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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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On the subject of elves I wonder if helping out the new hold will be what finally leads to Snorri meeting them. All it would take is Snorri traveling to Kraka Ravnsvake at the same time as an elgi caravan is there.
 
Jreengus said:
On the subject of elves I wonder if helping out the new hold will be what finally leads to Snorri meeting them. All it would take is Snorri traveling to Kraka Ravnsvake at the same time as an elgi caravan is there.
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Speaking of I wonder where the new Dum will be located.
-Map of the Far North-
I'm thinking it'll either be near the Vargs, Sarls, or, more unlikely I think, between the other Holds deep in the mountains.

On an unrelated note I didn't see Karak Krum on the map so I looked it up and learned that apparently it's located entirely within the Underway, which is interesting, I don't think that was mentioned in quest, but more to the point;
"The hold was already considered lost before the War of Vengence and following cataclysm. The dwarfs there found a glowing rock and soon after, no news were heard from them in Karaz-a-Karak. A search party lead by Snorri and Morgrim found nothing but exceptionally large rats inhabiting the ruins. While fighting the rats, Snorris fingers were bitten off and we came to be known as Snorri Halfhand."

..... So ...... that's concerning.
 
UlseDovThur said:
Speaking of I wonder where the new Dum will be located.
-Map of the Far North-

I'm thinking it'll either be near the Vargs, Sarls, or, more unlikely I think, between the other Holds deep in the mountains.

On an unrelated note I didn't see Karak Krum on the map so I looked it up and learned that apparently it's located entirely within the Underway, which is interesting, I don't think that was mentioned in quest, but more to the point;
"The hold was already considered lost before the War of Vengence and following cataclysm. The dwarfs there found a glowing rock and soon after, no news were heard from them in Karaz-a-Karak. A search party lead by Snorri and Morgrim found nothing but exceptionally large rats inhabiting the ruins. While fighting the rats, Snorris fingers were bitten off and we came to be known as Snorri Halfhand."

..... So ...... that's concerning.
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That feels like an error on point of whoever wrote that, as the fall of Tylos and the advent of the Skaven didn't happen until about -1800 IC or about 200 years after the start of the war of vengeance and even then they were busy for a couple of hundred years with their war with Nagash.
 
tygerbright said:
That feels like an error on point of whoever wrote that, as the fall of Tylos and the advent of the Skaven didn't happen until about -1800 IC or about 200 years after the start of the war of vengeance and even then they were busy for a couple of hundred years with their war with Nagash.
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Well the link it provides on the "exceptionaly large rats" just goes to a page on the giant rats that clan moulder created, which is clearly not right, so I don't think it was the Skaven in Krum but more their... progenitor species? Like apes are for humans. Maybe. By no means am I a warhammer lore master so *shrug*.

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Karak Krum

Karak Krum was an ancient dwarf hold located deep under the Ungdrin Ankor. The hold was already considered lost before the War of Vengeance and following cataclysm. The dwarfs there found a glowing rock and soon after, no news were heard from them in Karaz-a-Karak. A search party lead by Snorri...
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UlseDovThur said:
Well the link it provides on the "exceptionaly large rats" just goes to a page on the giant rats that clan moulder created, which is clearly not right, so I don't think it was the Skaven in Krum but more their... progenitor species? Like apes are for humans. Maybe. By no means am I a warhammer lore master so *shrug*.

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Karak Krum

Karak Krum was an ancient dwarf hold located deep under the Ungdrin Ankor. The hold was already considered lost before the War of Vengeance and following cataclysm. The dwarfs there found a glowing rock and soon after, no news were heard from them in Karaz-a-Karak. A search party lead by Snorri...
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ethier way hopefully with the increase focus underway and underground defence has gotten it might just be a bad attack at most

also looking at the map are their any new major holds to west of us?
 
Could be with the new wave of colonisation mentioned in the Valaya request we will see holds settled there. We need to eventually get Norsca covered in holds.
 
I think Karak Krum was the the underground portion of the city of Kavzar were the dwarfs lived before it became Skavenblight , I theorizes this because of the mention of giant rats and the mention of a great glowing rock which I believe was the either the bell of thirteen or the pillar of commandments
 
mmgaballah said:
I think Karak Krum was the the underground portion of the city of Kavzar were the dwarfs lived before it became Skavenblight , I theorizes this because of the mention of giant rats and the mention of a great glowing rock which I believe was the either the bell of thirteen or the pillar of commandments
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Nah, Skavenblight is located between Bretonnia, Tilea, and Estonia. Krum however is listed as a Hold of the Far North.
 
UlseDovThur said:
Well the link it provides on the "exceptionaly large rats" just goes to a page on the giant rats that clan moulder created, which is clearly not right, so I don't think it was the Skaven in Krum but more their... progenitor species? Like apes are for humans. Maybe. By no means am I a warhammer lore master so *shrug*.
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Tylos is where the Horned Rat succeeded but there's no evidence that I'm aware of that says Tylos was the Horned Rat's only attempt at Skaven.

Truth be told, I find it very fitting. I mean the archetypal Skaven achieving something on the first try without it turning into a disaster that is rightfully blamed on someone else? Yeah, I don't believe that.
 
On the topic of Snerra and Fjolla not having any Deeds, I see three possibilities:

1) Opportunities for them to accomplish Deeds are not cropping up, which should not be that surprising. As some have said, for all their talent, they don't get involved in "extraordinary" circumstances like Dolgi has.

2) Opportunities for Deeds are cropping up, but for whatever reason they're not taking it. This could be because something else is of a higher priority for them and therefore gets more "actions".

3) Opportunities for Deeds are cropping up and they're devoting "actions" towards them, but there has been no results. It could be because they rolled poorly and their accomplishments aren't worthy of being called Deeds, or because they are still ongoing.
 
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EldritchObserver said:
On the topic of Snerra and Fjolla not having any Deeds, I see three possibilities:

1) Opportunities for them to accomplish Deeds are not cropping up, which should not be that surprising. As some have said, for all their talent, they don't get involved in "extraordinary" circumstances like Dolgi has.

2) Opportunities for Deeds are cropping up, but for whatever reason they're not taking it. This could be because something else is of a higher priority for them and therefore get more "actions".

3) Opportunities for Deeds are cropping up and they're devoting "actions" towards them, but there has been no results. It could be because they rolled poorly and their accomplishments aren't worthy of being called Deeds, or because they are still ongoing.
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I'm pretty sure its mostly 3) for them, mostly in the sense of them not presenting results yet. Snerra is working on something, but we haven't seen what that is yet.
 
Undead-Spaceman said:
In all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Snerra is becomes one of the pioneers of Elgi & Dawi collaboration. She's incredibly brilliant and her general attitude would probably infinitely easier to work with than many of her peers. Also, I feel like her specialty in talismans and banners would especially appeal to the Elven vanity on top of that.
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Fjolla is known for her jewelry, so she'd have a good chance of appealing to Elven vanity as well.
 
Hydroplatypus said:
I think part of the reason is that there are just so many runesmiths in the hold, that legendary opportunities would tend to be given to the Runelords of the hold, or the older master runesmiths, rather than to them. Not easy to stand out when you have so many experts in the area.
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Hmm, yeah, the fact that there are Five Runelords in the Hold probably isn't doing them any favours. In a way Dolgi side stepped the issue by getting in on the ground floor with the Brana.

They might be best served if they move shop to the new Dum. They'll be the apprentices of the Silver Ancestor and there will be plenty of work.
 
UlseDovThur said:
Hmm, yeah, the fact that there are Five Runelords in the Hold probably isn't doing them any favours. In a way Dolgi side stepped the issue by getting in on the ground floor with the Brana.

They might be best served if they move shop to the new Dum. They'll be the apprentices of the Silver Ancestor and there will be plenty of work.
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It does need runesmiths, so that would be pretty good for them. Though I'm not sure either of them will move while they still have apprentices.
 
Bah! Foolish beardlings. If they want a legendary deed they should just get blackout drunk, swear a ridiculous oath, then follow through after they wake up. If it works for Snorri it should work for them.
 
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Ekzentric Lohner said:
Fjolla is known for her jewelry, so she'd have a good chance of appealing to Elven vanity as well.
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Hm, that's right, both Fjolla and Snerra are pretty good at Talismans...


Hey, do you guys think we could use the wardstones we got from Karag Dum as a challenge and 'homework' test for them?

[Talisman] Wardstones x5 [Rune of ???, Rune of Preservation]

They are Talismans, after all. Maybe our former Apprentices will enjoy the challenge. Maybe they'll rise to the occasion and please or meet Snorri's expectations.

Meanwhile, our current Apprentices are good at Talisman Runes (Nain, Exceptional) and Odd and Esoteric Runes (Karstah). So maybe they'd benefit from seeing their elders take a crack at some Talismans too, and trying themselves.
 
Garlak said:
Hm, that's right, both Fjolla and Snerra are pretty good at Talismans...


Hey, do you guys think we could use the wardstones we got from Karag Dum as a challenge and 'homework' test for them?

[Talisman] Wardstones x5 [Rune of ???, Rune of Preservation]

They are Talismans, after all. Maybe our former Apprentices will enjoy the challenge. Maybe they'll rise to the occasion and please or meet Snorri's expectations.

Meanwhile, our current Apprentices are good at Talisman Runes (Nain, Exceptional) and Odd and Esoteric Runes (Karstah). So maybe they'd benefit from seeing their elders take a crack at some Talismans too, and trying themselves.
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Hmm, speaking of the Wardstones some upscaled versions would be great to add to the Karaks defenses. Prevent enemy scrying on the Hold.
 
UlseDovThur said:
Hmm, speaking of the Wardstones some upscaled versions would be great to add to the Karaks defenses. Prevent enemy scrying on the Hold.
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Plus I'm sure we can improve it. The wardstones were the last works of the Dum runesmiths but they were harried and hardly had the best reagents and tools given how much they were being attacked by the Frundar. I'll bet that with study Snorri can make an improved version of the things. Hell. A stationary version that is both stronger and can cover the whole karak for example.

Edit: woops, didn't notice that post that I was trying to type out before this reply. Fixed.
 
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Its worth noting that there's an abandoned Elven city in Norsca's forest of knives. Supposedly it was even founded pre Great Incursion, and abandoned in the aftermath. With the Dawi's hold on Norsca far stronger, I could easily see the Elgi coming back to settle it again.
 
MonkeyTypewriter said:
Its worth noting that there's an abandoned Elven city in Norsca's forest of knives. Supposedly it was even founded pre Great Incursion, and abandoned in the aftermath. With the Dawi's hold on Norsca far stronger, I could easily see the Elgi coming back to settle it again.
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hmmm maybe but I think that depends on what relationship between dawi and elves are if it the same as otl then prob not, but if it better than otl and closer which I think it may be then their a decent chance
 
Hmmm, war with elves, runesmiths drafted en mass, most of them are Dolgi's. Would a runesmith formation be called a Dolgi?

also if all apprentice runesmiths are dolgi's and snorri trains enough of them, gains trait to train more, would it just end up being a tradition for eldest dolgi to be sent to be accepted by snorri?

House of Dolgi, those who learn the art of runemaking from Snorri the maker of Dolgis
 
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