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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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So the difference is that it causes fear in enemies, and has a very nasty alpha strike in that it targets vitals. Betting that's Grimnirzan and the Stonehorn respectively.
 
+60 favour with the Valayans
+100 Favour with Ravensvake +1 Standing with the king & queen +2 Standing with the princess

I'm not seeing any other changes on the standing page.

Edit: Worth noting the base valayan favour from the retainer action was +50 so we probably rolled well but not incredibly there.
 
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Jreengus said:
+60 favour with the Valayans
+100 Favour with Ravensvake +1 Standing with the king & queen +2 Standing with the princess

I'm not seeing any other changes on the standing page.
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Enough favor with Ravensvake to buy all the almanacs when combined with a retainer action this coming turn and to still have enough leftover for a proper tutor as expected then. In other news, our standing with the far north continues to be absolutely ridiculous I swear at this rate we aren't more than a century or so off reaching standing ten with the entire north.

Edit: Also I'm happy to see that the belt was another legendary tier creation.
 
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Jreengus said:
+60 favour with the Valayans
+100 Favour with Ravensvake +1 Standing with the king & queen +2 Standing with the princess

I'm not seeing any other changes on the standing page.
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The Valaya action appears to have gone pretty well. Higher favour than baseline, but not a lot higher. I'm gonna guess we rolled around an 80 including bonuses.
 
I'd say we should go all in on buying Alchemy books next turn as you never know what could happen to disrupt the supply in future. Better to have them all where they may sit on the shelf for a few years than to line up a turn to do it all at once and find that a temporary blockage of trade messes it up.
 
Jreengus said:
+60 favour with the Valayans
+100 Favour with Ravensvake +1 Standing with the king & queen +2 Standing with the princess

I'm not seeing any other changes on the standing page.

Edit: Worth noting the base valayan favour from the retainer action was +50 so we probably rolled well but not incredibly there.
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And we still don't have standing 10 with Ravnsvake, even with all that
 
Tomcost said:
And we still don't have standing 10 with Ravnsvake, even with all that
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Not unsurprising considering the requirements to gain an increase in standing increase exponentially so going from zero to one is much, much, much easier than going from nine to ten plus keep in mind ten standing is one step below an ancestor god so ya standing ten is ridiculous. We're also talking about Dwarfs here who are notoriously stubborn to the point where we only expect figuring out mass-producible gromril chain to give us +1 (+2 after 3B?) standing when prior to this it was a feat literally confined to the gods.
 
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Skrundaz Idea: Rune of Grungni (Oathgold), Rune of Cleaving, Rune of Impact
The saga of Grungni, of how He started from a lowly miner of Karak Zorn, to His ascension as Rik a Karaz Ankor, is one of the first of many tales told to all children.
@soulcake, is this idea feasible / viable? As in, the fluff thing, not the Runes thing.
 
It is, in a word, completely impractical to gain Standing higher than like 6 by just storing favor. Which is why a lot of the requests we've been getting give us Standing outright.


Jreengus said:
+60 favour with the Valayans
+100 Favour with Ravensvake +1 Standing with the king & queen +2 Standing with the princess

I'm not seeing any other changes on the standing page.

Edit: Worth noting the base valayan favour from the retainer action was +50 so we probably rolled well but not incredibly there.
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Oh! I completely messed up my timing. We can totally get all the almanacs on turn 7 lol.
 
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Tomcost said:
That's why I insist on the Ravsnvake commision to get to 10. I think that we won't get the opportunity soon.
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*points at giving the capability for chain to other runesmiths*

Chain is hella important to dwarves, that should boost our standing with quite a few folks in the North.

And even if it doesn't? *shrug* Most of the requests we get have standing boost and King Villi will ask for other things and on top of that Ravnsvake's standing 10 option is very likely to be just -1 to Ulthuani orders. Which is frankly, not that useful right now. And by the time I could see that becoming useful we'll have had it through other ways.
 
Tomcost said:
That's why I insist on the Ravsnvake commision to get to 10. I think that we won't get the opportunity soon.
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There is always going to be more requests, we just added another possible commission to the list. Really a big part of it is managing to balance research, commissions, apprentices, and taking the field.

Both rune metal lines are going to push the maximum further and help other runesmiths increase what they produce, same thing with places of the odd and odd mats. Not to mention what our apprentice tree can do as we pass this knowledge on.
 
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I see it as only affecting Runesmiths, not Holds yet. But who knows, we might end up being lucky.
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Dwarfs hold almost as much respect for their artisans as they do their warriors so making gromril chain especially mass-producible gromril chain to a Dwarf put in a human context would be like a human single-handedly replicating the feats of Sigmar and something like that will get you standing with people.

Edit: In an IRL context it'd be like replicating the feats of Jesus in front of a Catholic.
 
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I'm still not convinced that Gromril Chain will have such a broad and lasting effect on Standing. There must have been loads and loads of things that the Ancestor Gods did first and then other dwarves replicated. The only thing that's unusual about Gromril Chain is that it's took a little longer for another dwarf to manage it - and we don't even know how many other things there are like that out there.

It's important for the Brotherhood because it's related to their Runemetal Research, but is it that important for most dwarves? 99.9% of dwarves will probably never own any gromril gear, after all. Replicating one of Valaya's brews would probably be a much bigger deal.
 
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Alratan said:
I'm still not convinced that Gromril Chain will have such a broad and lasting effect on Standing. There must have been loads and loads of things that the Ancestor Gods did first and then other dwarves replicated. The only thing that's unusual about Gromril Chain is that it's took a little longer for another dwarf to manage it - and we don't even know how many other things there are like that out there.

It's important for the Brotherhood because it's related to their Runemetal Research, but is it that important for most dwarves? 99.9% of dwarves will probably never own any gromril gear, after all. Replicating one of Valaya's brews would probably be a much bigger deal.
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That is a completely and utterly ridiculous reading of the situation regarding gromril chain. In the OTL Grungni was the only dwarf to ever manage to make gromril chain. Those Dwarfs who managed to replicate other feats that had only been the Ancestor's providence would have also seen prestige increases similar to what we expect.

Gromril chain is simply a bigger deal than the rest of them because it's been left unfulfilled for much much longer than any of the others.
 
Alratan said:
I'm still not convinced that Gromril Chain will have such a broad and lasting effect on Standing. There must have been loads and loads of things that the Ancestor Gods did first and then other dwarves replicated. The only thing that's unusual about Gromril Chain is that it's took a little longer for another dwarf to manage it - and we don't even know how many other things there are like that out there.
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The Throne of Eternity for one. No one's expecting to crack that anytime soon :V
 
Alratan said:
I'm still not convinced that Gromril Chain will have such a broad and lasting effect on Standing. There must have been loads and loads of things that the Ancestor Gods did first and then other dwarves replicated. The only thing that's unusual about Gromril Chain is that it's took a little longer for another dwarf to manage it - and we don't even know how many other things there are like that out there.

It's important for the Brotherhood because it's related to their Runemetal Research, but is it that important for most dwarves? 99.9% of dwarves will probably never own any gromril gear, after all. Replicating one of Valaya's brews would probably be a much bigger deal.
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To me, there's a difference between all the stuff the Ancestor Gods taught the Dwarfs and the stuff that was quickly figured and challenges such as gromril chain because, to be frank even the eldest Runesmiths appear to have given up on it or just don't care enough about it to discuss their successful forgings of it. Meaning its been built up as this big thing in the minds of Dwarfs that the forging of gromil chain should be all but impossible making the forging of it an incredibly impressive thing that is closer to the feat of an Ancestor God than a normal Dwarf.

It'd be like slaying an elder magma wyrm single-handedly like sure is it theoretically something a Dwarf could do? Yes. Is it in the same vain as something Dwarfs have already learned from the Ancestor Gods? Yes. But it's still the type of feat considered all but impossible for a Dwarf to accomplish and the sole domain of the Ancestor Gods and therefore accomplishing it would be a highly impressive feat that would be closer to the feats of the Ancestor Gods than a normal Dwarf.
 
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Hmm. On the note of Grugni, a thought for the pickaxe Commission .

MR Breaking, Cleaving, Grugni.

"This pick breaks things very well." To "this pick is a good pick with a pick rune" and then "the pickaxe is associated with the God of Mining." For "this good pick with a pick rune is like Grugni, which breaks things well. "

Nothing metaphorical, just making a super pick-y pick.
 
SideVermin13 said:
Im all for giving the Brana opposable thumbs
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With the Rune of Forged Limb, or a later development, we probably could.

ArchAIngel said:
Hmm. On the note of Grugni, a thought for the pickaxe Commission .

MR Breaking, Cleaving, Grugni.

"This pick breaks things very well." To "this pick is a good pick with a pick rune" and then "the pickaxe is associated with the God of Mining." For "this good pick with a pick rune is like Grugni, which breaks things well. "

Nothing metaphorical, just making a super pick-y pick.
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Well, the pick apparently represents how Grungni opened up the underground to the dwarves, so it would still be pretty metaphorical as well.

I'd go with Master Rune of Smiting rather than Breaking, as Grungni is usually presented as being by constructive dwarf god, making things rather than breaking them, and Smiting seems to fit better with that, rather than Breaking which is specifically about destroying manufactured things.

Also, I think we're more likely to be able to source a T4 horn.
 
Making Gromril chain would be impressive, a feat only matched by the Ancestor Gods.

Making it so that other dwarfs can make Gromril chain in a mere century or so when everyone has beaten their heads against the first wall of just making it a all seemingly without success for a thousand years or more? Legend, wait for it, Dary. You could argue that it's only as impressive as an Ancestor God, and I'm ok with that.

Also, hi all, short time reader, first time poster.
 
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