The intent of a wish is generally much more important than the exact wording.
To an extent: For example, Sayaka wished Kyousuke could be healed and play the violin again or something along those lines, we don't know the exact words. What we do know is not only did his hands start working again but he was immediately able to go back to playing on a level that should have been impossible just from all the time away from practice. So, her intent behind the healing, that he could go back to doing the things he loved, was honored above and beyond just physical recovery. However, her secondary intent, so that the two of them could get together (which was not her main motivation but was probably a motivation), wasn't included in the effects.

Still, it does seem like the wish system is not a malicious literal genie, it will try to give you what you're asking for. The real issue is knowing your own desires and the cost of the wish.
 
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Depends on what the joke is.

Like, the situation likely calls for a Meguca not believing she needs the Wish card to get what she wants. Like, have you ever been asked "if you could wish for anything, what would you wish for?" only to answer "a blue banana"?

It either comes to a massive regret from a missed opportunity or a reaffirmation that she can accomplish things on her own and doesn't really need reality-bending powers to become, I dunno, an acclaimed actress or a chef or a quantum physicist.

Let's be real tho, probably "I was such a fool" levels of regret.
 
Depends on what the joke is.
Like, the situation likely calls for a Meguca not believing she needs the Wish card to get what she wants. Like, have you ever been asked "if you could wish for anything, what would you wish for?" only to answer "a blue banana"?
It either comes to a massive regret from a missed opportunity or a reaffirmation that she can accomplish things on her own and doesn't really need reality-bending powers to become, I dunno, an acclaimed actress or a chef or a quantum physicist.
Let's be real tho, probably "I was such a fool" levels of regret.
Isn't that Word of God Nagisa/Charlotte's backstory? That she was offered a wish while her mom was dying of cancer, didn't believe the Wish could really give her anything she wanted and wished for a cheesecake? Whereupon, a cheesecake appeared, Kyubey let her know that was an odd wish to make when they could have cured her mom's cancer, and then she turned into a witch almost immediately.
 
Isn't that Word of God Nagisa/Charlotte's backstory? That she was offered a wish while her mom was dying of cancer, didn't believe the Wish could really give her anything she wanted and wished for a cheesecake? Whereupon, a cheesecake appeared, Kyubey let her know that was an odd wish to make when they could have cured her mom's cancer, and then she turned into a witch almost immediately.

A little bit different.

Believing you don't need a miracle.
And not believing in miracles.

There's a distinction.
 
Well, it's also worth noting I heard that ending was a last minute change they were pushed into so they could leave the series open to more sequels instead of having Homura ascend to heaven.
That's an oversimplification
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Initially, I was planning to end this story when Homura is reunited with Madoka. There would be the classic magical girl scenes in the beginning, and then the narrative in which the secret of the town would be revealed; that would drive the beginning and middle parts, and in the end there'd be the final showdown with Kyubey.

But I had a hard time deciding on the ending. Ending the story with Homura and Madoka being reunited wasn't really the best outcome. After all, the instant Homura encounters her, she'll be guided by the Law of Cycles, and disappear. Would that make her happy? It was also the director, Mr. Shinbo's opinion that the outcome of the TV series, "a human becoming a god" might be too heavy a fate for a girl in middle school to bear. Since that was the case, I decided to try to come up with a way to create a story in which Madoka could escape that outcome.

But I'd already ended this story once, so it was hard to figure out how to expand it. That was when Mr. Shinbo suggested, "How about a story with Homura confronting Madoka as an enemy?" I thought, if that's at all permissible, then I'd suddenly have all these options open to me, and that's how the current plot developed.


Now that I look back on it, I think it might have pushed the boundaries of the viewers' sense of morality. I'm sure there are people who view that as a "bad end," and there are probably also people who are more forgiving. I think it's an outcome that straddles that borderline. But people watch because they want to ponder whether the outcome is good or bad, so if they knew from the start that it was either a "happy end" or a "bad end", then there'd be no point in watching it in the first place. And if it's clearly a "bad end", then worse and worse things would occur, and if ten people saw it, all ten of them would be holding their heads in their hands. This film left enough room for interpretation, so it wasn't a "bad end". In that sense, I think it was the kind of film that allowed people to accept whichever outcome they liked — "happy" or "bad".
 
Well, whatever else, it's obviously not a happy ending for Homura.

There's an esoteric happy ending, and there's literally calling herself a devil and smiling like
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There are literally familiars running after her and throwing tomatoes at her how is that a happy ending
 
Well, whatever else, it's obviously not a happy ending for Homura.

There's an esoteric happy ending, and there's literally calling herself a devil and smiling like
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There are literally familiars running after her and throwing tomatoes at her how is that a happy ending
My thoughts exactly. That's what I'm fighting to avoid. Homura deserves a way better ending than this, even if she doesn't believe that.
 
Well, whatever else, it's obviously not a happy ending for Homura.

There's an esoteric happy ending, and there's literally calling herself a devil and smiling like
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There are literally familiars running after her and throwing tomatoes at her how is that a happy ending
Well Madoka is "safe" and all Homura has to do is keep betraying her to keep her safe. Frankly that's probably all the happiness Homura thought she'd wind up getting.
 
Well Madoka is "safe" and all Homura has to do is keep betraying her to keep her safe. Frankly that's probably all the happiness Homura thought she'd wind up getting.

Sooo, lesbian heaven with the love of her life doesn't cut anymore, huh

What would it have taken you to agree, Homura?
A huge-ass ramp so you could make sweet cartflips on it for eternity? A complimentary kotatsu from Madoka Memorabilia Gift Shop? A lifelong supply of cheese?

Anyway, I kinda...
Do these people want to ignore the constant look of existential suffering on Homura's face? The obviously crushed Madoka's body language like she's been kidnapped and knows it?

It was obviously not an ending, even less of a one than the original series. A sequel hook that no one picked up in six years, more like.
 
Anyway, I kinda...
Do these people want to ignore the constant look of existential suffering on Homura's face? The obviously crushed Madoka's body language like she's been kidnapped and knows it?

Protagonist Centered Audience Morality:

The protagonist achieved all listed objectives, acquired the designated waifu, lost no loved ones, utterly destroyed the designated plot enemy, eliminated all existential threats, and gained net profit in wealth and power from the adventure.
 
Isn't that Word of God Nagisa/Charlotte's backstory? That she was offered a wish while her mom was dying of cancer, didn't believe the Wish could really give her anything she wanted and wished for a cheesecake? Whereupon, a cheesecake appeared, Kyubey let her know that was an odd wish to make when they could have cured her mom's cancer, and then she turned into a witch almost immediately.
Not quite. I believe that was some of the early production stuff that Charlotte was based on, before they'd ever done anything with Nagisa. Magia Record, as ever, did their own spin on it.
 
Protagonist Centered Audience Morality:
I mean the same can be sorta said about Madoka.

She seems to think that a system that allows children to sell themselves into what is effectively a form of slavery, turning them into child soldier liches who are more often then not going to die young, a system which allows an eight-year-old to get herself killed via a wish for a cheesecake, is acceptable as long as there are no witches, and we are expected to agree with her.
 
I think I've read a fic somewhere where a no-name girl decades after Madoka's Wish ( before Rebellion was a thing ) has her friend die during a fight with those weird Wraith thingies and Wishes "No More Magic".
 
I really hope the 4th movie doesn't go in the "no more magic" direction you guys are talking about. I am not a big fan of "the magic goes away" endings.

However, her secondary intent, so that the two of them could get together (which was not her main motivation but was probably a motivation), wasn't included in the effects.

I think it's useful to note here that Sayaka probably wouldn't want the wish to manipulate him like that. Brainwashing someone with a wish isn't something someone as ethical as Sayaka would do and she was trying really hard to convince herself that the wish was purely benevolent and any benefit she got from it was purely incidental.
 
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