, as one of the pre-eminent examples of the ingenuity and spite of the Runesmiths Guild. Inspired by Zharr-a-Drakhazi, or more accurately annoyed by it, Fjolla has created a tool of terrible vengeance. Where your ring burns from within, your niece's creation instead consumes from without. The chosen target's shadow shifts and morphs into a red-eyed, vaguely Dwarf shaped, thing of nightmares that claws and tries to bind its former creator in place, feasting on their magic to maintain its existence until either it is destroyed or the wizard is emptier than the alehouse after Brodag.
Fjolla's Guzazi Zhuf is impressive enough that it's earned a great amount of acclaim.

Caretaker,

This work bores me. Further I can do more good discovering riches beneath than this, and more importantly it is much more exciting. Do you know of any who would be amenable to managing my estates? I wish to return to the depths.

- A note, scrawled onto a smaller slab of stone blocking Karstah's door.
Izgrom,

Responsibility is the cost of freedom and respect is the reward of duty, but I will see what can be done. Please check and make sure someone isn't
in the room before you block it with a boulder next time.

- Karstah.
LOL seeing Karstah being a dragon mom is funny as always.

General Attendance: Steady
Mood: Overflowing
Status: Chaotic
- They are here. Every Room is taken, every hall filled. So much so that later arrivals have had to find accommodation in Khazid Okraz. Youre sure Gloin is overjoyed, but you're the one footing the food bills here.
- It is something of an open secret that young Dawi, shall do as the young tend to do when in confined spaces and among those of shared interests. Notions of romance best saved for the books you keep on the topmost shelves. Harumph! Its not your business, nor do you want it to be.
- The number of competitions have steadily been growing as the practice cements itself and something approaching a list of best practices forms. Many new patrons have come, not for the Hammer, but to scout out the Runesmiths who have and see if they can build connections.
- The trickle of Ornsmotek Runesmiths on the outs with Vragni has lessened. Vragni's response has had a few come back, if not to stay then at least visit. At least the fool's shown he actually cares about the unity of the Guild.
-- That Ornsmotek Master willing to teach you the Master Rune of Thunderstorms for the right price is still here. Especially since he knows you have the Hammer.
- A lot of reading, not a lot of writing being done in your library. If they aren't skulking about looking for the Hammer, they're looking at your books! Bah. At least they're being used.
Yeah lots of people have come due to the Hammer.

- (*New*) Master Rune of Skalla Honestheart, Teacher: Skalla Honestheart| Attendance: Rising^ | Class Size: Intimate Gathering | Ubiquity: Select | Impact: Moderate
- (*New*) Rune of Spellburning, Teacher: Skalla Honestheart| Attendance: Rising^ | Class Size: Intimate Gathering | Ubiquity: Well-Known | Impact: Moderate
Good to see this is an option.

(*Updated*) [ ] [Letters:] Knowledge about Prince Laequalys of House Wilderwood [Extensive]
We should probably ask about this guy.

(*New*)[ ] Expedition, Grungaldrin: [Cost: 3 retainer actions] Gain 1 Standing with Kraka Ornsmotek, Ornsmotek will not pull out of the war, reputation and +6 bonus to Recruitment Dice. Moderate to High Chance for Casualties/Fatalities. Will be done Turn 59. It is no secret that Ornsmotek is not so much hesitant to ask for your aid, but understandably doesn't want to yuck their resident Runelord's yums without good cause. But this? This is cause enough that not even Vragni shall complain (too much). The mines of the Hold, the lifeblood of its industry and economy, are under threat. A mysterious creature from below has risen up and began attacking innocent miners as they work, leaving naught save the dead and the dying. Fast, and terrible, and oh so brutal. It must be found, it must be slain.
Helping out with this feels very vital.

(*Updated*)[ ] [Difficult] Akazit Pt. 2: [Cost: (14 -12) = 2 actions] Master of the Odd will proc. You've bumbled your way into finding a method of reducing an item to a pile of single Wind-infused ash. But the stuff gets muddied with the ambient Winds and is rendered useless within seconds of completion, so the next step is to find a way to actually capture and isolate this Wind infused ash before it decays. Easier said than done, but when you have your eye it'll be doable at the very least.
We're so close to getting to the next level of this.

(*New*)[ ] [Simple] Sparking Shrooms: [Cost: 3 actions] Master of the Odd will proc. Dolgi's traded a hefty amount of these in exchange for teaching the Rune of Worldly Warding to his children. Strange little fungi that are semi reminiscent of Dronril. Flush with Azyr to your eye, and supposedly useful as a dye? Could be of some use to you, there's only really one way to find out.

(*New*)[ ] [Simple] Curious Crystals: [Cost: 2 actions] Master of the Odd and Soul of the Earth will proc. A strange, strange, crystal that Nain has brought to your attention in return for a few lessons. Hysh, radiates off them. Always useful, yessir. That's an auspicious thing to learn about considering your plans and research.

(*New*)[ ] [Simple] Foggy Flowers [Cost: 2 actions] Master of the Odd will proc. Fjolla had mentioned this in passing when you were discussing Guzazi zhuf and it piqued your interest. She was a bit recalcitrant to share, but a bit of poking and the price of a few extra lessons got her to finally divulge more information and a few cuttings.
Interesting materials to research.

(*Updated*)[ ] [Difficult] Extra-sensory Pt. 1: [Cost: (12 -7) =5 actions] Master of the Odd will proc. You have the very, very rudimentary ability to perceive the Winds of Magic as the Brana and Elgi do. How exhilarating it is, how infuriating, to know that so much has opened up to you with so simple a change. Imagine then perfecting it? To see truly as they do, with the full breadth and detail of it all. How much could Runecraft progress with such knowledge? A path of great reward, and perhaps even greater danger. Who's to say what effects may come of it? Still, you must try.
Breaking through to the next part for this would be a big deal.

(*Updated*)[ ] [Simple] The Secrets of Light Pt. 3a Utility: [Cost: 4 actions] Master of the Odd and Talent for Talismans will proc. The Rune of Dark Vision needs to be completed. You stumbled upon two important functions behind common structures that impact vision and light related Runes. Just what sort of opportunities can arise here are ambiguous, but you're sure others have discovered this secret before. Snerra's Rune of Piercing Sight, and Fjolla's tutelage under Lady Gemma prove it.

(*Updated*)[ ] [Simple] The Secrets of Light Pt. 3b Power: [Cost: 3 actions] Talent for Talismans will proc. You can improve the power of the Rune of Burning Light and properly complete the thing. It's easier than the other path, with all that you've learned about the Winds. Moreover, you think there's more here than just recreating the Master Rune of Zon-Dum, but doing that would also be nice too of course.

(*Updated*)[ ] [Simple] The Secrets of Storage Pt. 2: [Cost: (8 -5) = 3 actions] Master of the Odd will proc. Of course! Of course Valaya would do as she seems to have. The Rune of Storage is a proof, a showcase, an inspiration for curious minds. No, if you want to build something better it will be built from the ground up and not off Her back. Such is the implied order of the Ancestor, and so you shall abide!
These are pretty low level things that would take a minor amount of investment.

A good turn for the Karaz Ankor. Two mythical creations and a Burudin challenge met.
It's the Golden Age for a reason.

So that's an obvious prod from the QM to get "The Road to Anoqeyån" and "Training Regime Pt. 2" done.
Yeah it feels like a hint.

The Suplex!!!
Praise be to Malekith, the true Phoenix King!
The sad thing is that Malekith is currently a pretty cool person and on the side of Order and sadly enough there's not really a lot we can do to stop him from becoming worse.
 
Social: Choose 2 outside of Plan Vote.
[ ] [Social:] Dreng dueling the Hearth Guard in a friendly spar.
[ ] [Social:] Dolgi the Younger contemplating his future prospects.
[ ] [Social:] Tholinn being forced to endure social interaction with others.
[ ] [Social:] Dolgi gifting Ironwing and his mate new sets of armour on their anniversary.
[ ] [Social:] Nain talking to other Runesmiths about his work expanding the lift.

I'm liking the idea of Dolgi the younger and Nain. I just want to see how the next generation of runesmiths are doing, and picking Nain also includes updates on the engineering marvel. Though Tholinn being forced to socialise is also very tempting.

[ ] [Social:] Dreng dueling the Hearth Guard in a friendly spar.

I really want to do a social action with Dreng since forever. We have skipped over every single social interaction with him so far and i am hoping this turn is the turn. We are talking about someone who was in the retinue of a rune lord older than us. Dreng himself is over double our age! so hopefully this turn is the turn.
 
The sad thing is that Malekith is currently a pretty cool person and on the side of Order and sadly enough there's not really a lot we can do to stop him from becoming worse.
I forget who mentioned this but compress Dawi and give an amulet of MDawi to Malekith. Laugh as the artifact he found bounces off the mental defenses of a combo based on willpower being worn by one of the strongest willed people in the setting.

[ ] [Social:] Dreng dueling the Hearth Guard in a friendly spar.

I really want to do a social action with Dreng since forever. We have skipped over every single social interaction with him so far and i am hoping this turn is the turn. We are talking about someone who was in the retinue of a rune lord older than us. Dreng himself is over double our age! so hopefully this turn is the turn.
I kinda want to do Dolgi because we still need to shake Talismanic featherweight out of him. I also want to pick the younger runesmiths to see what they're up to. For the elf letters I'm split between legolas and Bel Shannar. We've not heard much about the former in a while and never about the latter.
 
Minor aside folks, Im gonna push the vote unlock back a day. Forgot about the mini vote for Skaudadrengi.

This is what happens when your ceiling leaks!

Anyway sorry for the delay. Ill post the little blurb independently, but put the main vote in Turn 58 too.

So sorry!
 
I have a proposal to finally complete the renown for the entire north.

The proposal consists of creating a weapon and armor. For each king and his respective heir. Obviously made of adamant and the best possible runes.

In this way we will consolidate our reputation as a known throughout the north and perhaps throughout the entire dwarven world. In addition, these weapons and armor will be more than helpful in the current war.
 
I have a proposal to finally complete the renown for the entire north.

The proposal consists of creating a weapon and armor. For each king and his respective heir. Obviously made of adamant and the best possible runes.

In this way we will consolidate our reputation as a known throughout the north and perhaps throughout the entire dwarven world. In addition, these weapons and armor will be more than helpful in the current war.
I mean, that's a great idea and all... but there's the neccesary step of actually needing to design each of them individually. And then building them. That sounds ( to me at least, could be wrong ) as far in excess of 5 AP. And it's not like Snorri isn't well known throughout the entire north; He's already one of the oldest Runelords in the north. He's responsible ( in the eyes of many ) for the Prosthetic runes and the chainforgers that makes working gromril chain into a possibility for any smith can afford the cost of having an apprentice Runesmith to lay the runes.

You can certainly make a plan that involves this task, but doesn't sound like a small ask to convince people to vote for it.
 
Alric's Challenge
Create a method of reliable, quick and secure communication as possible. Reveal and gain 1 Standing with Alric Thungnisson, Angkra Twenty-loops, and Karaz-a-Karak
As a consequence of his frequent discussions with his venerable uncle, the mighty and wise Snorri Whitebeard, Alric has offered a prompt for any that wish to take it up. A way for messages to be shared across the realms faster than any Runebearer, safer than any road and as reliable as a Master Crafted axe. Such is the sort of goal, the sort of problem a proper Runelord should set their sights upon he reckons, anything less is beneath them.

Now this is quite interesting, Snorri now has the rune's for senses, the proclivity for making things that are replicable, not to mention it would be great for the Dawi. Something akin to a telegram combined with a switchboard, runes of sound and speaking? Transmission would theoretically be simple with wire.

-[] Retainers & Orders
--[] Expedition, Grungaldrin [1 Retainer + Industry of the North]
--[] Order: T4 Elder Storm Wyrm's Brain
--[] Royal Authority Order: T4 Cockatrice's Eye [-15 Kraka Grom Favor]
--[] Royal Authority Order: T4 Elder Wyrm's Blood x7 [-105 Kraka Grom Favor]
---[] Royal Expedite [-105 Karak Ungor Favor]
---[] Royal Expedite x2 [-45 Kraka Grom Favor, -30 Karak Ungor Favor, -30 Kraka Drakk Favor]
--[] Royal Authority Order: T4 Lightning Oriented upgrade to Stonehorn Horns [-15 Kraka Krum Favor]

I'm a pretty big fan of that plan but dumping that much Favor? Favor in my eyes is something to not be spent all at once, it is a resource that we have been leaning on quite heavily but I do think it is time to pull back. We've hit the point of using them like candy and at some point it is time to slow down. Especially considering we have been leaning pretty heavily into the Royal method and we are down from a high of somewhere around 500 to under 100 for nearly all the holds of the North.

Honestly this might be a bit of a question/idk for @soulcake but favor's go both ways right? I can't think of a better way to phrase it, we earned quite a bit from early actions but the way it's been being spent is making me a bit nervous about it. I think it might be because I am viewing it very literally as banked goodwill. Eventually it becomes "gods can't this guy get his life together?"

Not to mention how are we supposed to be a curmudgeonly Elder who can send entire holds into a tizzy with a sniff without holding something over the youngster's heads?
 
Honestly this might be a bit of a question/idk for @soulcake but favor's go both ways right? I can't think of a better way to phrase it, we earned quite a bit from early actions but the way it's been being spent is making me a bit nervous about it. I think it might be because I am viewing it very literally as banked goodwill. Eventually it becomes "gods can't this guy get his life together?"
It does go both ways, but its more that you can go into negative favours and then once you're in the negatives you're basically waiting for the other shoe to drop and can't get it completely out of your mind. A constant, gnawing itch you cannot scratch until someone else says you can finally scratch it. Always there, always bothering you. Its almost even memetic and inheritable, because if you die without scratching that itch then your family take on that debt and that itch starts to affect them to. Over and over, generation after generation.

Anyway this isn't gonna make them think "jeez this guy," this is gonna make them think, "oh thank fucking god I'm free."

#Culture #Dwarfs
 
Is this grudge-worthy? He has made this beyond a private matter and made a very outrageous and public claim. He's toeing the line. Is there any way we can fucking humble this guy?

I'm fine with dissent and all but the disrespect from him is getting to me.
To humble him
Snorri: "You're welcome to come learn and teach here you wazzok.
You have proven yourself worthy even if you fill your durn head with such unworthy thoughts."

Either he decides to act like he's scared or insulted.
Or he comes over and acts yandere.

Might be the start of a friendly rivalry.
Could work especially since he hasn't once said anything bad about the Rhunversity.

And if we could overturn our greatest dissenting voice. We could get some actual work done.|
Wouldn't hold my breath for collabs tho.


And when he sees the finished SUPER Dragon Gronti.
He then can't even make an excuse to try to one up it because karstah isn't Snorri.
And if he tasks his TEAM OF STUDENTS to make one?
Well. He might accidentally bankrupt himself.
 
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[Semi Canon] Wizardly Argumentation, generally reflects attitudes of both sides, x3 +15 to a Roll
Wizardly Argumentation

Chrace and Cothique have dominated the Norscan trade; and through the Norscan trade, contact with the Dawi and by proxy of the Dawi, the Brana, those strange, intelligent griffins. That's not to say nothing comes to the other Kingdoms, to Ulthuan as a whole, but it is a slow thing, in particular magic for the Mages of Cothique and Chrace alike greedily drink up what lore they can, their hunger for knowledge, for wisdom like a great maw, ever hungry for more, insatiable at the best of times. The scraps, already worked over, slowly filter their way through the other Kingdoms, examined by those mages. The different grasps of magic they hold, ten Kingdoms slowly cohering, they can catch on snag on different portions of what comes to them.

"What in the world are you talking about?"

And it seems one of those self-same mages sees something he is unenthused by.

"Stormcallers is right. Elementalists..."

Very unenthused indeed.

Aesaith Starsong of Nagaryth is a man of standards, after all. Veteran of the Great Catastrophe, his was a subtle but terrible work against the minds beastly that, shrouded in Ulgu, had casted themselves against his home: arrogant and sure they were, as was so often the curse of Ulgu, that their machinations were beyond all sight.

And what was beyond the sight of the stars and their light? What beyond the bright sun shining?

What beyond the sight of birds?

Very little indeed.

Not, mind you, that he had shied away from using Ulgu to strangle those same beasts on occasion.

But Azyr...Azyr was a Wind of grace and subtlety and foresight. The Heavens. Not simply cracking cloud and raking skyfire! Subtler, wiser motions, that allowed the stroke of a pen to destroy an army just as easily as some half-hearted shaman tossing about lightning and ice like a rank amateur.

Besides, dropping falling stars was much more effective and much harder to ignore.

And yet this Stormcaller, this Skyfire, all but fawned over such cheap conjuring, like some nascent Hekartite bloviating over "the song they sing" and "wild hearts" and so much worship of raw, naked strength, ignoring that strength without conscience was nothing but a nightmare. Bullies at best, monsters at worst.

There was a reason noble Ulthuan sought to constrain the followers of Hekarti, for all they would not move against Her. He could intellectually acknowledge, of course, that She had Her place, that there were reasons not anger Her in even the most peaceful and honest heart. Her cruel whim could sabotage Archmages better than he was.

But to kneel to Her, it was to kneel to what was worst in magic and its practitioners. Arrogance, ego-centrism, sadism, the love of knowledge untempered by the need to put that knowledge to good, productive use. Power hungry, politicking, domineering.

In short, a path to nothing less than Dhar. To endless war, and endless suffering, and slavery and subjugation to those who ought to know better, to be better, to set a better standard for all.

Nothing else for it: time to speak to this Griffin as he would any colleague.
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"What the hell are you talking about?"

The Brana have not been slow, themselves, in acquiring the Lore of the Elves to further refine their own magic. Whether it be their tomes on the Winds, Grimoires containing spells, training manuals, anything, they will take it. They drink it down, for many reasons: natural curiosity, of course. A desire to be better at their jobs. And to a certain extent, a desire to more or less catch up to their allies, the Dwarfs. Their mysticism has existed for millennia, their Runecraft refined for thousands of years. In comparison, the Brana have existed for a paltry handful of centuries and, for all they punch far above their weight class, the signs are there. Getting to develop their magic, it is important.

And so they trade with Cothiquian Storm Weavers and Caledorian Priests and Chracian Beastwalkers, the Stormcallers and Silverbound and Bloodhunters looking for wisdom from an elder people.

"Bunch of cardsharks, soothesayers and ne'er-do-wells!"

But wisdom, much like beauty, may lie in the eye of the beholder.

The One Who Spits Brightest Fire From the Skies, or Skyfire to the Dawi, grinds his sharp claws into the stone of his home as he examines the oversized tome.

This Aesaith Starsong is diffident and airy at best, a slothful coward at worst. "Mystic Azyr, more like good-for-nothings!"

Magic was meant to be used, to face great evils, to turn aside the worst of harm. He had not survived the Great Catastrophe by prognosticating in his tower, examining the stars for portents and speaking to birds! He had wreathed his wings in lightning and summoned thunder in his voice and split flesh with claws covered in arcing menace!

And here this Elgi was, droning on and on about responsibility! And where was his? In a tower, as daemons swarmed the land? As Beastmen, cloaked in shadow, walked the land and only the heights, only a bird's eye view, allowed one to see through the deception and to take decisive action, to break their will with the call of thunder and and the hiss of ice.

Anything less than confronting that is an abrogation of duty.

Foresight is all well and good, unless it means you do nothing for fear of the flowing futures that fly by you! What is what is to come in the face of what is certain, what is now? That's the only thing that accounts in truth, all else being mere hot air as the case may be. The future is nothing more than a building series of now, and much like a house of bricks one hardly needed magic to see the foundation, just a good eye and even the slightest ability to extrapolate!

And what of the youth! Always prone to oddity, what if they adopted the diffident ways of this idler and his mysticism?

No, clearly that could not be allowed to come to pass!

So Skyfire pressed his claw against the stone, preparing to carve the Klinkarhun...
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Beware the Elements!

...Action is all well and good, but to act without consideration or foresight is the act of dread Hekarti. Azyr, most of all, must turn its mind towards the repurcussions of its actions, and work with grace and care. A little bird speech can go much farther than any lightning bolt. There are those, among them Eltharia the Lightningbringer, Yolan the Cold, and Skyfire among the Brana who forget this; but to their own peril! You lose sight of the responsibility of Azyr, and place yourself at risk of being nothing more than any mere sword swinger when you do. The Winds, turned to the same end as a heavy rock tossed by some strong man: it is abjuration of wisdom, and wisdom is the path of any true wizard! Look to the stars and not merely to the ever shifting clouds, which blind you to higher mystery in the crack of thunder and the spitting of lightning. Look to Hoeth's constellation for guidance my friends, and away from that which would bind you solely to this world...
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Diffident Sloth.

...Action is required! Magic is a tool, meant to be used, not merely to be fawned over as a lover might be! Those who cling too deeply to the mysticism of our Wind, of the Sapphire, they lose sight of that responsibility, ironically even as they themselves speak of responsibility. Among them I name Aesaith Starsong among the Elgi, and among the Brana proper I name and shame Starbringer and Smokelover for their prognosticating. Good sense can allow one to know the future, good sense and a basic understanding of cause and effect: but only we can shape the storm, only we can see through the lies of Quicksilver, only we may bring such devestation short of proper warmachines. This mysticism you study from among the Elgi, it is nothing more than an attempt to brew sloth in you, sloth, idleness, and a corrupted youth...
 
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I think both Elf and Brana have good points, though this is more a case of the two of them talking past one another. Possibly a bit of the Elf moreso than the Brana, because the Brana acknowledge that the Elves know more, and they are doing their best to learn.
 
I think both Elf and Brana have good points, though this is more a case of the two of them talking past one another. Possibly a bit of the Elf moreso than the Brana, because the Brana acknowledge that the Elves know more, and they are doing their best to learn.
While I am mildly on the Elf's side, because look at my avatar, at worst they're both meant to be assholes, at best they're both meant to have a point.

So I guess what I'm saying is, this was not unintentional on my part.
 
So, to do our proper duty of easing the burdens on our fellow Dawi, we need to make sure we spend all of our favour and not a drop more. We will make sure the entire Karaz Ankor ends up completely favour neutral towards each other. As is proper.
And when he sees the finished SUPER Dragon Gronti.
He then can't even make an excuse to try to one up it because karstah isn't Snorri.
And if he tasks his TEAM OF STUDENTS to make one?
Well. He might accidentally bankrupt himself.
That would be even worse, because then he needs an entire team to do what Karstah managed alone, which would just tell everyone else that Snorri is simply a better student.
 
can we please put some effort into part 2 of learning elfish or whatever?
also not no real issue with sending the drakes of too war. might convuse the elves thou.
Considering how prideful the Elgi are about riding their dragons, it might give them a conniption to see us do something similar. On the other hand, they might see us letting the Drak do what they want was just good sense, "Dragon said it wants to do something, you'd best not stand in it's way." kind of thing.


On the topic of the vote, we really should take this chance to knock off the outstanding things we've left hanging before monofocusing on the Big Boi.
 
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It does go both ways, but its more that you can go into negative favours and then once you're in the negatives you're basically waiting for the other shoe to drop and can't get it completely out of your mind. A constant, gnawing itch you cannot scratch until someone else says you can finally scratch it. Always there, always bothering you. Its almost even memetic and inheritable, because if you die without scratching that itch then your family take on that debt and that itch starts to affect them to. Over and over, generation after generation.
Aka what we've been doing to all the Karaks of the north, for centuries trololo
 
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