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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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soulcake said:
- Standing 7, Mountainfull of Beasties: Chance to reduce turn timer on Monster Part orders by 1. (minimum 1)
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soulcake said:
- Orra Stonehammer, Princess and widow of the Heir of Karak Ungor: Standing 10
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Pretty sure these two are new. It would appear that whether they comboed or not, Orra really likes her new limbs. And a new level of standing with Ornsmotek.

Garlak said:
The "Desolate Hold, Grand Desires" commission has, indeed, found another taker by end of Turn 34; as it's been removed from the list.
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I TOLD YOU SO. I TOLD YOU SO!

Dammit. Now how are we goig to get the necessary Ravnsvake favour?
 
Garlak said:
So, place your bets, folks.

Do you think Snorri pulled a Snorri this turn and did something that would have gotten Moira mad at him (if it weren't for the existence of Barak Azamar making it so that he doesn't pass out or strain himself from constant work)?

I think it's them revealing the 'true' name of Adamant. Or maybe giving us a clue to things in some way.

Grombrynril... Something like Defiant White/Silvery Shining/Shiny Metal?

Actually... What if it's Barak Azamar and/or Zharrgal that ended up being the key?

The ability to constantly focus 100% of Barak Azamar. Combined with the precision and skill, and runes of Thungni and Smednir, of Zharrgal's Makerstrike combo.
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Im sure Zharrgal helps with making the stuff but it would still be a matter of figuring out how to do so in the first place. Maybe it's how Snorri went about figuring it out that was the key, the same way he approached how to purify Gromril into Adamant. He saw it as a puzzle that required solving, not just a matter of raw skill. The Brotherhoods method of creating Adamant was a very brute force method that required substantial effort and skill mean while Snorri's method is very hands off and requires zero effort on his part besides making the Smelter itself and required solving the issue of Gromrils taint at its source.
BelligerentGnu said:
Don't forget Soul of the Earth, either. It's not just extra actions - "work with all metal will be greatly improved.
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Thats what I was referencing, it used to be Mind for Metal with improved Snorri's work with Gromril specifically. It's just like our Mind for Constructs, it represents Snorri's greater understanding of Gronti and how to better make them, which is why I don't think we need to micromanage the anatomy part of Gronti making as we literally have a trait that does it automatically.
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
I think we hit a singularity in extra research procs this turn and finished part 2b at the same time. I wonder if we could literally pivot now to rune metal main branch in time to get a bar of that for the Valaya commission. Maybe Journeyman of the odd also procced progress on other projects as well.
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Nnno, I highly, HIGHLY, doubt that. I fully believe that we're going to need significant understanding of Alchemy to even begin part 6 of Rune Metal and not face plant into Durin's Consternation.
 
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BelligerentGnu said:
Pretty sure these two are new. It would appear that whether they comboed or not, Orra really likes her new limbs. And a new level of standing with Ornsmotek.



I TOLD YOU SO. I TOLD YOU SO!

Dammit. Now how are we goig to get the necessary Ravnsvake favour?
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From the Gimli commission we took? Desolate Hold was for Karak Vlag.

Orra was from turn 34 update, but Ornsmotek is from whatever the Hearthguard did.
 
This is actually something I've been a bit confused about for a while. Are runesmiths also trained as full blacksmiths, jewelers, and weavers? Snorri's made all the major weapons and armor himself but at times when he's doing bulk orders he's taking orders from blacksmiths and jewelers. So like do runesmith apprentices get 3x the workload of other apprentices because they have to learn multiple trades?

This is coming back to the chainmail because that stuff really does take forever to make and it's not something that a runesmith really ever runes.
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
This is actually something I've been a bit confused about for a while. Are runesmiths also trained as full blacksmiths, jewelers, and weavers? Snorri's made all the major weapons and armor himself but at times when he's doing bulk orders he's taking orders from blacksmiths and jewelers. So like do runesmith apprentices get 3x the workload of other apprentices because they have to learn multiple trades?

This is coming back to the chainmail because that stuff really does take forever to make and it's not something that a runesmith really ever runes.
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I'd say that it varies. A Runesmith probably will make their personal items, like Barak Azamar or Zharrgal. A Runesmith might also be commissioned to Rune a weapon/necklace/armor piece/ect that the Dwarf already has. They might also be commissioned to make the whole thing themself.

Smednir and Thungni worked together to create the greatest of the works of the Karaz Ankor.
 
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LaggPlaguedDuke said:
This is actually something I've been a bit confused about for a while. Are runesmiths also trained as full blacksmiths, jewelers, and weavers? Snorri's made all the major weapons and armor himself but at times when he's doing bulk orders he's taking orders from blacksmiths and jewelers. So like do runesmith apprentices get 3x the workload of other apprentices because they have to learn multiple trades?

This is coming back to the chainmail because that stuff really does take forever to make and it's not something that a runesmith really ever runes.
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MrHobbit said:
I'd say that it varies. A Runesmith probably will make their personal items, like Barak Azamar or Zharrgal. A Runesmith might also be commissioned to Rune a weapon/necklace/armor piece/ect that the Dwarf already has. They might also be commissioned to make the whole thing themself.

Smednir and Thungni worked together to create the greatest of the works of the Karaz Ankor.
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This is probably a place where a Runesmith's Specialties point to their skills in other crafts, at least to some degree.
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
something I've been a bit confused about for a while. Are runesmiths also trained as full blacksmiths, jewelers, and weavers? Snorri's made all the major weapons and armor himself but at times when he's doing bulk orders he's taking orders from blacksmiths and jewelers. So like do runesmith apprentices get 3x the workload of other apprentices because they have to learn multiple trades?

This is coming back to the chainmail because that stuff really does take forever to make and it's not something that a runesmith really ever runes.
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Considering how long the apprenticeships are I would expect the training to be broad as well as deep.

Doesn't need a spoiler.
 
BelligerentGnu said:
Pretty sure these two are new. It would appear that whether they comboed or not, Orra really likes her new limbs. And a new level of standing with Ornsmotek.



I TOLD YOU SO. I TOLD YOU SO!

Dammit. Now how are we goig to get the necessary Ravnsvake favour?
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Orra standing was revealed as 10 at the end of last turn, which isn't surprising considering her entire family was also at standing 10 with us.
 
Honestly I sorta wish the chain part had been kept quiet, or that I hadn't opened the spoilers. It's honestly a bigger deal than Barak Azamar or Zharrgal. But oh well.

Which rune would -S be in the Klinkarhun?
 
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MrHobbit said:
Honestly I sorta wish the chain part had been kept quiet, or that I hadn't opened the spoilers. It's honestly a bigger deal than Barak Azamar or Zharrgal. But oh well.

Which rune would -S be in the Klinkarhun?
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Getting help from the brotherhood ment that they at least were going to know.
 
fictionfan said:
Getting help from the brotherhood ment that they at least were going to know.
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Not that, I didn't expect it to be kept quiet in universe. I meant in the thread. I was mentioning that in hindsight, I wish I had been surprised to see that we got gromril chain when I read the Turn 34 Results.

Like, if I remember correctly soulcake didn't post the description of Zharrgal and Barak Azamar in the Creations of Note until he'd posted the update.
 
I have to wonder how Santa Smednir noticed the gromril chain. Does he get a notification like in a 4x strategy game (Divided Loyalties spoiler) every time a Dwarf does something Big with metal? I mean, there hasn't been any proof that Snorri upgraded Wyrmgaurd or Drakeplate yet.
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
This is actually something I've been a bit confused about for a while. Are runesmiths also trained as full blacksmiths, jewelers, and weavers? Snorri's made all the major weapons and armor himself but at times when he's doing bulk orders he's taking orders from blacksmiths and jewelers. So like do runesmith apprentices get 3x the workload of other apprentices because they have to learn multiple trades?
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Snorri makes his own bases for applying runes most of the time, and not just for his most prestigious commissions. He made all of his retainers' gear, for example, if you recall. So Snorri is at least a blacksmith and a metallurgist and a jeweller and a leatherworker and a sculptor and a stonemason in addition to his main gig as a carver of runes, and he's picked up whittling and painting and probably a bunch of other stuff as well as part of his toymaking hobby. He expects his apprentices to achieve competence in at least some of these areas before graduating, too, although probably not all of them at once (see K & N forging axes, Snerra doing sculpting work on the miner, etc). The only instance I can think of where Snorri conspicuously does not do the base work himself is on siege engines; those he leaves to the pros, as far as we've seen.

Of course, Snorri is atypical in a lot of ways and we shouldn't immediately conclude he's representative of runesmiths everywhere. For one thing, his own apprenticeship lasted all of 20 years and, given how much of that time would have gone into teaching him to make functioning runes at all, I don't think it can have been physically possible for Yorri to instruct him in all of these other trades as well. I'm sure there are transferable skills from runesmithing to eg. mundane blacksmithing but Snorri would still have to have picked up most (all?) of his various other abilities on his own. Which is maybe not super surprising, at the end of the day, given that he is 1) deeply, instinctively curious and 2) probably in the top 5 biggest workaholics in the universe. Whenever he's had a moment of respite these last 800 years he's probably thrown himself into learning gemcutting, or glassmaking or whatever, until he became the curmudgeonly old omni-artisan of today.

As for what, besides runecrafting, an apprentice runesmith is generally expected to learn before striking out on their own, who knows? Snorri clearly thinks they should know to do more than just put runes on things but I really couldn't tell you if his views are shared by the majority of masters. I've posted before about how his own journey was probably super tough, and I think it might have coloured his perceptions of how long an apprenticeship ideally ought to take: he was pushed out the door way before he felt himself ready and, when he started teaching himself, went to the opposite extreme and kept his apprentices under his wing for 100+ years. Part of that is because he expects them to learn every standard rune he knows, but I figure he also favours giving a broader education than Yorri gave him (and maybe than the average runesmith gives their pupils).
 
At the very least, Snorri expects his apprentices to be halfway decent cooks, given how often he puts "non-sequitur" bread recipes into his apprentices workload. And I'd think that you'd probably need at least basic competency in a lot of craft fields to be a runesmith so that you'd know where to put a rune and not have the whole thing disintegrate on you.
 
Hmm I can't help but wonder if Grombrynril that Smednir crossed out isn't the name that the ancestors used for Adamant but the next metal beyond Adamant and he was giving us some sort of hint towards it? who knows I may just be looking to much into this.
 
fu12 said:
At the very least, Snorri expects his apprentices to be halfway decent cooks, given how often he puts "non-sequitur" bread recipes into his apprentices workload. And I'd think that you'd probably need at least basic competency in a lot of craft fields to be a runesmith so that you'd know where to put a rune and not have the whole thing disintegrate on you.
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It also makes sense as a survival tool, for being out in the wilds where troll might be all you have around to munch on.

E: Overall I'm kind of leaning towards what bird yells is talking about, in that Snorri probably reacted to his short and somewhat horrific apprenticeship and Journey and is trying to make sure his apprentices are prepared for their own Journeys as best as he can to his considerable ability.
 
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So we're going to give the Ironarms another heartattack with Gimli's gift right?
 
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