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Nyarky said:
They're thinking in infinite for the universe, not for earth.

They have other planets and don't need to sustain any single one indefinitely, because they can simply find new ones when one runs out.

That's why they are more than happy sacrificing earth, it's already on the schedule anyway.
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They do explicitly state that species with Wish capabilities are rare in the Universe. And since they are emotionless automatons, uptake in terms of resources would cost basically nothing, manipulating people is free action basically. Hence why...

they don't want us to become an interplanetary empire.
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...looks to me like the actual reason of not bothering with it. If they believe other species might threaten them somehow, letting them die or even wiping them out on purpose is much more believable motivation.
 
ExploerTM said:
They do explicitly state that species with Wish capabilities are rare in the Universe.
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They don't state this.

They state that Species with basically all members being emotional is rare, but in no way does that preclude species with a lower percentage of emotional member they can exploit.

Also, even the incubators have emotional members, and they exploit it like all the rest, Kyubey tells as much himself.

And one thing about being rare:

The thing about big numbers is that it can completely throw our intuition out of whack, planets with as high a percent of emotional actors as earth could represent 1 out of one million of the planets they found, but if they have even just 10 billion of planets (which, they operate on universal scale, they probably have way more) then they still have 10 thousands such planets.

That's before going into the fact that *rare* is a subjective word and thus Kyubey could well have been telling that only 1 out of 5 planets have that, can you imagine, that's not the majority so clearly it is *rare*.

And don't say he wouldn't use the term if it was that likely, his entire M.O is based around using that kind of false assumptions.
 
Gadjo said:
@strange_person look dude, if there's one thing the original show is extremely clear on, it's that you can't trust Kyubey. You can't wheel and deal with Kyubey. There is no benefit to doing some bootstrap timestop bullshit in order to try and satiate his bottomless greed, and the QM already said the timestop bullshit simply wasn't allowed, which means you can't possibly offer him shit anyway. Drop it, you're getting nowhere.
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I have dropped it, said so back here:
strange_person said:
I'll keep reading, I trust Firn to have a better idea how things ought to be resolved.
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Could you, in turn, please acknowledge why I might at least instinctively flinch at something resembling "merchants will always betray you, it's in their nature, there's no point making even short-term deals with those foreigners, just reform your team's old religion and kill them all as soon as you get the chance" being presented as a moral message?
 
strange_person said:
Could you, in turn, please acknowledge why I might at least instinctively flinch at something resembling "merchants will always betray you, it's in their nature, there's no point making even short-term deals with those foreigners, just reform your team's old religion and kill them all as soon as you get the chance" being presented as a moral message?
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That's absolutely not the message being presented. I think your mistake here is seeing Kyubey as a merchant. That would imply he's here to sell things. He's not. He's a representative of a foreign, extremely higher tech civ than us here to extract resources from our people until we cease to be useful, then leave us to die. It would be closer to consider him a representative of an imperial power, here to take your resources, then leave you in poverty. (except this time the poverty is being eaten by a mega witch) And across world history, there is no guy you can trust less than the guy who's here for your oil (or souls).

You're seeing this as "greedy minority merchant can't be trusted" instead of the more accurate "This guy's from the space east india company and you should probably throw him into the ocean before he does further damage to your people for his own benefit"

Tbh at this point it reads as willful misinterpretation that you're taking "Hey this particular alien is a bastard who the show shows is a bastard who's here to collect your souls for batteries is our enemy because we are categorically opposed to his system of resource extraction" and going "ah, so you think we should kill all the xenos." It's such a leap of logic I'd call it a strawman.
 
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strange_person said:
Could you, in turn, please acknowledge why I might at least instinctively flinch at something resembling "merchants will always betray you, it's in their nature, there's no point making even short-term deals with those foreigners, just reform your team's old religion and kill them all as soon as you get the chance" being presented as a moral message?
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Putting on my threadrunner hat for a moment: Kindly stop making strawman arguments. That is not the argument being made.
 
berani00 said:
Um, what was the argument being made to begin with?
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That the being that explicitly thinks of people as its chattel that it slaughters to fulfill its quota can't be bribed to ignore a pay-off larger than the entire projected lifespan of its slaughterhouse multiple times over. (Especially not by way of actively interfering in its business and calling that a pay-off.)
 
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    • strange_person said:
    I have dropped it, said so back here:

    Could you, in turn, please acknowledge why I might at least instinctively flinch at something resembling "merchants will always betray you, it's in their nature, there's no point making even short-term deals with those foreigners, just reform your team's old religion and kill them all as soon as you get the chance" being presented as a moral message?
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    • [Joke] Ask if Parro would mind her team being the first villain in the Mecha Gurren Zilla Lagann movie.
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    [Joke] Ask if Parro would mind her team being the first villain in the Mecha Gurren Zilla Lagann movie.
    - attempt to explain Mecha Gurren Zilla Lagann
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    No, don't explain it. Demonstrate it. Show her that, for all that we totally wrecked their team, we were still holding back massively.

    That, and it's an excuse for making that again.

    Edit: Also, I'm glad not to be involved in the argument that sparked a mod post.
     
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    Honestly the idea if stopping time to farm grief just sound horribly mind numbing, I dont think Homura would even be desperate enough to do it.

    I really wish we could have a chance ti see the alien species from which that alien witch came from, the concept its just cool to me.



    ... On other news...

    You know I sometimes hate how curious I can get, Nerevar being banned was very strange for me since it seemed to come outta nowhere. Then I remembered that I saw Nerevar had an QQ account (The site has a suprising amount of creative stories and quests) and decided to see if I could find anything about the ban there.

    Needless to say I am now dissapointed and kinda sad by what I read. Today has just been flipping sad day for me man.
     
    Lopezelpesado said:
    Honestly the idea if stopping time to farm grief just sound horribly mind numbing, I dont think Homura would even be desperate enough to do it.
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    The great time stop hunt is pretty much the limit of how long we're willing to go, and I don't even think we're willing to go that far again.

    Lopezelpesado said:
    You know I sometimes hate how curious I can get, Nerevar being banned was very strange for me since it seemed to come outta nowhere. Then I remembered that I saw Nerevar had an QQ account (The site has a suprising amount of creative stories and quests) and decided to see if I could find anything about the ban there.
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    There's no need to wade through there. My limited experience is that an out of the blue ban of a quester that seems to be in good standing comes from either another quest, or political threads (unsurprisingly). I'm pretty sure I found the SV thread that was the nail in the coffin. I don't wish to derail this thread with discussion about it by posting the link here, but if you want to know please PM me.
     
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    So, I was reading around cause why not, and
    apparently og timeline Souju Witch can just, actively decide to become a Witch that doesn't drop a Grief Seed out of sheer spite and nothing else. Comical. Real hater grindset.
     
    Lopezelpesado said:
    Wait so it like, self destructs? How da hell did it do that?
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    It just apparently doesn't drop from what I heard, and they are just built funny, I guess.
    Could be me reading a bad translation though, but there is 100% some fate shenanigans with them and their Witch going on somewhere in there.

    By the way, on the topic of wacky shenanigans, any of you read Null Magica? PMMM Novel that came out in back 2021. Absolute complete and total wild thing.

    In March 2021, the world continues to face the aftermath of the COVID pandemic. The story centers Kosane Kiriha, a 24-year-old graduate student whose life is on a downward trajectory. Due to COVID, She expects to be hopelessly unemployed when she graduates. In the wake of a head injury, Kosane Kiriha discovers she has no brain. Shortly afterwards, Kyubey appears before her and reveals the spacetime continuum is collapsing around her.

    Guided by a mysterious letter found in her head, Kosane and Kyubey travel 800,000 years into the future. There, they encounter Homo magica, a species comprised only of Magical Girls.

    Haunted by the voice of her still-born twin sister, Kosane flees back to the present and learns that the year 2021 is a "closed-room" which she can't escape. As she struggles against fate, she discovers the evolutionary history of humankind and magical girls, the nature of magic, the will of the universe, and the origin of the soul.
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    They cooked up something wacky here. Local literally brainless girl somehow surpasses both Ultimate Mado and Devil Homu via weird time related tomfoolery and other odd things, more at 11.
     
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    Junkoposter said:
    So, I was reading around cause why not, and
    apparently og timeline Souju Witch can just, actively decide to become a Witch that doesn't drop a Grief Seed out of sheer spite and nothing else. Comical. Real hater grindset.
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    To preface, my knowledge of the various series is limited, but so far as I'm aware, the only other time a Witch canonically and explicitly does not drop a Grief Seed is when Kyoko detonates her own soul gem to take out Sayaka's Witch(and send a big "F--- YOU" to Kyuubey). It could be that having two souls so closely linked as in the case of the Soujous led to their Grief Seeds failing to form properly.
     
    Speaking on unique, found an interesting magical girl from Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobage, an old gacha game that came out a bit after the og show ended.

    Elise fights with summoning magic, in the shape of clouds (resembling Charlotte). Her personality makes her very well-liked. She became a magical girl to help her parents deal with the grief they had over the death of her younger twin sister, who also used to be a magical girl that turned into a witch. Her unique magic is "Witch Exchange", allowing her to turn a Witch back into magical girl, with the cost of her turning into a Witch herself.
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    Is pretty neato. Rest of her Meguca group is pretty standard power-wise as far as meguca's go, but more gals are more gals. Fun times.
     
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    Junkoposter said:
    Speaking on unique, found an interesting magical girl from Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobage, an old gacha game that came out a bit after the og show ended.





    Is pretty neato. Rest of her Meguca group is pretty standard power-wise as far as meguca's go, but more gals are more gals. Fun times.
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    Not sure how canon she is in quest. It aint Reco but I dont think she exists here... Maybe.

    But if she did... If we could observe her magic in work it could be incredible in de witching efforts... But I dont think sabrina would let her turn herself into a witch.

    Also I really like her hat....
     
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    Lopezelpesado said:
    Not sure how canon she is in quest. It aint Reco but I dont think she exists here... Maybe.

    But if she did... If we could observe her magic in work it could be incredible in de witching efforts... But I dont think sabrina would let her turn herself into a witch.

    Also I really like her hat....
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    From what I can tell they are just a random group of Meguca, nothing that really interrupts canon there.

    Also yeah, cute hat. Looks kinda like Walp's head, which may lead to some implications somewhere.
     
    Wait, how did she figure out what her Unique Magic is? Because that sounds like a one-time deal. Does she think she's the only Magical Girl without a special power?
     
    Speaking of things that aren't canon to this quest, this MagiReco side story would actually explain a lot about why Homura is so insistent on keeping Madoka in the dark instead of warning her about the Witchbomb. She tries telling her the whole truth in an early timeline, and the very next time Madoka sees a Witch, she immediately wishes for it to turn back into a girl.
     
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