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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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tri2 said:
I am talking about making a new banner that repurposes the magic into something else, not the shield aegis banner, and keep the warp from just receiving the excess magic back.
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I don't think that would work simply because of the immense amounts of energy it would have to control. No one item, no matter how powerful, would ever be capable of containing or make use of the full power of the Warp. There's a reason the Vorgex just Yeets the energy straight back into the warp, it's because to do anything else would simply be asking too much.
 
UlseDovThur said:
I don't think that would work simply because of the immense amounts of energy it would have to control. No one item, no matter how powerful, would ever be capable of containing or make use of the full power of the Warp. There's a reason the Vorgex just Yeets the energy straight back into the warp, it's because to do anything else would simply be asking too much.
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could try using multiple banners till input equals output?
 
tri2 said:
could try using multiple banners till input equals output?
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No, let me rephrase. There is no controlling the full might and power of the Warp. What you're asking is for something that could restrain the full might of the immaterial, something not even the Old Ones and their polar gates could truly accomplish indefinitely. It's simply not a thing that's possible.

Even the Vortex is a miracle of miracles and it just feeds the winds back into the warp. And even that would have been insufficient without Grimnir holding the line.
 
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UlseDovThur said:
No, let me rephrase. There is no controlling the full might and power of the Warp. What you're asking is for something that could restrain the full might of the immaterial, something not even the Old Ones and their polar gates could truly accomplish indefinitely. It's simply not a thing that's possible.

Even the Vortex is a miracle of miracles and it just feeds the winds back into the warp. And even that would have been insufficient without Grimnir holding the line.
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I am not trying to coral it but use it up, the broken polar warp gate meant no more controlled winds and excess winds blowing while the vortex acts like a vacuum cleaner with the warp gate being the hole in the bag.

what happens to the warp energy the runes take in and convert to things like kinetic energy and flames? it does not go back to being warp energy and return to the world right?

so what I am asking is, is it possible to make enough warp/wind hogging runic artifacts to lower the amount of winds of magic in the world and reduce the amount actually going back into the warp?

I can't even remember if the energy in the warp is infinite or not since I remember it has to be generated by living beings.
 
tri2 said:
I am not trying to coral it but use it up, the broken polar warp gate meant no more controlled winds and excess winds blowing while the vortex acts like a vacuum cleaner with the warp gate being the hole in the bag.

what happens to the warp energy the runes take in and convert to things like kinetic energy and flames? it does not go back to being warp energy and return to the world right?

so what I am asking is, is it possible to make enough warp/wind hogging runic artifacts to lower the amount of winds of magic in the world and reduce the amount actually going back into the warp?

I can't even remember if the energy in the warp is infinite or not since I remember it has to be generated by living beings.
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No. No no no no. Fuck no. While Chaos may exist in the Warp they're still just a facet of it. If you destroy the Warp you kill anything with a Soul. It would be the equivalent, no not even the equivalent it is the removal of one of the Fundemental forces of the universe. It would be like removing Gravity as a concept or electromagnetic interactions.
 
UlseDovThur said:
No. No no no no. Fuck no. While Chaos may exist in the Warp they're still just a facet of it. If you destroy the Warp you kill anything with a Soul. It would be the equivalent, no not even the equivalent it is the removal of one of the Fundemental forces of the universe. It would be like removing Gravity as a concept or electromagnetic interactions.
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Hey, if we got rid of the strong nuclear force, all our enemies would die instantly! I say we work to do so at once.
 
Burned_Cookie said:
Hey, if we got rid of the strong nuclear force, all our enemies would die instantly! I say we work to do so at once.
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Well, for one, the entirety of the planet explodes violently.

For two, I don't think Snorri even knows the word Nuclear, or the concept of the Strong Nuclear Force.

For three, the entirety of the planet explodes violently.

Four, THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLANET EXPLODES VIOLENTLY.
 
ArchAIngel said:
Well, for one, the entirety of the planet explodes violently.

For two, I don't think Snorri even knows the word Nuclear, or the concept of the Strong Nuclear Force.

For three, the entirety of the planet explodes violently.

Four, THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLANET EXPLODES VIOLENTLY.
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We would have one surviving unit on the battlefield, the adamant grmnir gronti, I see this as a win. :V

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Czes said:
Let's just jump over this hypothetical scenario and just agree to not mess with the Vortex and the Waystones. To answer your purely academic question: The excess magic of the world does not get stuffed into some alternate dimension, but rather stays on the planet. The ever increasing amounts of magical energy cause the the barriers between reality and the Chaos Realm to progressively fade, allowing demons to manifest more easily and without rituals and sacrifices.
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Umm, we almost certainly are going to be messing with the Waystones eventually, since in canon that the dwarfs collaborated with the elves to spread the network and used Runes to make them better at their job. When that starts to get going, Snorri will be one of the people they call due to his actions, ability, and authority over the North.
 
Ternasta said:
Umm, we almost certainly are going to be messing with the Waystones eventually, since in canon that the dwarfs collaborated with the elves to spread the network and used Runes to make them better at their job. When that starts to get going, Snorri will be one of the people they call due to his actions, ability, and authority over the North.
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Also, you know, him being able to vomit up a frankly unfair amount of Runic kit. And that we need a LOT of Waystones.

I'd expect a hypothetical Waystone Project to work like the Underway, where we can fill up a Meter that partly fills every turn. Might even be a good way to flex on ze Elves.
 
ArchAIngel said:
Also, you know, him being able to vomit up a frankly unfair amount of Runic kit. And that we need a LOT of Waystones.

I'd expect a hypothetical Waystone Project to work like the Underway, where we can fill up a Meter that partly fills every turn. Might even be a good way to flex on ze Elves.
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Hopefully we could also improve on network in some way/ make it bigger cause otl it was mostly confined to old world, Karak Ankor and ulthan but now with 1/3 of norsca under definite control of dwarves plus another third under colonization and with the entire darklands under control of dwarves / about to be filled with dwarves in coming colonization who knows how much bigger it could get in this timeline
 
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So, back on the topic of Snorri's kit. I would like to replace the cloak with this. MPurification, Daemon Slaying (Adamant/Voidstone), Gazul. This Cloak will allow for the True Death of Daemons that are slain by conventional means along with the cleansing of any corrupted souls that pass on in its Aoe.

The reason I would prefer a True Killing Cloak/Banner instead of a weapon is that the only daemons that will true die to the weapon are those slain by it directly. A Cloak/Banner however, while it can't slay them itself will make any daemon that dies normally stay dead so any deaths within its radius which will account for more than any weapon.

The main idea is that it will function as our current cloak does and provide a bonus against Daemons in combat. MPurification plus a super charged Rune of Daemon Slaying will ensure it will damage anything daemonic within its radius and should any daemon die in its Aoe its essence will be cleansed by MPurification guided by the intent of Daemon Slaying to destroy the daemonic and Gazul to make sure it stays dead. It will also allow for the cleansing of tainted souls via MPurification burning away the taint and guided by the Rune of Gazul to allow them a peaceful rest.

Another reason for choosing a Cloak is this;
- Chaosbane: Your deeds and your works, your banner especially, are the bane of the chaotic. Your works will burn the flesh of beastmen and daemon, driving fear and terror into the minds of the former as well.
 
MrHobbit said:
Huh, I think that would work. What sort of reagents would you propose for it? I'd honestly like to make this.

Although I'm tempted to wait until we can make T5 Gromril. :V
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To be honest, I kinda roll my eyes at a lot of the cascading 'let's get [x] done & wait & plan & wait & plan & wait' items, particularly of the T5 gromril variety because they're such hopelessly optimistic longshots that probably have a 1% chance of actually happening.

This one though, this one speaks to me.

One T5 Gromril used for structural amulet material and one T5 Gromril used as a Master Rune reagent on a bitching deep magic enhancer/winds denial combo?

I am ALL about this. Sign me up to the shadow cabal or whatever.
 
Mr8 said:
To be honest, I kinda roll my eyes at a lot of the cascading 'let's get [x] done & wait & plan & wait & plan & wait' items, particularly of the T5 gromril variety because they're such hopelessly optimistic longshots that probably have a 1% chance of actually happening.

This one though, this one speaks to me.

One T5 Gromril used for structural amulet material and one T5 Gromril used as a Master Rune reagent on a bitching deep magic enhancer/winds denial combo?

I am ALL about this. Sign me up to the shadow cabal or whatever.
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Aight, time to invent Tier 6 gromril for further waiting!

Hm, we'll probably need to invent Tier 6 reagents for that to happen though. :thonk:
 
Mr8 said:
To be honest, I kinda roll my eyes at a lot of the cascading 'let's get [x] done & wait & plan & wait & plan & wait' items, particularly of the T5 gromril variety because they're such hopelessly optimistic longshots that probably have a 1% chance of actually happening.

This one though, this one speaks to me.

One T5 Gromril used for structural amulet material and one T5 Gromril used as a Master Rune reagent on a bitching deep magic enhancer/winds denial combo?

I am ALL about this. Sign me up to the shadow cabal or whatever.
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Welcome to the club, I am the head.
 
UlseDovThur said:
So, back on the topic of Snorri's kit. I would like to replace the cloak with this. MPurification, Daemon Slaying (Adamant/Voidstone), Gazul. This Cloak will allow for the True Death of Daemons that are slain by conventional means along with the cleansing of any corrupted souls that pass on in its Aoe.

The reason I would prefer a True Killing Cloak/Banner instead of a weapon is that the only daemons that will true die to the weapon are those slain by it directly. A Cloak/Banner however, while it can't slay them itself will make any daemon that dies normally stay dead so any deaths within its radius which will account for more than any weapon.

The main idea is that it will function as our current cloak does and provide a bonus against Daemons in combat. MPurification plus a super charged Rune of Daemon Slaying will ensure it will damage anything daemonic within its radius and should any daemon die in its Aoe its essence will be cleansed by MPurification guided by the intent of Daemon Slaying to destroy the daemonic and Gazul to make sure it stays dead. It will also allow for the cleansing of tainted souls via MPurification burning away the taint and guided by the Rune of Gazul to allow them a peaceful rest.

Another reason for choosing a Cloak is this;
- Chaosbane: Your deeds and your works, your banner especially, are the bane of the chaotic. Your works will burn the flesh of beastmen and daemon, driving fear and terror into the minds of the former as well.
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I personally don't think it'll True Kill Demons (I don't think we have the runic basis to achieve that effect yet), but it will certainly be fantastic at demonic multi-kills and if it combos might provide the basis for a True Death rune later down the line. Making it would definitely be interesting.
 
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BungieONI said:
I personally don't think it'll kill True Demons (I don't think we have the runic basis to achieve that effect yet), but it will certainly be fantastic at demonic multi-kills and if it combos might provide the basis for a True Death rune later down the line.
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Hmm, I feel I should elaborate. The True Kill happens just after the Daemon is slain by conventional means. Specifically it targets them when they are in the inbetween state where they were just slain and are in the process of returning to the warp when they are unformed and, at least for that moment, dispersed as just raw warp stuff before they can reform in the warp.

In my head at least this means they can't resist anywhere near as effectively as they would otherwise be able too.
 
UlseDovThur said:
Hmm, I feel I should elaborate. The True Kill happens just after the Daemon is slain by conventional means. Specifically it targets them when they are in the inbetween state where they were just slain and are in the process of returning to the warp when they are unformed and, at least for that moment, dispersed as just raw warp stuff before they can reform in the warp.

In my head at least this means they can't resist anywhere near as effectively as they would otherwise be able too.
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I mean *shrug*

Personally I don't think it gets that detailed, nor that basing it off the timing/order of operations would be more than a fluff explanation. At the raw mechanical level I don't think we have the runes to do what you want, but we do have the runes to start getting there. In which case if we make it and it doesn't turn out to True Kill them, then that's fine, it just means we can poke it till we find the way there now that we've started.

E: If it turns out it does I'm happily wrong and we can just move on. I don't think whether it does or not has much bearing on its value as a piece.
 
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...I just had a minor brain blast on the Chainforger.

So, 3b mentions that we're gonna make MR Forgeflame into R Forgeflame, right? Just hammer it into shape? And it uses MR, to be R, Forgeflame, and Annealing?

What if. What if we apply R Forgeflame, post 3b, Annealing, and MR Purification?

To make Adamantium Chainmail? We've had a lot of speculation on how to do it, but this one seems like a perfect combo. Certainly one worthy of testing once we learn how MR Purification works.
 
I sincerely doubt it'll work like that, not when it takes a decade to make a single bar.
 
TempestK said:
I sincerely doubt it'll work like that, not when it takes a decade to make a single bar.
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Well, it takes a decade to gather the needed energy, the actual process is about a minute. But yeah, doubt it could work like that.

Personally I still think the best idea is to put Gromril Wire into the smelter. I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't work.
 
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