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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Stylph said:
You know. I'm morbidly curious as to what would happen if you throw Snorri at the Vortex.
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My bet is something similar to running a power main through a cheap resistor. Unless he landed somewhere delicate I doubt it'd hurt anything.If it was that easy to disrupt Chaos would have tried throwing bearded rocks through the elves' windows at some point in canon.
 
I mean, messing with the vortex in such a fashion would require either conquering the inner kingdoms or forcing the Strait of Lothern, and I don't think Chaos has ever been able to do either before the End Times. The Strait of Lothern probably gives Barak Var deep feelings of inadequacy when it comes to naval fortifications, since its the single most important water passage on the planet, and held by the most powerful naval power in the world.
 
I just had a funny thought of a scene where the latest Everchosen in the canon timeline enacts this huge ritual to try and bring forth even more reinforcements from the endless possibilities of time and space. The ritual seems to be going perfectly, but at the height of the power, the Everchosen gets a very strange feeling from The Changer of Ways. One which could best be summarized as "Uh oh".

Cue Krakka Drak in it's entirety being ripped through space-time and then imposed on the Chaos Wastes. A full third of the Everchosen's army would probably perish as Snorri's anti-magic triggered and removed the forces that were keeping the abominations alive. And then the Sky King and the Father of Mammoths decide to say hello and another third of the army dies under ice and lightning.
 
TempestK said:
I just had a funny thought of a scene where the latest Everchosen in the canon timeline enacts this huge ritual to try and bring forth even more reinforcements from the endless possibilities of time and space. The ritual seems to be going perfectly, but at the height of the power, the Everchosen gets a very strange feeling from The Changer of Ways. One which could best be summarized as "Uh oh".

Cue Krakka Drak in it's entirety being ripped through space-time and then imposed on the Chaos Wastes. A full third of the Everchosen's army would probably perish as Snorri's anti-magic triggered and removed the forces that were keeping the abominations alive. And then the Sky King and the Father of Mammoths decide to say hello and another third of the army dies under ice and lightning.
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Why would Tzeentch be upset about that? Pulling an Aku sounds like something he'd find hilarious.
 
MonkeyTypewriter said:
I mean, messing with the vortex in such a fashion would require either conquering the inner kingdoms or forcing the Strait of Lothern, and I don't think Chaos has ever been able to do either before the End Times. The Strait of Lothern probably gives Barak Var deep feelings of inadequacy when it comes to naval fortifications, since its the single most important water passage on the planet, and held by the most powerful naval power in the world.
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they only ever did it during the first chaos invasion and the second invasion of Ulthuan where Caledor stopped it and never again. The end timessaw the elves beat the shit out of each other, Chaos never even landed on Ultuan iirc.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Why would Tzeentch be upset about that? Pulling an Aku sounds like something he'd find hilarious.
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Mainly because the other Three blame him for what happened. Also Krakka Drak appearing would mean that the millenia of work the forces of Chaos have put into wearing the dwarves down to nothing has been set back horribly. Not completely undone, but... it's a new base for them to build off of.
 
A thought that occurred to me about the Dwarf population decline in canon timeline...if we assume that the numbers we're getting in quest are consistent, i.e. about 4 or so children across the marriage unless they are...*ahem* Dolgi levels active, then perhaps part of the issue is that for dwarves they're having to start in the equivalent of their 20s and never really get a chance to have more than one before...ya know.

I wonder if that'd be another thing that'd horrify Snorri.
 
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[Lyrics] Valka's Last Stand, +10 to a Local RER Roll [USED]
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    • Valka's Last Stand​



    "Speech"= Horgrimm

    "Speech"= Valka

    "Speech"=skaljd's POV

    "Speech"= Snorri'




    Excerpt from "The Saga of the Reclamation of Karak Dum."




    "Was this challenge meant for me Oathbreaker Queen?"

    "You look pathetic, such a shameful visage."

    "At last, Horgrimm I have cornered you abomination!"

    "Words uttered by a relic of ancient dogma and enslavement!"

    "You've had centuries to accept Hashut's ascension now, do you surrender?"

    "I need not acceptance nor surrender when I have lead...

    "A Runelord here!"

    "NO!"

    Drawing deep the Gift Giver halted the spells that fed the Beast, to silence it.

    He channeled all the strength of the gods, their struggle desperately relying on him.

    And from his peripheral sight he could no longer see a frail waif devoid of her might.

    But a righteous Kvinn of defiance, who'd not lost the will to fight!

    He saw the Princess lash out in wrath, her blows deflected away from their path.

    Despite the wrongs she had endured, it was clear she would fight and live as she swore.

    Horgrimm then returned the strike, his blow cutting through heirloom and armor alike.

    His face a mix of contempt and glee, the eyes of one who can feed off misery!

    "You can never be forgiven for the things that you've done!

    "And so it falls to my hands to end the Prodigal Ones!"

    "You cannot imagine the generous bounty of Hashut!"

    "Those things I'd never even wish to know!"

    "There is still a chance for your submission.

    "Imagine the untold glories we could rise to."

    "That you think I seek any glory has shown the true depths your treachery sunk to."

    "I recall the virtues we stood for!"

    "I recall the struggles and grudges we have borne!"

    "I will not be deterred from my Vengeance!"

    "I remember the lessons passed on from the Gods!"

    "I am one of the Ancestor's children!"

    "I am Queen Valka, and I am the ruler of Dum!"

    "So I reject him from now and for always!"

    To strike you down I have battled for countless nights!"

    Approving of the things he heard, the Gift Giver spoke clearly, above the din

    "Karag Dum deserve better than you 'oh Prophet', Karag Dum deserves better than Hashut as well!"

    With but touch of his rune the spells are broken and relieved of their might

    the Prophet scrambling to salvage the his work with desperation as his Doom approaches fast.

    "Although his rebirth is stymied now."

    "Hashut's wrath will make you all pay."


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    allo, based on this song at this mark in particular. If anything fits the level of betrayal and desire for revenge that's in this song, it would be the Princess facing off against the Prophet. hope you all like especially @soulcake
     
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    A thought that occurred to me about the Dwarf population decline in canon timeline...if we assume that the numbers we're getting in quest are consistent, i.e. about 4 or so children across the marriage unless they are...*ahem* Dolgi levels active, then perhaps part of the issue is that for dwarves they're having to start in the equivalent of their 20s and never really get a chance to have more than one before...ya know.

    I wonder if that'd be another thing that'd horrify Snorri.
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    And then he learns about what the chaos dwarves have been doing.
     
    TempestK said:
    Snorri: "Where the HELL are the Brana?!"
    Thorgrim: "The what?"
    Snorri: "Oh Ancestors." :facepalm:
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    "Fine, I'll take the Underway to Kraka Drakk to get to the bottom of this business."

    "What do you mean Rhunrikki? The Underway never made it to the Northern Holds and they were lost in the Great war of chaos."

    "...I could not have made that much of a difference, I am just a runelord as any other. I am *Not* pivotal at all!"
     
    Idle musing: The Rule of Pride may be, in this era, a Progressive notion.

    No, seriously. Think about it. Dawi are all about TRADITION. And DOING THINGS THE SAME WAY. They're going to try to advance, yes, but slowly, carefully, and with deep concern.

    The Rule of Pride literally forces them to not do that. By interpretation as of now, the fact you HAVE to make New Shit frequently and often, by Dawi standards, forces you to progress. Quite hard.

    In canon they're so degraded it's ruinous, yes, but in this era it's ultimately a boon as there's enough Runes you don't have to painstakingly research each and every last new one by digging it up from the corpses of old lore.
     
    ArchAIngel said:
    Idle musing: The Rule of Pride may be, in this era, a Progressive notion.
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    Well thats a take. Its easy to see Dwarf politics fall along our own sensibilities, but a Conservative Runesmith is just a Runesmith who fervently adheres to the Rules Thungni *laid out* so to speak ( by which I mean, the codified interpretation of his earliest apprentices).

    The ultimate twist, Thungi was so smart he used the Dwarf's innate Conservatism to introduce and promote Progressivism. That's a really neat take and I'll be forthright in my admittance that it's not something I considered when discussing the differences between a Radical and Conservative Runesmith, the more I think on it the more memetic and neat it becomes frankly. So that's a whopping +4 Snazz points for you.


     
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    ...Well that was unexpected. Huh. I thought it would be obvious.

    Well, I now have Snazz Points, Thungni knows what that does. I'm very confused now.
     
    ArchAIngel said:
    Idle musing: The Rule of Pride may be, in this era, a Progressive notion.

    No, seriously. Think about it. Dawi are all about TRADITION. And DOING THINGS THE SAME WAY. They're going to try to advance, yes, but slowly, carefully, and with deep concern.

    The Rule of Pride literally forces them to not do that. By interpretation as of now, the fact you HAVE to make New Shit frequently and often, by Dawi standards, forces you to progress. Quite hard.

    In canon they're so degraded it's ruinous, yes, but in this era it's ultimately a boon as there's enough Runes you don't have to painstakingly research each and every last new one by digging it up from the corpses of old lore.
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    Well thats a take. Its easy to see Dwarf politics fall along our own sensibilities, but a Conservative Runesmith is just a Runesmith who fervently adheres to the Rules Thungni *laid out* so to speak ( by which I mean, the codified interpretation of his earliest apprentices).

    The ultimate twist, Thungi was so smart he used the Dwarf's innate Conservatism to introduce and promote Progressivism. That's a really neat take and I'll be forthright in my admittance that it's not something I considered when discussing the differences between a Radical and Conservative Runesmith, the more I think on it the more memetic and neat it becomes frankly. So that's a whopping +4 Snazz points for you.


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    Another, also interesting and compatible interpretation I think is the possibility that as the Rules were determined by Thungni's apprentices watching what he did in his day to day activities they are in some respects those apprentices own attempts at interpreting and explaining the reasoning behind his behavior. If Thungni galaxy brain's an idea to try and encourage his followers to make lots of New Stuff, well what he needs to do is simple. Make a bunch of new stuff all the time, drop some words and grumbles here and there, and then boom let the kids take it away. Honestly it was probably a masterwork of efficiency.
     
    ArchAIngel said:
    ...Well that was unexpected. Huh. I thought it would be obvious.

    Well, I now have Snazz Points, Thungni knows what that does. I'm very confused now.
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    Woltaire said:
    now soulcake will need to create a new system for snazz points
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    Nah, it's easy. You just wait til Snorri is making armour or a cape or something and offer up a snazz point. What that does is nothing mechanically, it just means Snorri makes it that much snazzier.

    Might be making a Dragonhide cape and your snazz point means he gives it a flaring collar for intimidation purposes. Or maybe he's making a helmet and for whatever reason the eyeholes somehow turn out having an orange look to it making them seem like sunglasses.
     
    ArchAIngel said:
    Idle musing: The Rule of Pride may be, in this era, a Progressive notion.

    No, seriously. Think about it. Dawi are all about TRADITION. And DOING THINGS THE SAME WAY. They're going to try to advance, yes, but slowly, carefully, and with deep concern.

    The Rule of Pride literally forces them to not do that. By interpretation as of now, the fact you HAVE to make New Shit frequently and often, by Dawi standards, forces you to progress. Quite hard.

    In canon they're so degraded it's ruinous, yes, but in this era it's ultimately a boon as there's enough Runes you don't have to painstakingly research each and every last new one by digging it up from the corpses of old lore.
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    soulcake said:
    Well thats a take. Its easy to see Dwarf politics fall along our own sensibilities, but a Conservative Runesmith is just a Runesmith who fervently adheres to the Rules Thungni *laid out* so to speak ( by which I mean, the codified interpretation of his earliest apprentices).

    The ultimate twist, Thungi was so smart he used the Dwarf's innate Conservatism to introduce and promote Progressivism. That's a really neat take and I'll be forthright in my admittance that it's not something I considered when discussing the differences between a Radical and Conservative Runesmith, the more I think on it the more memetic and neat it becomes frankly. So that's a whopping +4 Snazz points for you.


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    It's like that one fanfic about how the Rule of Two could possibly have ensured the continuation of the Sith over such a long period of time, except in reverse.
     
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