On Thread Etiquette:
I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.
???'s Note: A gift, a wafer-thin sheet of Gromril leaf with what appears to be a work order on it. For services rendered in the settling of a familial dispute, one Charm of Grombrynril Adamant -S
Grungni's Necklace: A gift, the fine necklace made with Gromril Chain, seven charms, each representing an Ancestor you've met, dangle from it. The Master Rune of Grungni burns on its corresponding charm.
All the ancestor mementos are gold now so that's a pretty good indicator. I think I misread it though, it probably came with the charm rather than being a request for one.
Edit: Wait it is a work order, so err I'm really not sure now, guess I'll see with the update
Grungni's Necklace: A gift, the fine necklace made with Gromril Chain, seven charms, each representing an Ancestor you've met, dangle from it. The Master Rune of Grungni burns on its corresponding charm.
There's a bunch to consider and chat about. But, aside from spoiler stuff... Well, I just remembered this old thing.
Dragon's Spite
An intricately carved bolt thrower bolt, the dragonbone shaft is engraved to appear like a Wyrm's breath. Reinforced with a core of Pure Gromril, and capped off with an adamant bolt head, the tip glowing like a dragon's breath from the Runes engraved on it.
-[Master Rune of Currents+, Rune of Frost +, Rune of Grudges (Empty)]
-Trollbane
This guy has an empty Rune of Grudges on him!
How would Karak Ungor feel about us lending this old thing to them for a bit? They do have a Dragon to hunt after all. And MCurrents plus Frost could be helpful against a Magma Dragon, right? ... Although sadly it doesn't have the Master Rune of Dragonslaying, unfortunately.
Or a few Hearthwardens being on stationed to Karak Ungor, with the Dragon's Spite in tow.
I caught that back when the title of that thing was in full and not ???
There's other stuff too. Like for instance, our Karak Ungor favor went up by 50 points. Rather than the full 80, not sure why. Guess it's because it's only Triage Part 1, and we need to do more to finish it, rather than because we screwed up somehow and the commission isn't good enough.
"Gain 80 Favour with Kraka Drakk and 1 Standing and 80 Favour +??? with Karak Ungor. No one else can do this."
This leads me to believe that we haven't completed the full Request for Karak Ungor yet -- because we didn't get the Kraka Drakk Favor, and we didn't get Standing and Favor bonus to Karak Ungor -- but which leads me to wonder "Wait, what did we suddenly get Karak Ungor favor for, then?"
My current guess?
"Utility Skills:Medical Aid++, Infrastructure Repair, Fieldworks, Artillery Capable, Funerary Rites, Search and Rescue+, Informal but sound Legal and Moral Advice, Monster Tracking"
Ylva and some Hearth Guards showed up in Karak Ungor and rendered aid.
Btw, the change to the Hearth Guard was the adding of two +s to Medical Aid, and one + to Search and Rescue.
Ornsmotek favor rose by 90 points -- so whatever it was, we must have rolled really well. I mean, we got an epic deed out of it for our Hearth Guard, and 15 Monster Wardens joing our Hearth Guard, so no surprise there.
The Kraka Drakk favor went down by 75 points. We took 15-point Craftsdwarf Expertise 4 times, so that's 60 favor there. So the Expedite on the T4 Troll Heart must have been another 15 points of favor.
Our Standing with every individual in the Brotherhood of Dron has gone up by 1 point. Though not, amusingly, our overall Standing with the Brotherhood of Dron as an organization! Heh. We've used up 50 Brotherhood of Dron favor of course.
The "Desolate Hold, Grand Desires" commission has, indeed, found another taker by end of Turn 34; as it's been removed from the list.
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[ ] [Simple] Desolate Hold, Grand Desires: [Cost: 6 actions] Due end of Turn 37. Productivity Like no Other will proc. Gain 1 Standing with Karak Vlag. Snorri thinks another patron might be found by the end of turn 34. King Yarrison, because you refuse to think of him as King Yorri, has written to you inquiring as to whether you would be willing to take a commission from him. With Lord Gemlin busy, the King wishes to arm his retainers in light of his decision to increase their numbers. Rune inscribed Gromril weapons, protective talismans and a few choice pieces of Iron plated Gromril armour for the greatest among them.
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(That's what the commission was, for those curious.)
Also, although this is probably revealed, since you mentioned the Adamant and note thing but... Well, check our Creations of Note. There hasn't been a whole new creation added to it, but one of them got edited and changed.
All the ancestor mementos are gold now so that's a pretty good indicator. I think I misread it though, it probably came with the charm rather than being a request for one.
Edit: Wait it is a work order, so err I'm really not sure now, guess I'll see with the update
If it's a work order from an Ancestor then of course we would have to do it we'd be fools not to! But what type of work order we will have to wait and see in the update.
More than a suit of armour, it is the greatest thing you have made and likely will make for centuries to come. Layers of silvery-white plate that shine like snowbanks in high noon overtop the craggy stone underlayer of Haruzrildrakk's hide and glimmering shirt of Gromril Chain overtop that
Oh heck yeah our armor has Gromril Chainmail on it now! And that was only part one of that research chain wonder what us continuing down that path will bring us now? Jeez a lot of interesting stuff has happened this turn!
Oh heck yeah our armor has Gromril Chainmail on it now! And that was only part one of that research chain wonder what us continuing down that path will bring us now?
Oh heck yeah our armor has Gromril Chainmail on it now! And that was only part one of that research chain wonder what us continuing down that path will bring us now? Jeez a lot of interesting stuff has happened this turn!
Do we actually know if there is a part 2b? I didn't find a single mention of it by soulcake. It'd be awkward if those favors spent couldn't overflow anywhere.
If it's a work order from an Ancestor then of course we would have to do it we'd be fools not to! But what type of work order we will have to wait and see in the update.
Yeah, the original name of it was just "Smednir's Work Order" rather than "??? Note". I apparently got really really lucky on when I refreshed my page because I saw it as that, rather than its current form right now.
I wonder what the family dispute was? Whether anybody will ever be able to get as good as them and do a thing that they did, or was it something else? Maybe something like a guild or cult dispute? Of whether this should be a Runesmith thing, a Smith thing, or both Smiths and Runesmiths?
Maybe Smednir thought that Grungni shouldn't have left Gromril Chain for them because the Beardlings would never be able to manage to reach it, but Grungni was confident that they'd get it some day, and so now that somebody has proven Grungni right, maybe Smednir will also share his own Gromril Chain and leave it behind for his Cult to be inspired by too. Because now Smednir knows that the Beardlings can eventually get it.
Do we actually know if there is a part 2b? I didn't find a single mention of it by soulcake. It'd be awkward if those favors spent couldn't overflow anywhere.
Actually, since we've gotten the usual-per-turn+2-Adamant... and we haven't subtracted 3 Adamant from that yet... This means that we haven't actually made them yet.
Also, the Tier 4 Troll Heart hasn't appeared yet.
Also also, no new Rune Combos have appeared yet either, so, sadface, we probably didn't discover any new ones with this. Maybe the story update hasn't gotten to that part just yet though?
Part 1 seems to be about, well, the equivalent of sizing the patient up for the prosthetics they'll need. Which requires traveling there and taking measurements, or at least exchanging letters on it. Hm. We probably sent Ylva and some Hearthwardens over to Karak Ungor to do the measuring and patient care and stuff.
Well, looks like we are basically going to have to spend the next 3 turns or more on requests. One of the requests we will be working on being a Request from an Ancestor himself. Goodbye all research not related to said Request. We'll see you in... 5 turns?
Do we actually know if there is a part 2b? I didn't find a single mention of it by soulcake. It'd be awkward if those favors spent couldn't overflow anywhere.
Do we actually know if there is a part 2b? I didn't find a single mention of it by soulcake. It'd be awkward if those favors spent couldn't overflow anywhere.
Yeah, the original name of it was just "Smednir's Work Order" rather than "??? Note". I apparently got really really lucky on when I refreshed my page because I saw it as that, rather than its current form right now.
I wonder what the family dispute was? Whether anybody will ever be able to get as good as them and do a thing that they did, or was it something else? Maybe something like a guild or cult dispute? Of whether this should be a Runesmith thing, a Smith thing, or both Smiths and Runesmiths?
Maybe Smednir thought that Grungni shouldn't have left Gromril Chain for them because the Beardlings would never be able to manage to reach it, but Grungni was confident that they'd get it some day, and so now that somebody has proven Grungni right, maybe Smednir will also share his own Gromril Chain and leave it behind for his Cult to be inspired by too. Because now Smednir knows that the Beardlings can eventually get it.
To be honest, I don't know how to feel about having access to Gromril Chain already. I spent a considerable amount of time and energy hyping up the importance of gromril chain and it just feels... anti-climatic to already have completed the research to the point of having gromril chainmail.
Maybe we got lucky with material research procs and were able to also get Rune metal 2b done? I don't know. We certainly will have the time to get some gromril chain set up for our commissions though, and we have a lot of spare room in the turns now to get other requests and commissions done as well as other research.
I personally think the Dwarves never attempted to make Gromril Chain because they assumed everything made by the Ancestor Gods was far outside their reach. So they never bothered trying to make something that was actually easy to make. Then, the dispute was actually about if someone would ever bother actually trying to make Gromril Chain.
Considering the work order is inscribed on gromril leaf, Rune metal 2b could very easily be working on that. The tree, then, would be working on successively finer manipulation of gromril and its variants -wires, cabling and the like.
Also lmfao at Smednir thinking our name for Adamant was better than the one they'd previously called it.
Maybe we got lucky with material research procs and were able to also get Rune metal 2b done? I don't know. We certainly will have the time to get some gromril chain set up for our commissions though, and we have a lot of spare room in the turns now to get other requests and commissions done as well as other research.
That was my assumption too, actually. That we got lucky in the material research procs on top of the favor spent. This could be the equivalent of creating Trollslayer, or a bit further, for Gromril Chainmail.
Also... Note that the only thing that got Gromril Chainmail replacement? Is the very thing we would have been wearing. Our personal armor, Barak Azamar.
For example, we didn't suddenly also re-outfit some or all of our Hearthguard with Gromril Chainmail.
So... That leads me to believe that it probably takes some doing, to make Chainmail. I hypothesized that for all we know, it might add "+x Actions needed" or "+y% more Actions needed", or it might just be slow, or... something, I dunno.
... I wonder what Ithilmar is like. Or, if Mount Grimfang -- known as Karag Agilwutraz, Silverspear, for now -- produces a type of silver that might be relevant or interesting to us or to the Elves. Or the Sword of Couronne, which mentions "silverine." There was a lot of referencing of silverine in the Warhammer quests on SB, during the time of Knight Quest, but googling silverine and searching Warhammer Fantasy for it, doesn't actually show that much mention of it at all for Warhammer; so it was a thing largely popularly used by that one quest. In canon it might have, for all we know, have been a way to refer to a Bretonnian artifact gifted to Couronne by High Elves and thus made of Ithilmar. Or maybe it really was some kind of silver sacred to the Bretonnians. Or maybe something similar to how BoneyM's usage of Azril as being "weapon-metal" and actually Gromril. Dunno.
To be honest, I don't know how to feel about having access to Gromril Chain already. I spent a considerable amount of time and energy hyping up the importance of gromril chain and it just feels... anti-climatic to already have completed the research to the point of having gromril chainmail.
Maybe we got lucky with material research procs and were able to also get Rune metal 2b done? I don't know. We certainly will have the time to get some gromril chain set up for our commissions though, and we have a lot of spare room in the turns now to get other requests and commissions done as well as other research.
Gromril chain would be easy to produce with adamant tools. To produce wire, you need a harder material (with a higher melting point) that you can use as a die to draw the wire through. Normal Smiths don't have Adamant, and those few Runelords that have Adamant spent too much gold getting it to use it on figuring out a way to make gromril wire for chainmail. Snorri had the combination of Adamant surplus (18 pc), Patience (Productivity Like No other), Motivation (Challenge from Grungni) and the Interest (Journeyman of the Odd).
I personally think the Dwarves never attempted to make Gromril Chain because they assumed everything made by the Ancestor Gods was far outside their reach. So they never bothered trying to make something that was actually easy to make. Then, the dispute was actually about if someone would ever bother actually trying to make Gromril Chain.
I don't think that makes too much sense. If Gromril Chain wasn't inherently hard someone would have done it by now, if only because the Ancestors apparently encourage trying it. No, I believe that it was Snorri's work on Adamant that left him particularly capable of taking on this task, since Gromril Chain branches off of the same research tree. And the people who made Adamant before Snorri spent a lot of time trying to make their process less expensive so they didn't have so much time consider the applications.
Coming to think of it, chainmail is probably something the Runesmiths don't actually make themselves.
From what i read, an armorer working solo takes about a year to make a suit using authentic methods. In reality they used to have teams working on the same piece of mail, with each person doing a single job.
Like an assembly line.
That is ... really laborious.
But Runesmiths typically don't have a team of assistants doing menial work, and probably find the menial work beneath them, to a certain degree. It's one thing to make a suit of plate armor yourself, and then put runes on it. But chainmail can't take runes... so why make it yourself?
