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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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pucflek said:
This is also known as bystander syndrome, where everybody thinks somebody will do something about something, but noone does :V. Or it was not a priority, or Grimnirs retinue is made mostly of not-runesmiths or any number of things.

Regarding skills, Snorri has been deemed as worthy by 6 out of 7 Ancestor Gods, give him some credit there too. He is no slouch. Every little bit helps, seeing the fact our work is apparently the reason Dawi Zharr are currently not fucking up the east. Who would have thought making a big banner could help change course of fate, considering it was such ridiculously simplistic solution to a cultural problem we were not even aware existed :V.
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o_O None of his retinue where runesmiths?
Listen to yourself, you seem to be so fixated on this idea that you don't believe there is any other way to achieve the goal.
If we want to change the religion our best chance should obviously be making ties to the clergy who preach it and then working with them. Now that may include a giant gronti but the plan to just throw a golem at the church and hope that changes it is so naive.
TotallyNotEvil said:
A memorial isn't going to change the world, but doesn't mean it's pointless, does it?
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Agreed. However a lot of the arguing I do in this thread is to temper expectations.
If your reasoning for building Grontimir is Grimnir was a badass and he deserves this, then I think that is valid and have no problem with that( I may still have problems with specific plans).
But if you think we should make the Grim Gronti because its going to change a religion then I think your plan is based on a flawed concept and will argue with that.
 
MrHobbit said:
I don't see an issue with it. I mean, sure, it would take 16 or so actions to do it at Peak Efficiency, but it would lead to pretty interesting plot hooks. Something like the below would work. We haven't really taken many commissions lately, and it would honestly be pretty damn cool to interact more with the Cult of Gazul. Hopefully doing both might make the other Cults interact with us more.

Turn 39: Armoured Maidens (4 actions, 6 progress)
Turn 40: Armoured Maidens (4 actions, 6 progress) (Armoured Maidens Finished) (One free action)
Turn 41: Grave Warden (5 actions, 7 progress)
Turn 42: Grave Warden (3 actions, 5 progress) (Grave Wardens Finished)

More importantly, equipping both of them with gromril chain (if it is indeed possible), would be an even bigger flex and would spread the word of our discovery further.
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Yeah see four turns of majority simple requests is a bit much for me. I'd rather get back to the rune metal or start the alchemy work.
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
Yeah see four turns of majority simple requests is a bit much for me. I'd rather get back to the rune metal or start the alchemy work.
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When was the last time we took a simple commission, and don't say Karag Dum, that was closer to volunteering than an actual commission. It was turn 29, and that was research, not proper building.

By all rights, the thread should be dumping the next four or so turns on gromril chain, unless something really absurd comes up exactly so that both of these orders will have gromril chain. After that we'll probably get right back to !!Research!!

Those commissions have a lot of future plot points and interesting character interaction. 16 actions is more than worth that.
 
How much do we know about Blizzardwing? All I know is that he is a Brana willing to act as our eyes every now and then. Considering how many research bonuses that seemed to give it feels like we have a high standing with him? Then again maybe that is just projecting dwarf culture onto him. Maybe he would have been willing to do the same for any random dwarf that paid him and asked.
 
fictionfan said:
How much do we know about Blizzardwing? All I know is that he is a Brana willing to act as our eyes every now and then. Considering how many research bonuses that seemed to give it feels like we have a high standing with him? Then again maybe that is just projecting dwarf culture onto him. Maybe he would have been willing to do the same for any random dwarf that paid him and asked.
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Now you know one more thing: Blizzardwing is female.

And that she was our main contact among the Brana in the Dum campaign.
 
@soulcake, are runesmiths in the recruitment pool for The Hearth Guard? If not is it be possible to add them?

fictionfan said:
How much do we know about Blizzardwing? All I know is that he is a Brana willing to act as our eyes every now and then. Considering how many research bonuses that seemed to give it feels like we have a high standing with him? Then again maybe that is just projecting dwarf culture onto him. Maybe he would have been willing to do the same for any random dwarf that paid him and asked.
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She's standing 7:
soulcake said:
- She who Calls the Furious Cold/ Blizzardwing, Stormcaller of Drongkaraz: Standing 7
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fictionfan said:
How much do we know about Blizzardwing? All I know is that he is a Brana willing to act as our eyes every now and then. Considering how many research bonuses that seemed to give it feels like we have a high standing with him? Then again maybe that is just projecting dwarf culture onto him. Maybe he would have been willing to do the same for any random dwarf that paid him and asked.
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As mentioned already, Blizzardwing is female. I think Blizzardwing is willing to do this because Snorri has a good relationship with her. Here's another example of a Brana doing lore involved stuff. They are obviously different people, but I thought context would be nice.

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"Svarti," she asks, grabbing his attention, "Can you explain your exasperation to me? I offer gold in exchange for knowledge."

"No need for that," he says waving off her bargain, an oddity she has long gotten used to,
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Hmm, on an unrelated note, honestly I'd like to study Alchemy with Yorri. It'd be fascinating to see what he and Snorri would get up to. Not to mention hilarious. Perhaps even better if we've learned Eltharin beforehand. :p
 
fictionfan said:
How much do we know about Blizzardwing? All I know is that he is a Brana willing to act as our eyes every now and then. Considering how many research bonuses that seemed to give it feels like we have a high standing with him? Then again maybe that is just projecting dwarf culture onto him. Maybe he would have been willing to do the same for any random dwarf that paid him and asked.
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Notable that we haven't actually asked much of her. This is something basically any Brana could do as we're just asking her to apply a sense that dwarves are essentially blind.
The reason that we never thought to do this because until we learned that there multiple winds from the elf books the dwarves thought there was no distinction between the winds of magic and it probably never came up in conversation with a Brana for them to mention it.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Notable that we haven't actually asked much of her. This is something basically any Brana could do as we're just asking her to apply a sense that dwarves are essentially blind.
The reason that we never thought to do this because until we learned that there multiple winds from the elf books the dwarves thought there was no distinction between the winds of magic and it probably never came up in conversation with a Brana for them to mention it.
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She's the Stormcaller of Drongkaraz, which I think is about equivalent to the head Mage. So there's a reason she's a good source for research, aside from being a Brana with high standing.
 
I just had this sad image of snorri making a dwarf sized gronti, a absolutely perfect recreation of his wife, him striking the final rune stroke under her hair, the gronti coming to life, filled with all the memories and emotions of his wife, a absolute perfect recreation, and then snorri breaks down and cries silently as he knows, this is still, not his wife, even as the gronti tries to comfort him and realizes what exactly she is.
 
notanautomaton said:
She's the Stormcaller of Drongkaraz, which I think is about equivalent to the head Mage. So there's a reason she's a good source for research, aside from being a Brana with high standing.
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Stormcaller is a generic title for any Brana who can call up a storm:
soulcake said:
The commonality of the storms there made it a rather popular place for young Brana attempting to test their control over weather over a period of months. A test you are told, to prove their worthiness and skill to be called a Stormcaller, a Brana whose mastery over the weather was strong enough that they could conjure and control an albeit weaker, storm like their progenitor did.
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notanautomaton said:
She's the Stormcaller of Drongkaraz, which I think is about equivalent to the head Mage. So there's a reason she's a good source for research, aside from being a Brana with high standing.
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She's a Stormcaller.
A Stormcaller is any Brana with the magical capability to manifest a blizzard like Stormwrath and KoS except smaller.
Its not a rank with responsibilities as best I know.

So less like being a Head Mage and more like if our society was hyper fixated on names and titled anyone who could finish a race in under ____ time: Fast Run Person.
 
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Jreengus said:
@soulcake, are runesmiths in the recruitment pool for The Hearth Guard? If not is it be possible to add them?
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This is a bad move on many parts.

Its a political whoopy that will draw the eyes of the House in a way that's similar to the worst case scenario regarding the Rune of Prosthesis/Forged Limb. Runesmith independence is a big deal and that sort of oath, to another Runesmith, even a Runelord, is a landmine.
 
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soulcake said:
This is a bad move on many parts.

Its a political whoopy that will draw the eyes of the House in a way that's similar to the worst case scenario regarding the Rune of Prosthesis.
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Yup, remember everyone. The bad end with Rune of Prosthesis was that we collectivised Runesmiths in order to meet the demand, nothing inherent to the rune.

Setting aside that its a bad idea.
  1. Are Runesmiths too independent to want to apply?
  2. Would Snorri just turn down any Runesmith who applied because he knows it would be a headache?
  3. Both?
 
soulcake said:
This is a bad move on many parts.

Its a political whoopy that will draw the eyes of the House in a way that's similar to the worst case scenario regarding the Rune of Prosthesis/Forged Limb. Runesmith independence is a big deal and that sort of oath, to another Runesmith, even a Runelord, is a landmine.
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guess only way we could recruit a runelord is if we did something significant enough to put them under so much debt their only way of really fulfilling the debt owe would be to join and serve.
 
Dark as Silver said:
o_O None of his retinue where runesmiths?
Listen to yourself, you seem to be so fixated on this idea that you don't believe there is any other way to achieve the goal.
If we want to change the religion our best chance should obviously be making ties to the clergy who preach it and then working with them. Now that may include a giant gronti but the plan to just throw a golem at the church and hope that changes it is so naive.
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I think the belief that an artifact of the level that is explicitly said to steer fates of civilizations not having enough narrative effect to do just that is naive. Either way, the point was not that it would 100% change religion, but that it can and is one more point of contact to portrayal of Grimnir that does not appear to be common. And you only dragged the argument that way, because the original point of contention was that you essentially called Snorri building the homage to the Ancestor dumb because he did not have a complete picture of him.
 
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I was mainly thinking it would be helpful to have a few runesmiths working their skills, casting active runes, and dispelling magic out in the field with the hearth guard. I hadn't even considered the political implications.
 
Jreengus said:
I was mainly thinking it would be helpful to have a few runesmiths working their skills, casting active runes, and dispelling magic out in the field with the hearth guard. I hadn't even considered the political implications.
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We can make equipment that does that better than the average runesmith.
 
pucflek said:
I think the belief that an artifact of the level that is explicitly said to steer fates of civilizations not having enough narrative effect to do just that is naive. We got too far from the initial point anyway.
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I think at this point I'm just putting my last word out there, I'm clearly not going to convince you.
But for everyone else:
Hypothetically, would you take me seriously if I said that I could convert anyone to Hinduism by painting a picture so beautiful that they just felt compelled to change their lifestyle?

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TotallyNotEvil said:
Where are you getting this from?

You are arguing with a mighty fine strawman there.
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pucfleks argument seems to begin and end with make a gronti so great that it can change the course of civilisations by existing and just stopping there.
Perhaps you can clarify where I'm losing the nuance but...
 
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