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Yeah, pretty sure since it would go off of the spirit of the wish, she would get the powers of a witch as described in her universe, and when/if she Witched out, her Witch would be themed off of the normal idea of witches, probably with familiars that were ravens, black cats and the like. There would be potions, magic circles and all that in the barrier, which would probably consist of something like the magical academy she attended, or a witches hut.The witch would be called Baba Yaga and have ruby eyes or something like that, and have a caldron and other stuff associated with mythological witches.
 
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How would this actually turn out, though?

Witch-form is supposed to be an inversion, an expression of the despair that mirrors the hope of the wish.

However, acting or existing in a way that is aligned to your wish magic is as close as you can get to an actual free lunch, as the hope of your wish's magic directly supplements your own magical exertions.

Would her magical girl form be an idealized, freehearted, optimistic, classical witch of fantasy and adventure? Would she cast from grief points?

Would her witch form be a jaded, hardnosed, utilitarian, cynical, postmodern magical girl of mundanity and beuracracy? Would she cast from hope points?
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She'd probably just be what she thinks a witch should be. She likely has no knowledge of the eldritch horror coobs calls witches and thus her wish wouldn't reflect them.
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Now I'm wondering how it would go if someone who knew about guca witches wished to be one.
 
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I feel like the wishes aren't genie witches, so that would result in something better than a normal witch's state, but I can't see that being without plenty of downsides. Like maybe she is sane-ish, but needs to eat people/other witches to disperse grief she creates to maintain her mood. Probably more sheer power and Soulgem(?) capacity? Probably not too dissimilar from wishing to be a magical girl who could never turn into a witch actually. This would allow her access to some witch power, but leave her vulnerable to going crazy on a longer term without sufficient grief dissipation, as opposed to the 'never witch' girl, who might lack specifically strong powers, but might not really run out of strength, or might just lose magical powers while her gem is full, since it can't take in any more grief.
 
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AionVal said:
I like to imagine that it works like in Kampfer. You can be a man and contract with Kyuubey, but the moment you transform you turn into a girl. Might be temporary, might be permanent; who knows?:V
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I'm pretty sure this is how'd work, if there were an extenuating circumstance where he did make a contract with a guy-- or it'd happen the moment the contract was actualized, just because Puella Magi are a kind of standardized template that their magic/potential fills. Kazumi (the other one) was a construct created with recycled elements of a Witch and the Pleiades Saints' magic, but she had a soul, and was able to form a contract: She wished to become a real human being. Before actually accepting it, Kyuubey warned her that such a Wish would be redundant, because the moment the contract was completed, she would stop being a human as she became a Puella Magi (with a standard Soul Gem et. al.)
 
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I'm pretty sure this is how'd work, if there were an extenuating circumstance where he did make a contract with a guy-- or it'd happen the moment the contract was actualized, just because Puella Magi are a kind of standardized template that their magic/potential fills. Kazumi (the other one) was a construct created with recycled elements of a Witch and the Pleiades Saints' magic, but she had a soul, and was able to form a contract: She wished to become a real human being. Before actually accepting it, Kyuubey warned her that such a Wish would be redundant, because the moment the contract was completed, she would stop being a human as she became a Puella Magi (with a standard Soul Gem et. al.)
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It pains me to argue against something working like Kämpfer, but Kazumi replacing her witchstuff with flesh doesn't imply that assigned male meguca would automatically get any anatomical changes.
 
Always Happening said:
I'm pretty sure this is how'd work, if there were an extenuating circumstance where he did make a contract with a guy-- or it'd happen the moment the contract was actualized, just because Puella Magi are a kind of standardized template that their magic/potential fills. Kazumi (the other one) was a construct created with recycled elements of a Witch and the Pleiades Saints' magic, but she had a soul, and was able to form a contract: She wished to become a real human being. Before actually accepting it, Kyuubey warned her that such a Wish would be redundant, because the moment the contract was completed, she would stop being a human as she became a Puella Magi (with a standard Soul Gem et. al.)
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Torgamous said:
It pains me to argue against something working like Kämpfer, but Kazumi replacing her witchstuff with flesh doesn't imply that assigned male meguca would automatically get any anatomical changes.
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Maybe it goes off of the soul's self ideation?
Boys who get offered contracts only are chosen because magic already sees them as a girl, and then retroactive causality warping occurs to make their personal timeline fit to them having always being a girl.

As an aside, what happens to magical girls who make a meme wish?
 
Torgamous said:
It pains me to argue against something working like Kämpfer, but Kazumi replacing her witchstuff with flesh doesn't imply that assigned male meguca would automatically get any anatomical changes.
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What I'm suggesting is that while Puella Magi are massively diverse in every other way, there are a number of common traits that they all share that define what a Puella Magi is, which are applied as part of the process of extracting the soul as a Soul Gem and turning a human into a Puella Magi. If one of those traits is 'is biologically female', then that'd be applied as part of the template, irrespective of the human's original sex/gender. For the sake of example, a girl who wished to be a boy could be making a redundant wish the same way that Kazumi did, in that she'd just become a girl again once transformed into a Puella Magi (possible shapeshifting magic aside).
 
Always Happening said:
What I'm suggesting is that while Puella Magi are massively diverse in every other way, there are a number of common traits that they all share that define what a Puella Magi is, which are applied as part of the process of extracting the soul as a Soul Gem and turning a human into a Puella Magi. If one of those traits is 'is biologically female', then that'd be applied as part of the template, irrespective of the human's original sex/gender. For the sake of example, a girl who wished to be a boy could be making a redundant wish the same way that Kazumi did, in that she'd just become a girl again once transformed into a Puella Magi (possible shapeshifting magic aside).
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1. "biologically female" isn't a thing. Just, please don't.
2. A girl who wished to be a boy was never a girl to begin with. It's like the Wizard of Oz with the lion wishing to be brave. You're describing a trans boy. Use he.
Menthewarp said:
Maybe it goes off of the soul's self ideation?
Boys
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Likewise, boys with the self ideation of girls are not boys.
 
In that case, I don't know how to articulate/clarify what I mean without offending you, and I'm in no position in terms of physical or mental health right now to be feeling like I'm treading on thin ice trying to do so, so I'll bow out.
 
Odd comparison, but we never see anyone who wished to become dragons, cats, etc. I think that Kyubey doesn't contract anyone wishing to be something other than a magical girl, meaning that any trans men in the population would have had to have figured it out after making their wish, or would have had a wish they felt was more important than magic transitioning.
 
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Torgamous said:
1. "biologically female" isn't a thing. Just, please don't.
2. A girl who wished to be a boy was never a girl to begin with. It's like the Wizard of Oz with the lion wishing to be brave. You're describing a trans boy. Use he.

Likewise, boys with the self ideation of girls are not boys.
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Always Happening said:
In that case, I don't know how to articulate/clarify what I mean without offending you, and I'm in no position in terms of physical or mental health right now to be feeling like I'm treading on thin ice trying to do so, so I'll bow out.
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magical girlsenpais pls. I'm a ice fairy attack helicopter. Let us all be mostly people, humans, and ice fairy with illogical Knowledge of guns pls.
 
Hang on.

If that example of "I wish to be a real human" is redundant because the wish takes effect first, followed by the magical girl conversion process, isn't that proof that Wish Magic is inherently lethal, and Kyuubi is interrupting the death-by-powering-a-wish by capturing the soul with a portion of the Wish Magic energy and shoving it into a soul gem while Kyuubi uses hyper tech and Effector Fields to convert the corpse into a remote-controllable homonculus?

And that Madokami was never a magical girl because her Wish stole her away from Kyuubi before the Soul Gem process could be completed?
 
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Menthewarp said:
And that Madokami was never a magical girl because her Wish stole her away from Kyuubi before the Soul Gem process could be completed?
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Madoka became the ultimate witch - Kriemhild Gretchen and managed to defeat her own witch somehow, so she has gone through the whole cycle. I know this segment of the show was directly followed by a much more riveting scene of Naked Space Hugs with HomuHomu but still.
 
eduard said:
Madoka became the ultimate witch - Kriemhild Gretchen and managed to defeat her own witch somehow, so she has gone through the whole cycle. I know this segment of the show was directly followed by a much more riveting scene of Naked Space Hugs with HomuHomu but still.
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Witches had to already be able to exist for the Incubators to discover them as a magical phenomenon that could be farmed by creating the Contract system, so I would still argue that Madokami did, indeed, escape being Soul Gemmed while still creating the potential for her Witch to exist.

Thinking about it, it seems that killing your own witch is functionally identical to killing your present-bound existence as a superego-ego-id self, and replacing it with a future hoped-for pure self, so Madoka being deleted from the local causal light cone by being replaced with Madokami is a reasonable translation of events.
 
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Ice fairy said:
magical girlsenpais pls. I'm a ice fairy attack helicopter. Let us all be mostly people, humans, and ice fairy with illogical Knowledge of guns pls.
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I don't think you're intentionally being hurtful, but for the record, "attack helicopter" is a well-established transphobic dogwhistle and I would very strongly encourage you not to use it. (It's also against SV's Rules.)
 
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I have a confession to make. I am not a clever guy.

So with that out of the way, does anyone have a good writeup to link me to that goes into what Rebellion was about? Watched it twice but couldn't make much sense of it even if someone held me at gunpoint :???:

(The ending of regular Madoka Magica made sense to me, so got that covered at least).
 
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    Ice fairy said:
    magical girlsenpais pls. I'm a ice fairy attack helicopter. Let us all be mostly people, humans, and ice fairy with illogical Knowledge of guns pls.
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    There should no longer be any mystery as to the transphobia inherent in the "attack helicopter" quote-unquote "joke", nor surprise that portraying genders outside the male-female binary as something to be discarded as "a joke" or "people making things up" is hurtful and accordingly a violation of Rule 2: Don't Be Hateful. As such, you have received 25 points and a three-day threadban.

    Thank you for your time, and please have a pleasant day~
     
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    I have a confession to make. I am not a clever guy.

    So with that out of the way, does anyone have a good writeup to link me to that goes into what Rebellion was about? Watched it twice but couldn't make much sense of it even if someone held me at gunpoint :???:

    (The ending of regular Madoka Magica made sense to me, so got that covered at least).
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    Well these might help

    imagakblog.wordpress.com

    Suspended in Dreams on the Mitakihara Loop Line – A Nietzschean Reading of Madoka Magica: Rebellion Story

    “…to experience is to invent…” – DB 119 The first time I saw Rebellion was in a movie theater in December of 2013. I had a pretty intense emotional reaction to the end…
    imagakblog.wordpress.com imagakblog.wordpress.com

    liquidcitrus | Trauma Psychology and PMMM: Rebellion

    liquidcitrus.dreamwidth.org liquidcitrus.dreamwidth.org

    Runes:Rebellion - Puella Magi Wiki

    wiki.puella-magi.net wiki.puella-magi.net

    Rebellion Material Book - Puella Magi Wiki

    wiki.puella-magi.net wiki.puella-magi.net
     
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