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Madoka actively weakens homura's emotional defenses having Madoka their will make things worse no matter how you plan on telling her.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Explain in more detail, please, because that's unbelievably difficult for me to believe.
Madoka's word carries more weight to Homura. Homura will believe Madoka more readily than she will us. And Madoka is guaranteed to support Homura and help her deal with her issues. It's what she does. I believe that having Madoka there to comfort Homura will make this almost a non-issue.
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Sorry for interrupting, but how sure are we Homura currently has such a perspective.
I mean, sure, she had it at the end of the series, but that was after another time of once again failing to get help for Walpurgis.
Sayak had witched (again), and she just lost Kyouko again, what happened to Mami I do not need to say and QB QBed that revelation in the worst possible manner.
Like, she may think everything in a loop somewhat her responsibility? Not that she (openly - even to herself) cares, but seeing how any chance for things going better comes from her alone (because, again, timeloop) then seeing her efforts fail so badly (again)...
Maybe it is less about the potentialbomb, and more about her being judged mockingly and generally badly by someone who comes the closest to knowing what her personal odyssey is?
She does not have the best self-esteem (I do not know how much of an understatement that is), so having the kyubster shit talk her, while knowing what she has been doing for the last 12 or so years, even if it is QB, the words make sense to her, as they simply give shape to these... unformed thoughts of failure in the back of her mind.
The last decade of failure was shoved into her face, and she was not actually sure that she could actually win or make things better,
so she cracks, as this doubt at the back of her mind got something to aggressively latch onto and tell her what she still tells herself from back when she was saved by Mado and Mami in preloop TL: how useless and worthless she (tells herself she) is.
The Homumom jokes may actually help her (if played seriously), as it would give her something real to show her how her failures did in fact lead to something good, her efforts were not stupid or worthless or useless, they led to Sabrina, is that not quite an achievement, birthing (in the poetical sense) the best Puella in the world, someone completely unique, an achievement of her efforts and the character of the one she holds most dear
the italiced stuff above is to be more of an internal dialogue of homu how she would (don't know, I do not people that good) emotionally react in a better case scenario
Sayak had witched (again), and she just lost Kyouko again, what happened to Mami I do not need to say and QB QBed that revelation in the worst possible manner.
Like, she may think everything in a loop somewhat her responsibility? Not that she (openly - even to herself) cares, but seeing how any chance for things going better comes from her alone (because, again, timeloop) then seeing her efforts fail so badly (again)...
Maybe it is less about the potentialbomb, and more about her being judged mockingly and generally badly by someone who comes the closest to knowing what her personal odyssey is?
She does not have the best self-esteem (I do not know how much of an understatement that is), so having the kyubster shit talk her, while knowing what she has been doing for the last 12 or so years, even if it is QB, the words make sense to her, as they simply give shape to these... unformed thoughts of failure in the back of her mind.
The last decade of failure was shoved into her face, and she was not actually sure that she could actually win or make things better,
so she cracks, as this doubt at the back of her mind got something to aggressively latch onto and tell her what she still tells herself from back when she was saved by Mado and Mami in preloop TL: how useless and worthless she (tells herself she) is.
The Homumom jokes may actually help her (if played seriously), as it would give her something real to show her how her failures did in fact lead to something good, her efforts were not stupid or worthless or useless, they led to Sabrina, is that not quite an achievement, birthing (in the poetical sense) the best Puella in the world, someone completely unique, an achievement of her efforts and the character of the one she holds most dear
the italiced stuff above is to be more of an internal dialogue of homu how she would (don't know, I do not people that good) emotionally react in a better case scenario
Before I forget, before the potentialbomb gets dropped, we may need to think about telling Homura that she is actually capable to succeed on her own, even if the odds are massively worse without the power of friendshiptm
and that she is strong enough to (be capable of) protect(ing) madoka in fact.
And maybe even that every wish gets granted to the spirit and letter, so she can rest safely that she is actually capable of doing this.
That alone may help her immensely, as she (I think) does not know the whole "every wish does get granted period" part and may merely think it being a scam with useful side effects she uses for her mission.
fake edit: sorry for the scatteredness, my thoughts jump hither and ho at the best of times and waiting leads to me convincing myself to rather not say a word, as you all have this rather well in hand
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A warrior fights in a war,
Comes home to fine his family dead,
is informed in great detail while in the same room with their rotting bodies that they were brutally tortured because said warrior choose to fight,
currently is seeing a image of the family member that is telling him that everything is ok now that their is no need to grieve.
Tell me how you think this is going to go for poor said warrior?
Higure
Witch of Faith
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Alright, just...are we sure we shouldn't do this after we have a bit more info?
For example: After we determine whether or not a Madowish is a guaranteed Witchout.
Not for the purpose of telling Homura Madoka should Wish, but so that, maybe, we can tell her that the only difference here is how powerful the results will be. Hell, imagine if we could tell Homura that, because of her Loops, Madoka has enough Potential to, for example, Wish to never Witch Out or die of unnatural causes.
Would make it a LOT less painful.
For example: After we determine whether or not a Madowish is a guaranteed Witchout.
Not for the purpose of telling Homura Madoka should Wish, but so that, maybe, we can tell her that the only difference here is how powerful the results will be. Hell, imagine if we could tell Homura that, because of her Loops, Madoka has enough Potential to, for example, Wish to never Witch Out or die of unnatural causes.
Would make it a LOT less painful.
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We could have done that and I distinctly remember us being slightly below madoka in potential (could not find it currently edit: did not find it, but the strength of our witch could be indicative? will keep looking a tiny bit longer)
edit: spoilered for size
bolding mine
on the facetanking:
on Madokas potential:
edit 2: the search function is being weird to me, anyone know the chances of getting a word of firn for the relative size of Madokas and Sabrinas potential?
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Unrelated, do remember that Oriko gave an explicitwarning not to let Homura know.
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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Thiiiiis is what we call a giant neon flashing warning sign.
The GM is specifically reminding people what the precognitive character warned us not to tell Homura.
[X] Do not drop potentialbomb.
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I will explicitly note that she never said exactly what to not let her know, that others brought concerns forth that it is not in fact the potentialbomb and
Firn just now did not name the potentialbomb by name.
Firn just now did not name the potentialbomb by name.
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[X]GodwinBrina
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
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- Philippines
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Not to let Homura know what?
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[X]GodwinBrina
Recurrence
Armchair Parapsychologist
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- Limbo
Well, this is probably a very good reason we should about face and gracefully exit the conversation. Though we probably want to vote for more than just one thing we don't want to do.
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Erg. I hate arguing with QMs, since your interpretation obviously overides mine, but I have to admit I'm very confused.
The quote in question is:
And, well... How can we possibly stop the Incubator from telling Homura something, short of stalking her constantly and destroying it whenever it shows up, like she does for Madoka?
(Actually, even that won't work - QB has a telepathy relay to Homura, and unlike making a contract, it can potentialbomb without being personally present.)
Even if we don't actually share the information, the only way I can see of protecting Homura is informing her that the Incubator has knowledge that can hurt her, and to not listen to it.
But with a QM hint like that... what am I missing?
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Okay. Given the "gentle" hint that we shouldn't tell Homura the bomb, even trying to soften it as much as possible in a great variety of ways...
We need to minimize the chances she listens to QB about it, instead. If we just exit the conversation, we've made no progress on stopping the actual prophecy:
At absolute minimum, I'd like to communicate that QB has information that is an infohazard to her, and that she shouldn't listen to it.
Does this seem reasonable?
We need to minimize the chances she listens to QB about it, instead. If we just exit the conversation, we've made no progress on stopping the actual prophecy:
At absolute minimum, I'd like to communicate that QB has information that is an infohazard to her, and that she shouldn't listen to it.
Does this seem reasonable?
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Vote draft, from scratch:
[ ] The nature of your "knowledge" is difficult to communicate, but... there's some information you have, that couldn't have come from any of the loops Homura experienced.
-[ ] For example: Homura's time travel. As far as you're aware, it operates on the same rules for sharing as her timestop - anyone touching her is brought along.
-[ ] One such piece of knowledge, that you don't believe originates in a past experience of her's, is that there is a certain piece of information that the Incubator can tell Homura Akemi, even one with many loops of experience, that will make her despair.
--[ ] Please don't talk to the bunnycat, Homura.
As a side bonus, this also mitigates Rebellion!
[ ] The nature of your "knowledge" is difficult to communicate, but... there's some information you have, that couldn't have come from any of the loops Homura experienced.
-[ ] For example: Homura's time travel. As far as you're aware, it operates on the same rules for sharing as her timestop - anyone touching her is brought along.
-[ ] One such piece of knowledge, that you don't believe originates in a past experience of her's, is that there is a certain piece of information that the Incubator can tell Homura Akemi, even one with many loops of experience, that will make her despair.
--[ ] Please don't talk to the bunnycat, Homura.
As a side bonus, this also mitigates Rebellion!
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for that last line, it feels a little "lacking" in terms of actual prevention.
There is something to be said about trusting her not to do that, but... she did in the series, so why not
-- [ ] if it tries to talk, shoot in on sight, or whatever you must to keep it from getting even a word in
By the way, we need to tell Sayaka and Madoka about his infinite respawn for ^ that (mine) to be reasonable
is that somewhat a valid alternative?
There is something to be said about trusting her not to do that, but... she did in the series, so why not
-- [ ] if it tries to talk, shoot in on sight, or whatever you must to keep it from getting even a word in
By the way, we need to tell Sayaka and Madoka about his infinite respawn for ^ that (mine) to be reasonable
is that somewhat a valid alternative?
Madou Sutegobana
Autocorrupt has been disabled.
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-[ ] Ask Homura if we can hypnotise her into believing Kyuubey only speaks Klingon.
Tokio Funka is crazy town and Tokio Funka never sleeps all night.
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Wait, Is this speculation or fact?
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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Sayaka would have to do it, but it's a potentially valid approach.
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It's factual in Homura's Revenge, and the mechanics in use in that story have been confirmed as canon to PMAS by Firnagzen.
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I think it comes from the non canon Homuras Revenge ... manga?
but
unless there was one I missed where he said more, it should be characterization and the rest is (FAICT) speculation