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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Xantalos said:
This is awesome. It really highlights how any dawi, no matter how old and wise, is basically just a cantankerous hobbyist that mostly wants to be left to tinker with their models and grumble about the cost of paint or whatnot nowadays.
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Brogi's dearest wish is to tend to his plant and shoot the shit with his friends over a beer.

Frankly, Brogi is a mood.
 
Xantalos said:
This is awesome. It really highlights how any dawi, no matter how old and wise, is basically just a cantankerous hobbyist that mostly wants to be left to tinker with their models and grumble about the cost of paint or whatnot nowadays.
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I would if they play warhammer table top?
 
soulcake said:
He reckons aye. He's familiar enough with the Rune to believe he can make it with different sorts of hearts and get it to work.

Symbolically speaking, a heart's a heart after all. Not as much core nuance as with a Brain, an eye or a hand or what have you.
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Huh, fascinating.

Do we have any idea whether they'd be worse -- or merely somehow different, have different quirks perhaps -- than Troll hearts?

Because I've been hoping to send the Hearth Guard, and use Princely Hunting, to send the Retainers and the Prince out on a hunt for Tier 4 (or Tier 4) Greedy Troll Hearts in preparation for awesome Gronti ideas (as they'd be the next best thing to a T5 Greedy Troll), but if we can just use one of the Dragon Ogre Shaggoth Hearts we have lying around... ... Though, those probably are "meant" for some kind of specific Master Rune, perhaps a Lightning-themed or an upgraded version of a Lightning-themed, one. Perhaps something to do with Toughness or hard skin, or striking hard blows, or who knows...

Actually, come to think of it. Can some of those hearts -- like Dragon, Dragon Ogre or Dragon Ogre Shaggoth Hearts -- be used for the Master Rune of Unyielding too? Like we used the Greedy Troll's Heart for it?
 
Also, spoiler for some things that changed.

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Titles: The Undaunted, Embermane, Ruby-head, Crank-arm, Sky-Armourer, Griffonfriend, Da, Branawongr (Brana Friend)
Age: Born c. -118 B.P. 350 Years Old by Dwarf reckoning
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Reputation:
Among the Dawi, he is known as a fine and dependable dwarf in the same vein as his master. Productive though he is, he cannot yet compete with the staggeringly large amount of equipment his teacher can produce when roused, and since he has deepened his relationship with the Brana isn't likely to find the impetus to. To the Branakroki, he is known as "He Who Girds the Many", for his skill in crafting fine plate armour and dangerous weapons that make them all the more deadly. What had started off a simple repayment has become a source of income and friendship, trading fine armour and equipment for reagents and information. Both dwarf and Brana can agree that the lad has a penchant for getting himself injured and is helpless before the gaze of his wife. A proud father of eight. For his deeds and acts, has earned he and his line the title of Branawongr, "Brana Friend," forevermore. Few Dawi can inspire respect and none can inspire loyalty among these feathered folk among the Dawi more than he has.
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Deeds:
Legendary Deed: Branawongr
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Garlak said:
or merely somehow different,
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different in terms of expression. IC, the belief is that Troll Hearts work because they're the symbolic source of a Troll's unnatural levels of regeneration or life energy. Something useful for animating that which is not alive yes? But as Snorri is slowly starting to learn, Troll's are also hungry, and that hunger may also play a part in why a Troll heart is the principle Master Rune of Waking reagent.

So those other hearts... they represent that same life force, but the connection to hunger isn't as intense since theres other connotations.
 
Garlak said:
Huh, fascinating.

Do we have any idea whether they'd be worse -- or merely somehow different, have different quirks perhaps -- than Troll hearts?

Because I've been hoping to send the Hearth Guard, and use Princely Hunting, to send the Retainers and the Prince out on a hunt for Tier 4 (or Tier 4) Greedy Troll Hearts in preparation for awesome Gronti ideas (as they'd be the next best thing to a T5 Greedy Troll), but if we can just use one of the Dragon Ogre Shaggoth Hearts we have lying around... ... Though, those probably are "meant" for some kind of specific Master Rune, perhaps a Lightning-themed or an upgraded version of a Lightning-themed, one. Perhaps something to do with Toughness or hard skin, or striking hard blows, or who knows...

Actually, come to think of it. Can some of those hearts -- like Dragon, Dragon Ogre or Dragon Ogre Shaggoth Hearts -- be used for the Master Rune of Unyielding too? Like we used the Greedy Troll's Heart for it?
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I doubt it. MUnyielding calls for Stonehorn Horns, pretty sure the Greedy Ones Heart was a one off in this regard, something that we could have used on basically any Rune if we wanted.
 
soulcake said:
He reckons aye. He's familiar enough with the Rune to believe he can make it with different sorts of hearts and get it to work.

Symbolically speaking, a heart's a heart after all. Not as much core nuance as with a Brain, an eye or a hand or what have you.
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different in terms of expression. IC, the belief is that Troll Hearts work because they're the symbolic source of a Troll's unnatural levels of regeneration or life energy. Something useful for animating that which is not alive yes? But as Snorri is slowly starting to learn, Troll's are also hungry, and that hunger may also play a part in why a Troll heart is the principle Master Rune of Waking reagent.

So those other hearts... they represent that same life force, but the connection to hunger isn't as intense since theres other connotations.
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Is this a case of him finding out he never actually needed Troll hearts specifically, or him getting the skill to stretch the requirements? It sounds like the latter to me, with the ingredient merely serving as a crutch, or his skill serving to stretch what the MRune encompassed in terms of materials utilized.
 
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soulcake said:
different in terms of expression. IC, the belief is that Troll Hearts work because they're the symbolic source of a Troll's unnatural levels of regeneration or life energy. Something useful for animating that which is not alive yes? But as Snorri is slowly starting to learn, Troll's are also hungry, and that hunger may also play a part in why a Troll heart is the principle Master Rune of Waking reagent.

So those other hearts... they represent that same life force, but the connection to hunger isn't as intense since theres other connotations.
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Hmm, Dragon Ogres would probably have a similar level of hunger as the Trolls. They might not have the same level of 'energy consumption'? I don't think they would have the regeneration, probably wouldn't be able to draw the energy as effectively. Hmm.

It'd probably be good to Understand the Master Rune of Awakening before delving too deep into changing the regents.
 
soulcake said:
different in terms of expression.
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So those other hearts... they represent that same life force, but the connection to hunger isn't as intense since theres other connotations.
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So the Dragon Ogre or Dragon Ogre Shaggoth Hearts-sourced Gronti, for example, might draw in lightning to them or be energized a bit if hit by lightning. (And at some point, might require lightning to wake, when it gets to the same point where Gronti would be unable to wake up like any other Gronti.) Or maybe just suggests that a Dragon Ogre heart-based MWaking Gronti would react better if they also had a Lightning Rune inscribed on them. (MWaking, Lightning, Empowerment? For the ultimate "I want my Gronti to have a Supermode with a decades-long cooldown" button.) Because Dragon Ogres need thunderstorms to be able to really energize and wake up, and so have that association.

Trouble is, Dragon Ogres (and Dragon Ogre Shaggoths) also have associations... with going to sleep, for really really long times. Which is exactly what you DON'T want for your Gronti! Sure, that MWaking + Lightning + Empowerment combo would work well... but I bet that it would have the, quite obvious, effect of having an extra long cooldown time because Dragon Ogre Shaggoths spend a lot of time sleeping and waiting for epic thunderstorms.

Whereas Dragon hearts, for example, would have a connection to... well, a wind of magic, I guess. Hm.

You know what could make for a pretty good Gronti MWaking rune ingredient?

A Sky Titan's heart. (Upside: myths about some mountains having been titans or giants. Obvious downside: it's a thinking being and not somebody we have a grudge with, so.) Or a Giant's heart...

Or a Stonehorn. Which are beasts said to be like living fossilized stone.

"for each Stonehorn is quite literally a living fossil, its skeleton hardened by the same rock as the mountains where it makes its home. As legendary as their hardiness is their belligerence; in fact it is said that a Stonehorn will take any opportunity to headbutt something to death and trample its corpse into paste. Such is its colossal mass that the impact of its charge is like a boulder plummeting from a mountaintop, a deadly combination of weight, momentum and a bad temper."
soulcake said:
But as Snorri is slowly starting to learn, Troll's are also hungry, and that hunger may also play a part in why a Troll heart is the principle Master Rune of Waking reagent.
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Hunger, really? Huh. Is that because life -- living beings -- are hungry? Hmm...

Also, remembered something I'd wanted to add a while back:
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"Speaking of Lords, do you mind sharing what you saw when you looked at that mammoth?" you broach, taking another swig of your mug.

"Age, wisdom, power. The snarling wind is strong in its flesh, yet its mind remains wholly its own. It reminds me of our Lord, a fascinating thing to be witness to."
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That's probably the Amber Wind, Ghur, huh? Like the King of the Skies is strong in Azyr, the Celestial Wind.
 
Garlak said:
Hunger, really? Huh. Is that because life -- living beings -- are hungry? Hmm...
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Hunger is useful because to pull off the animation effect takes a lot of energy, see them fading when that energy isn't there. The hungrier they are, the better they can reach for the deep magic and other fuel sources in a metaphysical sense.
 
Garlak said:
So the Dragon Ogre or Dragon Ogre Shaggoth Hearts-sourced Gronti, for example, might draw in lightning to them or be energized a bit if hit by lightning. (And at some point, might require lightning to wake, when it gets to the same point where Gronti would be unable to wake up like any other Gronti.) Or maybe just suggests that a Dragon Ogre heart-based MWaking Gronti would react better if they also had a Lightning Rune inscribed on them. (MWaking, Lightning, Empowerment? For the ultimate "I want my Gronti to have a Supermode with a decades-long cooldown" button.) Because Dragon Ogres need thunderstorms to be able to really energize and wake up, and so have that association.

Trouble is, Dragon Ogres (and Dragon Ogre Shaggoths) also have associations... with going to sleep, for really really long times. Which is exactly what you DON'T want for your Gronti! Sure, that MWaking + Lightning + Empowerment combo would work well... but I bet that it would have the, quite obvious, effect of having an extra long cooldown time because Dragon Ogre Shaggoths spend a lot of time sleeping and waiting for epic thunderstorms.

Whereas Dragon hearts, for example, would have a connection to... well, a wind of magic, I guess. Hm.

You know what could make for a pretty good Gronti MWaking rune ingredient?

A Sky Titan's heart. (Upside: myths about some mountains having been titans or giants. Obvious downside: it's a thinking being and not somebody we have a grudge with, so.) Or a Giant's heart...

Or a Stonehorn. Which are beasts said to be like living fossilized stone.

"for each Stonehorn is quite literally a living fossil, its skeleton hardened by the same rock as the mountains where it makes its home. As legendary as their hardiness is their belligerence; in fact it is said that a Stonehorn will take any opportunity to headbutt something to death and trample its corpse into paste. Such is its colossal mass that the impact of its charge is like a boulder plummeting from a mountaintop, a deadly combination of weight, momentum and a bad temper."

Hunger, really? Huh. Is that because life -- living beings -- are hungry? Hmm...

Also, remembered something I'd wanted to add a while back:

That's probably the Amber Wind, Ghur, huh? Like the King of the Skies is strong in Azyr, the Celestial Wind.
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I don't think Dragon Ogre Heart Gronti would have much of a problem. We have the Brana after all.

Edit: There's also the fact that we have Barak Azamar and Zharrgal to help the Gronti we make draw even greater amounts of Deep Magic to power them.
 
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Yeah, it's the sort of thing that isn't an issue, until it becomes a problem 3 thousand years down the line when Gronti start slowing down and sleeping. Or if somebody overuses the expensive super-mode on the Gronti. Still, it is true that having Branakroki around makes it easier to recharge lightning-guzzling Gronti. Uniquely-suitable-for-the-far-north type of Gronti variant.

... Hm. There was that talk of a Griffon Gronti. One made with a Brana's heart. (If it were made to honor a Brana or something, for example, and made for the Brana's family as a guardian/aid it would be less-weird, I think it was said.) That'd get you ice and lightning. Of course, Brana also are beings of the skies rather than the deep earth, so...
 
First off @BungieONI great Omake I loved it!

Now it's great seeing Dolgi make it so far by himself! But I do find it funny that he is by far the most successful of our students just comes to show that Talent doesn't necessarily mean most successful! So keep it up Dolgi I hope you become the First Runelord amongst our students!
 
I don't see the problem with making combat-speccd Gronti that require the addition of lightning to get jump started given the Brana

As sentinels of last resort thatd more or less be the ideal turn of events, wouldnt it?
 
Well as it stands the two Gronti I want to make the most right now are these;

-The Drakk-
Master Rune of Waking(Magma Wyrm Heart)
Rune of Fire(Dragon Gas Sac)x2

An utterly colossal Gronti in the shape of a mighty Wyrm. Standing 8 to 10 meters at the shoulder, 30 to 40 meters from nose to tail tip, made completely from solid Dawi steel blackened to a coal like darkness and covered in the Gromril Spines of Haruzildrakk.

The reason for the use of Dragon Gas Sacs as the reagents for the Runes of Fire is the fact that the Gas Sacs are the organ that allow a Dragon to Breath its fire so my logic is that they will allow the Gronti to Breathe fire like an actual dragon.

I also had the idea to supplement that reagents with Prismatic Dragons Blood as I am fairly certain that we would be able to add it to dragonic reagents to enhance their power. This should also enhance the Dragonic nature of the Gronti itself on some level.

In addition I also had the idea of equipping it with a Banner or Talisman;
Master Rune of Fear/Dismay (Elder Shardwyrm Blood)
Rune of Dismay (Giant Cave Spider Venom)x2

Get some classic "Dragonic Fear Aura" going.

-The Thunder Caller-
Master Rune of Waking(Dragon Ogre Shaggoth Heart)
Rune of Lightning(Dragon Ogre Blood)
Rune of Spelleating

-Hammer
Master Rune of Thunderbolts(Shaggoth Blood)
Rune of Grungni(Oathgold)
Rune of Fury

A 12 meter tall Gronti made entirely of Lodesteel. Rune of Spelleating is to enhance/give it its/the ability to absorb lightning like a Dragon Ogre and being made completely of Lodesteel, a magnetic material, should enhance its electrical abilities.
 
The Thundercaller genuinely isnt a bad idea for a one off Gronti

Itd make for a fine experiment while iterating towards The Valient imo

Maybe put a lightning-attracting Runic combo on a massive tower shield? Then it can get a Talisman and Banner geared towards mobility and spelleating stuff in general

Less an anti-Daemon setup, and more a ridiculous defensive emplacement for Kraka Drakk given the perpetual storm being present thanks to the Brana
 
Hydroplatypus said:
This was tested a while ago. The prismatic dragon's blood gives the exact same effects as regular dragon's blood. It would not empower things beyond the regular effects.
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I think there was a miss understanding on your part. Prismatic Dragons Blood can be used as a seamless replacement for any dragonic reagent of its tier and below for the Runes that call for them. So it could be used in place of a Dragons Gas Sac or a Dragons Lung.

I think it can be used to enhance dragonic reagents is because it's clear that the blood has been reduced to a base state where it's nature is purely "dragon" as opposed to the more nuanced nature of the various parts of a dragon.

Edit: As such I think that if it is used in conjunction with another dragonic reagent it will simply latch onto the reagent and "follow its lead" as it were in regards to its metaphysical nature. Make the other reagent simply more of what it already is.
 
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UlseDovThur said:
You know, for all of Fjolla's and Snerra's talent Dolgi is far and away the most accomplished apprentice of Snorri's
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It's honestly inspiring. Like, irl kind of inspiring. Talent is not all and all that.

But I get this bad feeling that Snerra kind of... ceased to exist outside of being a teacher to apprentices?
You'd think having this much talent would pretty much ensure more legendary works.
 
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PurposefulZephyr said:
It's honestly inspiring. Like, irl kind of inspiring. Talent is not all and all that.

But I get this bad feeling that Snerra kind of... ceased to exist outside of being a teacher to apprentices?
You'd think having this much talent would pretty much ensure more legendary works.
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It's a matter of working on her foundations I think. By taking on apprentices she gets a better handle on how utterly ridiculous Snorri is by comparison, and a chance to look at her own knowledge through new eyes. I think she goes over this in one of the snippets from her perspective
 
TehChron said:
It's a matter of working on her foundations I think. By taking on apprentices she gets a better handle on how utterly ridiculous Snorri is by comparison, and a chance to look at her own knowledge through new eyes. I think she goes over this in one of the snippets from her perspective
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I don't think this needs to be spoilered, but where did Snerra talk about foundations?
 
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