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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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UlseDovThur said:
I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't work.
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The process of making Adamant out of gromril involves a lot of heat/pressure from MPurification, which is not really conducive to keeping fine structure intact. You'd get Adamant out the other side, but not really in nice and neat wire so much as a tangled snarl where individual links/segments fused with each other.
 
me.me.here said:
The process of making Adamant out of gromril involves a lot of heat/pressure from MPurification, which is not really conducive to keeping fine structure intact. You'd get Adamant out the other side, but not really in nice and neat wire so much as a tangled snarl where individual links/segments fused with each other.
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Heat, yes. Not sure where you're getting pressure from though. Moreover the Adamant retains its shape as a bar when it comes out of the smelter so even if what's inside becomes molten it still retains its shape. If that is the case then if you were to lay the wire in a back and forth or a spiral pattern on the bottom of the smelters chamber and make sure none of wire is touching you should get Adamant Wire.

You won't get very much though.
 
You'll get higher pressure with heat because of ... Some English dudes law, since the smelter will be a constant volume. Also I'm not sure it's a 1 to 1 conversion, since in turn 12 when we make our first adamant bar it seems to say that the bar directly converts, before the rune explodes and we find our bar in a pool of liquid metal. I'm not sure if the liquid metal is extra pure Gromril or just stuff from the testing stage, but if the former it would not bide well to converting a Gromril chainmail shirt, since you'll lose material and possibly shrink the shirt.
 
UlseDovThur said:
Heat, yes. Not sure where you're getting pressure from though. Moreover the Adamant retains its shape as a bar when it comes out of the smelter so even if what's inside becomes molten it still retains its shape. If that is the case then if you were to lay the wire in a back and forth or a spiral pattern on the bottom of the smelters chamber and make sure none of wire is touching you should get Adamant Wire.

You won't get very much though.
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I'm hedging because I don't have a cite and don't feel like digging one up this late- it might be I'm mixing up the magic getting pushed around with physical effects. Regardless, small batches of wire really aren't something Snorri would be satisfied with (see his refusal to accept just banging out standard gromril wire on his knee with Zharrgal and Barak Azamar) so even if it would technically work it's probably not the right path to go down.
 
SoHowAreYou said:
You'll get higher pressure with heat because of ... Some English dudes law, since the smelter will be a constant volume. Also I'm not sure it's a 1 to 1 conversion, since in turn 12 when we make our first adamant bar it seems to say that the bar directly converts, before the rune explodes and we find our bar in a pool of liquid metal. I'm not sure if the liquid metal is extra pure Gromril or just stuff from the testing stage, but if the former it would not bide well to converting a Gromril chainmail shirt, since you'll lose material and possibly shrink the shirt.
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The heat is just a side effect of the taint being purged from the Gromril, it's not the actual process by which it is purified. I'm also talking about just the wire, not a completed shirt.

And that first smelter destroyed itself because the MPurification wasn't functioning properly as it used obsidian instead of Voidstone, not because the smelter was improperly made. The liquid metal was the remains of the smelter itself.
 
acerak said:
Wait, the process is exothermic? That's weird.
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Gromril is simply Adamant that has been corrupted by being in the vicinity of Warpstone for too long. What we're doing isn't improving the Gromril by adding anything, like adding carbon to iron to make steel, but rather restoring it to its proper and original state by purging the corruption.
 
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OzymandiasAgain said:
When I first saw it, it was like the entire 'taint' in there was converted to heat in an incredible ratio. Don't know if that is true.

If we could developed a slow acting variant, that didn't consume Obsidian, or Elder Dragon Blood, we could have a steam engine early?
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I made a post a few days ago about doing something like this with warpstone. Slowly purge the taint from the warpstone, and produce a mass of heat.
We could then use that heat to warm the Karak.
It'd be another sort of green energy :V
 
Hey lads I was just wondering about one thing that has been bugging me for a few hours now...I guess it's not really important but whatever!

What kind of music would be played in the Funeral of King Otrek the Adamant Wyrm? Because I'm guessing that it would be somewhat like this one?

 
tri2 said:
I am talking about making a new banner that repurposes the magic into something else, not the shield aegis banner, and keep the warp from just receiving the excess magic back.
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We don't want it repurposed we want it gone. Even setting aside that its probably not a reaction that follows the laws of thermodynamics, which opens up a huge amount of strange questions like, if we can change soulstuff into kinetic energy can we reverse that to make souls?
Even if I grant you your assumption, thermodynamically there will always be waste and inefficiency so its still a worse idea than just pouring it into the hole like they're currently doing.
acerak said:
Wait, the process is exothermic? That's weird.
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Despite what the others are say I'm not certain.
They are correct about the taint, however the heat could be a lot of different things; it could be the process that is used to burn out the taint, or waste energy from the rune, as well as their suggestions.
Hopefully the understand action will clarify.
OzymandiasAgain said:
So Dhar Poisoning and all are metaphysical rather than physical?
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Correct. Its literally an affliction of the soul.
 
There's a theory that warpstone is effectively solidified dhar, given all its known properties and those of dhar, and that it tends to form in areas where magic congeals for extremely long periods like a stopped waystone.
 
Byzantine said:
There's a theory that warpstone is effectively solidified dhar, given all its known properties and those of dhar, and that it tends to form in areas where magic congeals for extremely long periods like a stopped waystone.
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To what extent is this based on divided loyalties and the AV research?
E: Thanks guys, I knew it was my head canon but didn't know it was reliably quest canon. :D
 
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SuperSonicSound said:
Zero percent. It's from GW source material, warpstone is congealed dhar, waystones that have been blocked form warpstone over time. Taken from RPG realms of sorcery and novels iirc.

it's not a 'theory' at all.
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My understanding is it never outright says warpstone is congealed dhar, but it 'just happens' to form in the same areas that large amounts of dhar has been sitting for long periods of time. Which makes it being dhar kinda obvious, unless dhar is attracting it somehow?
 
Dark as Silver said:
To what extent is this based on divided loyalties and the AV research?
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To give an exact quote:
Whilst there are some naturally occurring areas that lead to the
combination and stagnation of magic into True Dhar, these
areas tend to be flukes and are generally temporary, lasting
anywhere from just a couple years to a couple of centuries.
However, if a Henge can be corrupted, magic continues to flow
into it indefinitely, never leaving unless actively drawn out by
a spellcaster. This would mean that the Henge would have an
ever-growing and ever more stagnant and destructive supply of
Dhar, killing all life within proximity to the Henge and perhaps
even coalescing slowly over the millennia into Warpstone.
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So it is pretty heavily implied, but not fully outright stated. It might not be Dhar, but another quote from RoS says, that it is "solidified magic of all colours", so pretty much Dhar.
 
So, if I understand this correctly, shouldn't more Warp stone appear the further North/South one gets?
 
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