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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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UlseDovThur said:
Also,@soulcake, how viable does Snorri think it would be to make armor entirely out of Hearthstones, given their ability to enhance the ability of Runes placed on them? I doubt it would compare to Gromril obviously.
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Horribly. It's a gem for one thing, so that's already a mark against its practicality, and for another Armour Runes aren't going to work on it. You're misunderstanding what Hearthstones do. Runes don't get enhanced, the Runes enhance them by giving direction to their innate magic, at least that's the working theory that doesn't break a fundamental aspect of Runecraft.
 
Abhishek M said:
So next turn we finally going to finish the Zhafazul and put 2 actions into the Dronril, Dronwut action? We spend the favor for all four bonus help we could finish both next turn and have an action to spare.

For that what do you guys say to taking the wedding gift commission? We could do that Dragon Horn for the Dragon Hold idea from way back. That counts as a Talisman right?
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currently my thought is Gromril chain 1b and zhufazul. this will finish 1b of chain and zhufazul. it will also give us an idea as to how much work 2b will be to get chain
 
[X] Plan The Hearth Watch
-[X] [Commander Name]: Name the position of Commander for The Hearth Guard, or more accurately for Rudil, because the boy has found himself taking on many of the duties the position entails more by accident than any real desire for it.
--[X] Hearth Lord
-[X] [Champion Name]: Name the position of Champion of The Hearth Guard
--[X] Fire Keeper
-[X] [Champion Purpose]: What will the Champion's purpose be.
--[X] Exemplar: The Champion is to be the greatest example of what it means to be a Hearthwarden. One who understands intrinsically what your group entails and goes above and beyond to fulfill its stated purpose.
 
soulcake said:
Horribly. It's a gem for one thing, so that's already a mark against its practicality, and for another Armour Runes aren't going to work on it. You're misunderstanding what Hearthstones do. Runes don't get enhanced, the Runes enhance them by giving direction to their innate magic, at least that's the working theory that doesn't break a fundamental aspect of Runecraft.
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Figured, thought it was an interesting enough idea to get confirmation though. What about armor, on any runic item, with a large amount of Hearthstone in its construction/decoration? Does more Hearthstone mean a larger effect? Or does it follow Hearthstones heating levels and they try to maintain a certain level of consistent of output?
 
pucflek said:
Did you completely miss the second paragraph i wrote? I deadass said that its not just what is remembered, but what the emphasis is laid on in his worship. By wiki quote sourced to Stone & Steel:

"Grimnir is portrayed as a muscular Dwarf, his body covered with tattoos and ritual scars, wearing the spiked orange crest and exotic jewellery of a Slayer. He is clad in chain mail and is armed with the axe Az-Dreugidum ("Waraxe of Doom"). "

So he is remembered as primarily the Slayer. He does not go naked as Slayers are wont to do, but this is how he is apparently depicted in probably every temple through Karaz Ankor. Considering that mythical works are works that can steer the fates of entire race, i don't see why we shouldn't make something actually seriously goddamn impressive to relay his other Aspect properly. Pay some homage to it.
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TotallyNotEvil said:
Yes, just as he is acknowledging that his own point of view is in extreme minority as he got it by meeting Grimnir in the flesh.

Which is, to go back to my original post, more or less why the write-in was made. So that we could immortalize that side of Grimnir that so very few people have seen and is now more or less impossible to witness.
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I think that, if Grimnirs retinue who knew him unlike Snorri who bumped into him twice, and his clergy who dedicated their lives to following his example unlike Snorri. Both failed to keep that aspect of Grimnir culturally relevant then "What if we make a big statue" is just a ridiculously simplistic solution.
And if the plan was that this would work because Snorri would build such an exceptional work then I'm still dubious because there are dozens of better Runesmiths than him around who knew Grimnir better, for example, his nephew, Thungni.

And the second paragraph was irrelevant, I'm not arguing that in canon he's not mostly known as the Slayer God, I'm arguing that the statue won't be enough to change that.
 
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Yeah next turn we should do 1b and the water and then depending on how long part 2b is, do 3 actions into it and 1 into odd places. The mat sci is giving us major gains across the board so finishing odd places has gone up in priority. I'd like to skip the Gazul commission tbh. If we get chain done in time, the Valaya one will be enough for the prestige hit and after that we can go back to rune metal or alchemy or purification.
 
UlseDovThur said:
What about armor, on any runic item, with a large amount of Hearthstone in its construction/decoration? Does more Hearthstone mean a larger effect? Or does it follow Hearthstones heating levels and they try to maintain a certain level of consistent of output?
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The Rune has to be ON the Hearthstone for the effect to happen. Otherwise its just a shiny warm gem that does little except keep you warm.
 
[X] Plan The Hearth Watch

"Hearth Lord" just sounds much more like a position name that Dwarfs might come up with, to me. (And reasonably so, it being one of the original GM-provided options. :V) Like, "Lord of so and so" or "So-and-so Lord" sounds more Dwarfy. So that's what I'm going with. Naming our Commander "The First Flame" sounds just a bit too on the nose as far as Dark Souls references goes.

Hearth Lord I can actually, and easily, see being used in conversation. And being used to refer to a title or position a Dwarf might hold. (Like Miner Lord or Warrior Lord or Thunderer -- dwarf handgun -- or Ale, etc. Like that; Hearth.)

I just like the sound of it better, basically. :)
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
Yeah next turn we should do 1b and the water and then depending on how long part 2b is, do 3 actions into it and 1 into odd places. The mat sci is giving us major gains across the board so finishing odd places has gone up in priority. I'd like to skip the Gazul commission tbh. If we get chain done in time, the Valaya one will be enough for the prestige hit and after that we can go back to rune metal or alchemy or purification.
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The thing about the Gazul commission is that it's a way to get standing with them, something that is likely to be hard to get otherwise. Consider that for all we've done in the north the only cult we had any standing with at all was Valaya. We only got Gazul standing when we interacted with him personally and we don't have any standing with the others. Given the bonuses from standing are based on the power and resources of the group giving them cult bonuses are likely to be some of the best we can get so I'm all for any chance to gain standing with the cults. Especially when it's from something as easy as a simple request.
 
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Dark as Silver said:
I think that, if Grimnirs retinue who knew him unlike Snorri who bumped into him twice, and his clergy who dedicated their lives to following his example unlike Snorri. Both failed to keep that aspect of Grimnir culturally relevant then "What if we make a big statue" is just a ridiculously simplistic solution.
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This is also known as bystander syndrome, where everybody thinks somebody will do something about something, but noone does :V. Or it was not a priority, or Grimnirs retinue is made mostly of not-runesmiths or any number of things.

Regarding skills, Snorri has been deemed as worthy by 6 out of 7 Ancestor Gods, give him some credit there too. He is no slouch. Every little bit helps, seeing the fact our work is apparently the reason Dawi Zharr are currently not fucking up the east. Who would have thought making a big banner could help change course of fate, considering it was such ridiculously simplistic solution to a cultural problem we were not even aware existed :V.
 
Dark as Silver said:
I think that, if Grimnirs retinue who knew him unlike Snorri who bumped into him twice, and his clergy who dedicated their lives to following his example unlike Snorri. Both failed to keep that aspect of Grimnir culturally relevant then "What if we make a big statue" is just a ridiculously simplistic solution.
And if the plan was that this would work because Snorri would build such an exceptional work then I'm still dubious because there are dozens of better Runesmiths than him around who knew Grimnir better, for example, his nephew, Thungni.

And the second paragraph was irrelevant, I'm not arguing that in canon he's not mostly known as the Slayer God, I'm arguing that the statue won't be enough to change that.
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A memorial isn't going to change the world, but doesn't mean it's pointless, does it?
 
Jreengus said:
The thing about the Gazul commission is that it's a way to get standing with them, something that is likely to be hard to get otherwise. Consider that for all we've done in the north the only cult we had any standing with at all was Valaya. We only got Gazul standing when we interacted with him personally and we don't have any standing with the others. Given the bonuses from standing are based on the power and resources of the group giving them cult bonuses are likely to be some of the best we can get so I'm all for any chance to gain standing with the cults. Especially when it's from something as easy as a simple request.
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It's too many actions for my taste tbh.
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
It's too many actions for my taste tbh.
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I don't see an issue with it. I mean, sure, it would take 16 or so actions to do it at Peak Efficiency, but it would lead to pretty interesting plot hooks. Something like the below would work. We haven't really taken many commissions lately, and it would honestly be pretty damn cool to interact more with the Cult of Gazul. Hopefully doing both might make the other Cults interact with us more.

Turn 39: Armoured Maidens (4 actions, 6 progress)
Turn 40: Armoured Maidens (4 actions, 6 progress) (Armoured Maidens Finished) (One free action)
Turn 41: Grave Warden (5 actions, 7 progress)
Turn 42: Grave Warden (3 actions, 5 progress) (Grave Wardens Finished)

More importantly, equipping both of them with gromril chain (if it is indeed possible), would be an even bigger flex and would spread the word of our discovery further.
 
[X] Plan Hearth Souls
-[X] [Commander Name]: Name the position of Commander for The Hearth Guard, or more accurately for Rudil, because the boy has found himself taking on many of the duties the position entails more by accident than any real desire for it.
--[X] The First Flame
-[X] [Champion Name]: Name the position of Champion of The Hearth Guard
--[X] Fire Keeper
-[X] [Champion Purpose]: What will the Champion's purpose be.
--[X] Exemplar: The Champion is to be the greatest example of what it means to be a Hearthwarden. One who understands intrinsically what your group entails and goes above and beyond to fulfill its stated purpose.
 
MrHobbit said:
I don't see an issue with it. I mean, sure, it would take 16 or so actions to do it at Peak Efficiency, but it would lead to pretty interesting plot hooks. Something like the below would work. We haven't really taken many commissions lately, and it would honestly be pretty damn cool to interact more with the Cult of Gazul. Hopefully doing both might make the other Cults interact with us more.

Turn 39: Armoured Maidens (4 actions, 6 progress)
Turn 40: Armoured Maidens (4 actions, 6 progress) (Armoured Maidens Finished) (One free action)
Turn 41: Grave Warden (5 actions, 7 progress)
Turn 42: Grave Warden (3 actions, 5 progress) (Grave Wardens Finished)

More importantly, equipping both of them with gromril chain (if it is indeed possible), would be an even bigger flex and would spread the word of our discovery further.
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Aren't both of those like Elite equipment? Wouldn't they be Pure Gromril already? Would Gromril chain cover that?
 
Abhishek M said:
Aren't both of those like Elite equipment? Wouldn't they be Pure Gromril already? Would Gromril chain cover that?
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If it is possible to use gromril chain on this scale (keep in mind that Snorri is making the armor for the elites of the Cults), it would be used to supplement the armor. Even Barak Azamar has steel chainmail. Gromril chain would replace that part of the armor. It would not replace the plate.
 
soulcake said:
It's a question of outreach and range for the North. Toys take up space that more necessary supplies otherwise would, and there are not enough foundlings to take up that supply in the first place. Now if you had an independent delivery mechanism of sorts to offer such toys to all Dwarf Children, not just the foundlings, but the girls and boys too, over the Far North...
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Are you saying we should make a flying sled pulled by mechanical deers and actually become Santa? 🤨
 
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